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Historic go-ahead for malaria vaccine to protect African children
After years of trials, the vaccine has shown potential to save tens of thousands of children's lives.
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Children across much of Africa are to be vaccinated against malaria in a historic moment in the fight against the deadly disease.
Malaria has been one of the biggest scourges on humanity for millennia and mostly kills babies and infants.
Having a vaccine - after more than a century of trying - is among medicine's greatest achievements.
The vaccine - called RTS,S - was proven effective six years ago.
Now, after the success of pilot immunisation programmes in Ghana, Kenya and Malawi, the World Health Organization says the vaccine should be rolled out across sub-Saharan Africa and in other regions with moderate to high malaria transmission.
Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the WHO, said it was "a historic moment".
"The long-awaited malaria vaccine for children is a breakthrough for science, child health and malaria control," he said. "[It] could save tens of thousands of young lives each year."
Media caption,WHO head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus: "Today is a historic day"
Drugs to kill the parasite, bed-nets to prevent bites and insecticides to kill the mosquito have all helped reduce malaria.
But the greatest burden of the disease is felt in Africa, where more than 260,000 children died from the disease in 2019.
It takes years of being repeatedly infected to build up immunity and even this only reduces the chances of becoming severely ill.
Dr Kwame Amponsa-Achiano piloted the vaccine in Ghana to assess whether mass vaccination was feasible and effective.
"It is quite an exciting moment for us, with large scale vaccination I believe the malaria toll will be reduced to the barest minimum," he said.
Constantly catching malaria as a child inspired Dr Amponsa-Achiano to become a doctor in Ghana.
"It was distressing, almost every week you were out of school, malaria has taken a toll on us for a long time," he told me.
Trials, reported in 2015, showed the vaccine could prevent around four in 10 cases of malaria, three in 10 severe cases and lead to the number of children needing blood transfusions falling by a third.
However, there were doubts the vaccine would work in the real world as it requires four doses to be effective. The first three are given a month apart at five, six and seven months old, and a final booster is needed at around 18 months.
IMAGE SOURCE,BRIAN ONGORO
The findings of the pilots were discussed by two expert advisory groups at the WHO on Wednesday.
The results, from more than 2.3 million doses, showed:
"We've been looking for a malaria vaccine for over 100 years now, it will save lives and prevent disease in African children."
Malaria is caused by a parasite which is far more insidious and sophisticated than the virus that causes Covid. Comparing them is like comparing a person and a cabbage.
The malaria parasite has evolved to evade our immune system. That's why you have to catch malaria time and time again before starting to get even limited protection.
It has a complicated life cycle across two species (humans and mosquitoes), and even inside our body it morphs between different forms as it infects liver cells and red blood cells.
Developing a malaria vaccine is like nailing jelly to a wall and RTS,S is only able to target the sporozoite form of the parasite (this is the stage between being bitten by a mosquito and the parasite getting to the liver).
It is why the vaccine is 'only' 40% effective. However, this is still a remarkable success and paves the way for the development of yet more potent vaccines.
The vaccine, developed by the pharmaceutical giant GSK, is not going to replace all the other measures for controlling malaria such as insecticide-treated bed nets. It will be used alongside them to get closer to the goal of zero deaths from malaria.
And it won't be used outside of Africa where different forms of malaria, which the vaccine can't protect against, are more prevalent.
Dr Ashley Birkett, from the Path malaria vaccine initiative, said rolling out the vaccine was a "historic event" that would "take away fear" from families.
He told me: "Imagine your young child could be healthy one day and full of potential and then after the bite of an infected mosquito, while playing with friends or sleeping in a bed, they could be dead in a couple of weeks.
"Malaria is a huge problem, it's frightening and scary."
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Malaria has been one of the biggest scourges on humanity for millennia and mostly kills babies and infants.
Having a vaccine - after more than a century of trying - is among medicine's greatest achievements.
The vaccine - called RTS,S - was proven effective six years ago.
