Marketing "How to", (he he)

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There are other issues as well, but the main point is that I was not able to find a site for music marketing that is reasonable, flexible and has affordable prices for advertisement. No site now offers effective possibilities to find new listeners, to advertise yourself at reasonable price.

That is because none exist. An all singing, all dancing website may promise you that you'll get listeners, make fans and sales but at the end of the day, not many people use these kinds of website or functions because they see them for what they are, a scam. Paying $200 to a website won't gain you any fans. You'll be lucky to make back $1 in sales should some random person come along and actually listen on your page. Paying a website to host your music is like paying a promoter to let you play a gig. No!

You'd be better off using a free alternative and promoting yourself, making links with real people and networking with other artists by advertising each other on websites, social medias, at live gigs, etc. You scratch my back, I scratch yours kind of thing. But even that has massive flaws and will only target a small area of people. The old ways of getting noticed are dead and gone and you're left with nothing. The internet is not a great place for marketing music because while you're doing it, so are another 90,000,000 people and no one is listening to them either.

If you think you're going to stumble across a one sites does all and make you famous, rich or even sells some of your music, you're pretty much mistaken. It just doesn't work like that.

You go on to talk of using adverts on Facebook and Google. OK, let's take a minute to think how many people use Ad Blockers so they don't see adverts and then there are those that just don't read them as apposed to those that do read them but don't click on them. Those that do click on them have then got to listen to a 50 second clip of a song you're advertising and decide if they want to spend money to hear it all. I would place bets now on that system being a failure to make any revenue. Definitely not enough to make back what you spent on the adverts. Yeah The Rolling Stones might make a few quid from an advert like that but Average Joe Smoe who no-one knows? Really?

AND REMEMBER - DO NOT START DISCUSSIONS. IF YOU AGREE - FOLLOW, IF YOU DO NOT - PASS BY PLEASE. OR AT LEAST IF YOU ARE ARGUING SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ISSUES I RAISE, NOT ABOUT ME.

You don't get to dictate what people do or don't say on a public forum, sorry. :thumbs up:

it is better not to give away free samples and protect with watermark or give 30 sec preview, disagreement like your watermarks are terrible - is nothing. Yes they are terrible, thank you I removed them. So what? It does not proves that watermarks are bad marketing especially when I refer to audiojungle.com .

In my opinion, yes it is better to give the full free sample rather than a shortened clip with a watermark. If people know exactly what they're getting there will be more chance of making a sale. You wouldn't want to look at half a pair of trousers and try them on for a fit would you? Or take half a car for a test drive? (Might be fun on 2 wheels) So why give people half a song?

I look at it like this, 10 people downloading for free and 10 people buying it is better than 20 not giving a damn and passing by because they only heard a few seconds of it and didn't know whether they liked it.

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Ok clear

In Georgia here TV advertisement budget is the biggest - 50 mill USD per year. Second is outdoor - 20 mill and third is inetrnet - 4 mill. You are telling me about advertisement on inet? Internet became second advertisement media in most of advanced countries. Just wake up.

if you have 10 free downloads and 10 purchases, my respect to you.
 
In Georgia here TV advertisement budget is the biggest - 50 mill USD per year. Second is outdoor - 20 mill and third is inetrnet - 4 mill. You are telling me about advertisement on inet? Internet became second advertisement media in most of advanced countries. Just wake up.

:laughings: You come back when you've made your album and sold and made millions and tell us we're all wrong. We'll all still be here to tell you we told you so when the reality hammer hits.

if you have 10 free downloads and 10 purchases, my respect to you.

To quote Greg from another thread who summed it up nicely for me.

I write, record, and play gigs for my own enjoyment. I couldn't care less if some other fuckass likes it or not.
 
:laughings: You come back when you've made your album and sold and made millions and tell us we're all wrong. We'll all still be here to tell you we told you so when the reality hammer hits.

And where is the logic? I told you internet media is second in many countries. Internet advertisement budgets are growing year from year.

Your answer - "You .... you....you" What about - no you are wrong internet advertisement is diminishing, major brands are shifting from internet media to radio advertisement and etc?

To quote Greg from another thread who summed it up nicely for me.

And what are you doing in topic about marketing? For your own enjoyment? Ok, no problem. Enjoy.
 
And where is the logic? I told you internet media is second in many countries. Internet advertisement budgets are growing year from year.

Yeah it is but for a dude with a guitar, what chance have you got? A spitty little advert on facebox or google and a reverbnation page? You're dreaming!

Your answer - "You .... you....you" What about - no you are wrong internet advertisement is diminishing, major brands are shifting from internet media to radio advertisement and etc?

Since it's clearly about you wanting to make something of yourself through advertising, surely the you, you, you is warranted? Do you have any conception of how much it costs to put an advert on the radio or TV? Then there are tools like Spotify, they're great. People actually pay them to remove the adverts!

And what are you doing in topic about marketing? For your own enjoyment? Ok, no problem. Enjoy.

Yeah, shooting the breeze and passing the time. It's all good fun. :thumbs up:
 
In order to get heard you have several ways. Why do you thing that sharing 4 sharing will work and facebook advertisement will not? TV, Radio? Forget about the radio. Its CPT and reach building capabilities are not effective. TV? - most effective and most expensive. What media channels do you have? In georgia with population of 4.5 millions there are 1.2 registered users on facebook with 800 000 active. You can easily check how many USA registered users on facebook are, check the price per click on facebook for advertisement and tell everybody here that facebook advertisement is a crap. Tell it especially those small and medium businesses and big brands that are using facebook advertisement for years.

Glad for you.
 
Best Buy advertising on facebook makes more financial sense than Joe Idiot from Georgia advertising on facebook.
 
Nope, this is on my desktop.....

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.....which ironically, is where your head is. :thumbs up:
 
I'm going to close this now, if for no other reason that Lugatt has started a new thread that seems to cover the same ground.

Look, there have been a few reports made each way about posts in this thread so may I make a few suggestions?

Lugatt, clearly there are several people who take issue with your views on the industry.
You don't have to but can I ask you, in the interests of productivity, to ignore them, or at least not bother arguing it out with them?

Everyone else? Sometimes an ignored problem goes away. I think everyone got a change to get their $0.02 in.
Worth a try?

Thanks folks.
 
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