"Mama, I'm Coming Home" with RAMI on vocals

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Well, I don't have any of that fancy gear but I think that our take on the song can live without it. :D
Interesting about the doubling.
 
Take 2 with a vengeance, this one done with authority and sounds great. It also sounded to have much more top and bottom end, which I was missing in the first - nice tonal balance and a vast improvement, impressive work.
 
Schwarzenyaeger said:
Well, I don't have any of that fancy gear but I think that our take on the song can live without it. :D
Interesting about the doubling.
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Yeah, I'm sure they spend considerable time getting the doubles. I would also bet that they do pitch tuning as well since I don't think Ozzy has the patience to spend all that time doing countless takes...
 
RAMI, I'm glad you re-did the vocals. I stayed out of the discussion because, as someone who has no knowledge of Sabbath stuff, I felt unqualified to add my criticism. I did think the first vocal was pitchy in places, and Schwarzenyaeger's intro guitars were not in tune.

Sometimes it's hard to take when somebody criticises something you're proud of, but kudos to both yourself and Schwarzenyaeger. You sucked it up, re-did your parts and I'm happy to say you both fucking nailed it this time.

It sounds fantastic.
 
Bubba po said:
RAMI, I'm glad you re-did the vocals. I stayed out of the discussion because, as someone who has no knowledge of Sabbath stuff, I felt unqualified to add my criticism. I did think the first vocal was pitchy in places, and Schwarzenyaeger's intro guitars were not in tune.

Sometimes it's hard to take when somebody criticises something you're proud of, but kudos to both yourself and Schwarzenyaeger. You sucked it up, re-did your parts and I'm happy to say you both fucking nailed it this time.

It sounds fantastic.
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Hey thanx alot Bubba. There was definitely room for improvement on my part. I probably under-estimated the song, to be honest. In my mind, it was "It's Ozzy how hard can it really be to sing". But I learned long ago that the tunes I always think will be the hardest turn out to be the easiest, and vice versa. I should have remembered that when I thought I'd be able to just breeze through this. Ozzy's got a style and sound.
 
I like this song... it's no "So Tired", which I believe set the standard for Ozzy's "power ballads", but this one is also good. That Dog In Door is apparently on some kind of Ozzy/Black Sabbath kick. He could certainly be on worse, so I'm not complaining. The vocal is way out in front, so I find myself focusing on that...

RAMI is a great singer, but I don't care for this vocal. I'm not sure I'd care for anyone's vocal that is this far out in front.

As I'm typing the song is progressing and the mix is growing on me a little, but I still think you should give those rockin' guitars of yours a bit more of the stage, dog in door.
 
NotThatBright said:
That Dog In Door is apparently on some kind of Ozzy/Black Sabbath kick.
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Um, "Dog in Door"?

I agree about the vocal being over the instruments, mostly in the part up to 1:24. The guitar in that section needs more definition and or level.

If I were mixing it I'd see how far down I could get the vocal in the more rockin' part of the song. I'd push it right down to the edge of understandability then I'd do a little eq or effects boost to bring it back "just enough". I would probably also pull back all the vocals a couple of dB during the big harmonies and thin out the backings just a tad with eq.
 
Yeah, bringing down the vocals is probably a great idea. It's my fault. After having headphones on all day, tracking, I told Shwarz that I thought the vocals were buried when he sent me a mix. I was probably in no position to make that judgement at that point in time. They were probably perfect where they were, before I said anything.

Also, the first version we put up had ADT on the vocals. I have a feeling that's what might have made my vocal sound "warbly" like a few people said, because I can't make my voice "warbly" even if I tried to. This version doesn't have any ADT on the vocals, which might make it sound better in one sense, but I got so used to that effect on my voice for this song that I'm having trouble getting used to this version. My voice sounds so naked to me now. I want some doubling on it, just like Ozzy!!! :D
 
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bouldersoundguy said:
Um, "Dog in Door"?
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I bitched about how tricky his name was to spell once and he offered "Dog In Door" and something else I can't remember as acceptable nicknames. I chose "Dog In Door" because it seemed like one of those things that would get extremely annoying after a while.
 
Lol. Fucking dobro. This thread is a dumpster fire.

I didn't get to hear the first version I guess, but this one seems okay to me. Dare I ask, is there any pitch correction on this? I know Rami's vocals pretty well, I think, and it all sounds okay to me, but it sounds like some notes sort of bend into pitch. Maybe it's the effects or whatever. I don't know. I don't even care, I'm just wondering. I'm not used to hear Rami's vocals all wetted down like this, so maybe that's all it is. I don't really know the original well either, so I'm not going to get all retarded about how faithful it is. Some of you fuckers need to relax. It's a cover. Maybe that's the problem. It's too well known of a song. People can't help but shit themselves over how it compares.