Now, after the success of pilot immunisation programmes in Ghana, Kenya and Malawi, the World Health Organization says the vaccine should be rolled out across sub-Saharan Africa and in other regions with moderate to high malaria transmission.
Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the WHO, said it was "a historic moment".
"The long-awaited malaria vaccine for children is a breakthrough for science, child health and malaria control," he said. "[It] could save tens of thousands of young lives each year."
Media caption,WHO head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus: "Today is a historic day"
Deadly parasite
Malaria is a parasite that invades and destroys our blood cells in order to reproduce, and it's spread by the bite of blood-sucking mosquitoes.Drugs to kill the parasite, bed-nets to prevent bites and insecticides to kill the mosquito have all helped reduce malaria.
But the greatest burden of the disease is felt in Africa, where more than 260,000 children died from the disease in 2019.
It takes years of being repeatedly infected to build up immunity and even this only reduces the chances of becoming severely ill.
Dr Kwame Amponsa-Achiano piloted the vaccine in Ghana to assess whether mass vaccination was feasible and effective.
"It is quite an exciting moment for us, with large scale vaccination I believe the malaria toll will be reduced to the barest minimum," he said.
Constantly catching malaria as a child inspired Dr Amponsa-Achiano to become a doctor in Ghana.
"It was distressing, almost every week you were out of school, malaria has taken a toll on us for a long time," he told me.
Saving children's lives
There are more than 100 types of malaria parasite. The RTS,S vaccine targets the one that is most deadly and most common in Africa: Plasmodium falciparum.Trials, reported in 2015, showed the vaccine could prevent around four in 10 cases of malaria, three in 10 severe cases and lead to the number of children needing blood transfusions falling by a third.
However, there were doubts the vaccine would work in the real world as it requires four doses to be effective. The first three are given a month apart at five, six and seven months old, and a final booster is needed at around 18 months.
IMAGE SOURCE,BRIAN ONGORO
The findings of the pilots were discussed by two expert advisory groups at the WHO on Wednesday.
The results, from more than 2.3 million doses, showed:
- the vaccine was safe and still led to a 30% reduction in severe malaria
- it reached more than two-thirds of children who don't have a bed-net to sleep under
- there was no negative impact on other routine vaccines or other measures to prevent malaria
- the vaccine was cost-effective
"We've been looking for a malaria vaccine for over 100 years now, it will save lives and prevent disease in African children."
Why is malaria so hard to beat?
Having just seen the world develop Covid vaccines in record time, you might be wondering why it has taken so long with malaria?Malaria is caused by a parasite which is far more insidious and sophisticated than the virus that causes Covid. Comparing them is like comparing a person and a cabbage.
The malaria parasite has evolved to evade our immune system. That's why you have to catch malaria time and time again before starting to get even limited protection.
It has a complicated life cycle across two species (humans and mosquitoes), and even inside our body it morphs between different forms as it infects liver cells and red blood cells.
Developing a malaria vaccine is like nailing jelly to a wall and RTS,S is only able to target the sporozoite form of the parasite (this is the stage between being bitten by a mosquito and the parasite getting to the liver).
It is why the vaccine is 'only' 40% effective. However, this is still a remarkable success and paves the way for the development of yet more potent vaccines.
The vaccine, developed by the pharmaceutical giant GSK, is not going to replace all the other measures for controlling malaria such as insecticide-treated bed nets. It will be used alongside them to get closer to the goal of zero deaths from malaria.
And it won't be used outside of Africa where different forms of malaria, which the vaccine can't protect against, are more prevalent.
Dr Ashley Birkett, from the Path malaria vaccine initiative, said rolling out the vaccine was a "historic event" that would "take away fear" from families.
He told me: "Imagine your young child could be healthy one day and full of potential and then after the bite of an infected mosquito, while playing with friends or sleeping in a bed, they could be dead in a couple of weeks.
"Malaria is a huge problem, it's frightening and scary."
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Wait a minute, so if Malaria is real and there's a vaccine to protect against it, and Polio was real and and there's a vaccine to protect against, and Smallpox was real and there's a vaccine to protect against it, maybe this Covid thing is real and there's a vaccine to protect us from that, too.
And using that line of reasoning, maybe Smoke Detectors aren't all that bad either.
And using that line of reasoning, maybe Smoke Detectors aren't all that bad either.
Ego_Shredder
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This should explain a few things about Polio and Big Pharma in general https://jchristoff.com/20-things-you-dont-know-about-polio-2/
Ego_Shredder
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To better understand the past 100 to 200 years, and whom and what the enemy has been during that time including in 2021, this ten part 12 hour documentary will explain a lot. It goes even deeper than that excellent documentary can cover, but its a good starting point for further exploration. Europa The Last Battle (Updated Version 2019)
WWLaidback
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Children across much of Africa are to be vaccinated against malaria in a historic moment in the fight against the deadly disease.
Malaria has been one of the biggest scourges on humanity for millennia and mostly kills babies and infants.
Having a vaccine - after more than a century of trying - is among medicine's greatest achievements.
The vaccine - called RTS,S - was proven effective six years ago.
Now, after the success of pilot immunisation programmes in Ghana, Kenya and Malawi, the World Health Organization says the vaccine should be rolled out across sub-Saharan Africa and in other regions with moderate to high malaria transmission.
Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the WHO, said it was "a historic moment".
"The long-awaited malaria vaccine for children is a breakthrough for science, child health and malaria control," he said. "[It] could save tens of thousands of young lives each year."
Media caption,WHO head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus: "Today is a historic day"
Deadly parasite
Malaria is a parasite that invades and destroys our blood cells in order to reproduce, and it's spread by the bite of blood-sucking mosquitoes.
Drugs to kill the parasite, bed-nets to prevent bites and insecticides to kill the mosquito have all helped reduce malaria.
But the greatest burden of the disease is felt in Africa, where more than 260,000 children died from the disease in 2019.
It takes years of being repeatedly infected to build up immunity and even this only reduces the chances of becoming severely ill.
Dr Kwame Amponsa-Achiano piloted the vaccine in Ghana to assess whether mass vaccination was feasible and effective.
"It is quite an exciting moment for us, with large scale vaccination I believe the malaria toll will be reduced to the barest minimum," he said.
Constantly catching malaria as a child inspired Dr Amponsa-Achiano to become a doctor in Ghana.
"It was distressing, almost every week you were out of school, malaria has taken a toll on us for a long time," he told me.
Saving children's lives
There are more than 100 types of malaria parasite. The RTS,S vaccine targets the one that is most deadly and most common in Africa: Plasmodium falciparum.
Trials, reported in 2015, showed the vaccine could prevent around four in 10 cases of malaria, three in 10 severe cases and lead to the number of children needing blood transfusions falling by a third.
However, there were doubts the vaccine would work in the real world as it requires four doses to be effective. The first three are given a month apart at five, six and seven months old, and a final booster is needed at around 18 months.
IMAGE SOURCE,BRIAN ONGORO
The findings of the pilots were discussed by two expert advisory groups at the WHO on Wednesday.
The results, from more than 2.3 million doses, showed:
"From a scientific perspective, this is a massive breakthrough, from a public health perspective this is a historical feat," said Dr Pedro Alonso, the director of the WHO Global Malaria Programme.
- the vaccine was safe and still led to a 30% reduction in severe malaria
- it reached more than two-thirds of children who don't have a bed-net to sleep under
- there was no negative impact on other routine vaccines or other measures to prevent malaria
- the vaccine was cost-effective
"We've been looking for a malaria vaccine for over 100 years now, it will save lives and prevent disease in African children."
Why is malaria so hard to beat?
Having just seen the world develop Covid vaccines in record time, you might be wondering why it has taken so long with malaria?
Malaria is caused by a parasite which is far more insidious and sophisticated than the virus that causes Covid. Comparing them is like comparing a person and a cabbage.
The malaria parasite has evolved to evade our immune system. That's why you have to catch malaria time and time again before starting to get even limited protection.