Underneath the vocals, which I think are done very well, I really don't like the backing tracks. The guitars, drums, it all sounds very fake to me. It's not organic at all. The drums sound very sampled and that reverb is ridiculous IMO. I'm not comparing it to the original, that's just how I hear it. I know big huge reverb is the style for 80s cheese rock, but I'm just not jiving with this one. I'm sorry. Maybe a better reverb or better use of the reverb would help. The guitars don't sound bad, but they do have sort of a flattened non-dynamic tell-tale digital overdrive sound. I don't know if they're sims or not, but they sound like sims to me. And not that there's anything wrong with sims or drum samples, but making them sound more real would be a step in the right direction IMO. There's just no depth or dimension to the music part of the song to me. It's like Rami sang over a pre-existing backing track. Just my 2 cents on this mix.
 
Greg_L said:
Lol. Fucking dobro. This thread is a dumpster fire.

I didn't get to hear the first version I guess, but this one seems okay to me. Dare I ask, is there any pitch correction on this? I know Rami's vocals pretty well, I think, and it all sounds okay to me, but it sounds like some notes sort of bend into pitch. Maybe it's the effects or whatever. I don't know. I don't even care, I'm just wondering. I'm not used to hear Rami's vocals all wetted down like this, so maybe that's all it is. I don't really know the original well either, so I'm not going to get all retarded about how faithful it is. Some of you fuckers need to relax. It's a cover. Maybe that's the problem. It's too well known of a song. People can't help but shit themselves over how it compares.
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That's how I saw it. I know people mean well and are just here to give their opinions and help. But there was something very weird going on in this thread, as if there was some sort of virus crawling through this place. Like I said, I have no delusions that I'm a great vocalist and there was definitely room for improvement, as there always is. But fuck, I know I came off defensive, which isn't the case. I just found some of the nit-picking over the top. Just the fact that I re-recorded the vocals should show that I accepted and appreciated everyone's input. But like I said, there was a weird cancerous thing going on for a while in this thread, like people were just jumping on a band-wagon. Left a bad taste in my mouth about doing collobs from now on, to be honest.

Anyway, just for the record, there's no pitch correction on my voice. Probably just not used to hearing the effects, and also not used to hearing me sing a song that is not something I would usually do, so it's kind of outside my comfort zone. Not the range, but the style.
 
Yeah, they're sims and samples. I really don't have anything else. I don't know if I can make them sound much better than this, with enunciation on the "I". The acoustic guitars are real though.

Thanks for the listen.
 
Schwarzenyaeger said:
Yeah, they're sims and samples. I really don't have anything else. I don't know if I can make them sound much better than this, with enunciation on the "I". The acoustic guitars are real though.

Thanks for the listen.
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Maybe share the direct guitar wav and some nice fella may reamp them for you?
 
Would there be a fellow nice enough to do that?
 
RAMI said:
Probably just not used to hearing the effects, and also not used to hearing me sing a song that is not something I would usually do, so it's kind of outside my comfort zone. Not the range, but the style.
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Everyone doing vocals for Schwarzenyaeger's Sabbath/Ozzy cover project right now is singing outside comfort zones. Christ, I'm an acoustic pop/adult contemporary guy and I did War Pigs, currently working on The Wizard. So I think the crazy vocal nitpicking can chill regarding this project. We'll all just pitching in and having fun.
 
RAMI said:
That's how I saw it. I know people mean well and are just here to give their opinions and help. But there was something very weird going on in this thread, as if there was some sort of virus crawling through this place. Like I said, I have no delusions that I'm a great vocalist and there was definitely room for improvement, as there always is. But fuck, I know I came off defensive, which isn't the case. I just found some of the nit-picking over the top. Just the fact that I re-recorded the vocals should show that I accepted and appreciated everyone's input. But like I said, there was a weird cancerous thing going on for a while in this thread, like people were just jumping on a band-wagon. Left a bad taste in my mouth about doing collobs from now on, to be honest.
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Don't sweat it. To be honest, it kind of looked like they jumped at a chance to knock you down a few pegs, and I don't like that. But I didn't hear the first version. Maybe it was off. I don't know. Maybe they were right. It just looked worse than standard MP3 clinic constructive feedback. Fuck it. I don't remember who said what, and I'm not going back to take names, but I doubt many or any of them make good consistent mixes like you do or have the vocal chops or balls to even think about singing this song, so fuck them. Kudos to you for being open minded enough to redo it.

P.S. - I think Ozzy is shit, so I'm sure you did it better anyway. :D
 
This version is much better. I know it's just a cover song and all, but I mean it's posted here in the mp3 clinic for mixing advice. People will tell you things you don't want to hear. They do it to me all the time when I post something and I don't get butt hurt about it. So, it's just a cover and people shouldn't offer their opinions? Then you posted it in the wrong section. Move it to the Marketing Your Music / Publicity forum. If you truly want feed back on it then suck it up and take it like a man :D
 
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