It has a complicated life cycle across two species (humans and mosquitoes), and even inside our body it morphs between different forms as it infects liver cells and red blood cells.
Developing a malaria vaccine is like nailing jelly to a wall and RTS,S is only able to target the sporozoite form of the parasite (this is the stage between being bitten by a mosquito and the parasite getting to the liver).
It is why the vaccine is 'only' 40% effective. However, this is still a remarkable success and paves the way for the development of yet more potent vaccines.
The vaccine, developed by the pharmaceutical giant GSK, is not going to replace all the other measures for controlling malaria such as insecticide-treated bed nets. It will be used alongside them to get closer to the goal of zero deaths from malaria.
And it won't be used outside of Africa where different forms of malaria, which the vaccine can't protect against, are more prevalent.
Dr Ashley Birkett, from the Path malaria vaccine initiative, said rolling out the vaccine was a "historic event" that would "take away fear" from families.
He told me: "Imagine your young child could be healthy one day and full of potential and then after the bite of an infected mosquito, while playing with friends or sleeping in a bed, they could be dead in a couple of weeks.
"Malaria is a huge problem, it's frightening and scary."
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but but but Hydroxychloroquine! Orange man told us to get a bleach enema with a strobe black light! It was perfect hearing I tell ya!
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I don't need to know 20 things about either, but thanks!
Mick Doobie
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Mick Doodly said:
Is that a reference to a Trump quote regarding what happened in Charlottesville, Va., "fine people on both sides"? I think it is?
One "side" set their sights on tearing down the statue of famed General Robert E. Lee, located in Lee Park, Charlottesville, Va. From what I understand military academies still instruct utilizing examples of General Lee's leadership of the Confederate Army, The Army of Northern Virginia. Tactical instruction. The University of Virginia is also located in Charlottesville. There is a statue of a guy named Thomas Jefferson there on UVA campus. Thomas Jefferson, the founder of UVA, some set sights on tearing down that statue as well. One "side" opposed tearing down statues, historical monuments.
There is also a Confederate Cemetery there in Charlottesville. During the war the wounded(and dead, I reckon) were transported for treatment to a hospital they had set up there in Charlottesville. In many cases horrific wounds they were ill equipped to provide medical attention and remedy at the time. Some of those guys did not make it, they died and were buried there in the Confederate Cemetery, in Charlottesville, Virginia. Some number of Union soldiers are buried there as well. There is a statue of a Confederate soldier there in that cemetery. A brother in arms standing guard, I reckon. Sights were set on tearing down that statue as well.
I am a Virginian, proud to be, with roots dating back many, many generations. It gets a little fuzzy, as far as the research goes, but perhaps dating back to before this country was founded. As fate would have it, I have ancestors buried there, The Confederate Cemetery in Charlottesville, Va. Just normal average folk, not particularly wealthy and never owned a slave in their lives, as far as I have found. I reckon as they saw it they were just fighting to protect their homes and families from as they saw it an invading army. I grew up a stone's throw from many historical locations. Drove past Thomas Jefferson's summer home in Poplar Forest nearly everyday as a lad. The location of Lee's surrender to General Grant was right up the road, The McLean House, in Appomattox, Va. Been there many times. As legend or fact has it, following the surrender Grant forbid his men from cheering or other celebratory displays intended to humiliate Lee and those formally under his command. I'm not particularly broken up about my ancestors buried there in Charlottesville. It's history, and I do respect history. Many historical statues have been torn down, including the historical and majestic men on horseback statues on Monument Avenue, Richmond, Virginia. Richmond was the former Capitol of the Confederacy, and now Capitol of Virginia. No doubt homeowners on "Monument Avenue" suffered a loss in property value. I once lived there. Cool place, or once was, A LOT of history there in Richmond, including displays of the shameful stain on this country that is slavery.....or used to be a lot of history there. It's being erased, canceled, if you will.
Just the other day we were talking Bluegrass Music, and music in general?....I was born and raised just east of areas such as where A.P. Carter of The Carter Family scoured the hills and countryside for old timey traditional music. Well, Clinch Mountain is in western Virginia, towards Tennessee. Not exactly a stones throw, ymmv. My roots are more from the central part of the state, born(but not raised) in a place known at one time as Liberty, Virginia. The fictional locations of Andy Griffith's "Mayberry" and "The Waltons" ain't far off. I reckon i'm bonafide, and as David Allan Coe might say, "if that ain't country i'll kiss your ass".
You ever heard this one? It's about "poor white trash" country folk, i've known the type. When he says "had an old dog that was trained to attack, sometimes", I think he's actually saying "trained to a tack", as in "sharp as a tack", meaning he's a pretty damn smart dog, sometimes. I could be wrong. Either way, likely he's just ornery, or onree, depending on where you're from. Sometimes he's a smart well trained dog, sometimes has zero fucks to give. Good album, David Allan Coe "Rides Again". Familiar?
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Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
^^Liar! 
Acting! Thank you, thank you very much. Just call my agent.
Acting! Thank you, thank you very much. Just call my agent.
WWLaidback
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^^Liar!
Acting! Thank you, thank you very much. Just call my agent.
Nothing has changed really. The democrats still own the slaves. They come in at the southern border with no papers, indebted to the crime cartels. Then they're shipped around the country for sex trafficking. Somebody calls it freedom. The 1960s civil rights act did change a D thing in my enlarged family including two state governors and one US senator. They remained democrats -- same as always. Republicans have ALWAYS been opposed to slavery. I'm not a republican or a democrat.
PS: I still have the civil war money. My grandma was from Caswell County, NC. She knew all the families involved in the "Roots" series. My relatives did not own any slaves. That was for the elite democrats. Like I said, NOTHING has changed.
Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
Actually, that one is easy. I think I meant to say, the research gets a bit fuzzy, but I can trace ancestors dating back to perhaps the time when the white devil first came to what would become this country.
Pardon the correction. Carry on.
WWLaidback
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American Indians are related to Europeans and Middle-easterners, not to the Orientals. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/11/21/study-native-americanshavewesteurasianorigins.html
WWLaidback
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Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
Orientals? It's "Asians", ya racist.
Just kidding!
It's Asians, ya bigot.
Just kidding! But seriously. The Orient is a place, in Asia. The people who live there may or may not be Asian, but if you call them Asian it is more likely they will politely call to attention, and less likely they will be offended or think you are just another stupid American. That's not left or right thinking, it's just true. No harm, no foul.
I haven't checked it out, but from what I hear they just found remains out west that date back much earlier than previously believed possible. Remains that question the "orientals" crossing the ice "land bridge" as possible to be the source of those remains. It's crazy, the science is in constant change, as soon as you believe one thing and the science is settled...boom! you gotta get all sciency to learn what the hell all over again.
I might check out your link some other time. Aljazeera? *spit*
WWLaidback
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Never mind what Mr. Trump really said about bleach and UV light, I can exaggerate too.
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WWLaidback
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It's enough reason for China to invade Taiwan and sell political dissidents for body parts. I'm not kidding.
WWLaidback
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Maybe the climate is working just fine too. The smoke-detector analogy would allow for that possibility. Nah... I'd rather avoid logical fallacies to start with.
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leddy
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If the vaccine did this to you, a full blown case of covid probably would have killed you. I'd be grateful for the shot if I were you.Run this through your Smoke Detector Analogy:
1st Moderna shot no problem.
Fast forward 6 months.
I was feeling just fine when I got my second Moderna shot and I waited in the waiting area. Then I was cleared to go home after 1/2 hour. I was still doing okay.
When I got home I started feeling the chills like the flu. I went to bed almost immediately.
Then the area around my shot site on the left arm went numb. I'm like... what the hell is this?
Then after about an hour the numbness spread down my left side into my hip and into my left leg. I'm like ohhhhh shittttt!
I spent the rest of the day in bed feeling a like a dog pile.
The next day I was sore and shaken, but everything came back to normal. thank God.
It scared the hell out of me though.
Now go ahead and factcheck me into never-land like it didn't happen.
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