How many bad songs do you have to write before you write a good one?

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Sorry about the maybe Barry.
The use of a conjunction to begin a paragraph is a common artifice to suggest an ongoing conversation. It's much more acceptable that using so or and but you'll note that they both have siginificant currency in the online conversation world. In conversation they often do extra duty as surrogate full stops.
The use of the comma I was referring to, and you so delicately avoided addressing, is demonstrated in the following balderized quotation of your words:
I know, I went to college, I know what you were saying.
I add that there's probably scope for a colon or semi colon, (dependant on understanding of the usage), after college.
I'm still uncertain of the meaning of "college" in the context you've used it.
 
fat_fleet said:
Do you have that in his handwriting? Because if not, I think it's a little rash to make assumptions...
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Proof of why he wrote like he wrote? Or that he cant write a pop hook?
Bruce Springsteen and Philosophy: Darkness on the Edge of Truth - Google Books


Here he writes a very pop radio friendly song, yet doesnt sacrafice lyrical content, not many people can do this. Bruce Springsteen - Working on the highway ( Lyrics in desc.) - YouTube

Born in The USA, a song about the aftermath of the vietnam vet, a big giant hook, a top ten hit,
this is not "I got the moves like Jaggar"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRxAs3YZjcc

How about creating an amusement park through music, with this tune, everything, the drums the rhytm, put you there. Bruce Springsteen - Tunnel Of Love - YouTube
 
rayc said:
Sorry about the maybe Barry.
The use of a conjunction to begin a paragraph is a common artifice to suggest an ongoing conversation. It's much more acceptable that using so or and but you'll note that they both have siginificant currency in the online conversation world. In conversation they often do extra duty as surrogate full stops.
The use of the comma I was referring to, and you so delicately avoided addressing, is demonstrated in the following balderized quotation of your words:
I know, I went to college, I know what you were saying.
I add that there's probably scope for a colon or semi colon, (dependant on understanding of the usage), after college.
I'm still uncertain of the meaning of "college" in the context you've used it.
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Pretty sad when your only argument is a grammar quip, as if we all long for perfect grammar on a home recording forum. But, it's been nice destroying you in the argument.
 
barry c said:
There wasnt until youu stooges decided to challenge what I wrote. You tried, but lost
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What did I challenge? And what did I lose? According to who?

I thought we were just talkin about music..

Also I'm just one stooge...singular. :)
 
barry c said:
There wasnt until youu stooges decided to challenge what I wrote. You tried, but lost
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lol .... no one won or lost. You're setting yourself up as the arbiter of what's well crafted song writing and what isn't.
You're not, except in your own mind. You act like if you believe something's a certain way that makes it so.
It doesn't ..... it's all only your opinion.

Not that you shouldn't say what you think is needed for a song to be well-crafted and not that you don't have some valid points.
But I've never heard a single musician or songwriter in my entire 50 year career say, I wonder if barry c thinks this is a good song nor have I ever seen any articles that referenced you as the person who decides that.

You have an opinion and that's all it is even if I agree with some of your points.
 
Rather than define good or bad how about commercially viable..

I went to a BMI event "How I wrote that song" a few years back..It was interesting hearing homerun hitters Cee lo Green, Seal, Chad Hugo; Claude Kelly; Bonnie McKee and BC Jean talk about the frustration of writing tunes, tunes they thought were good that get canned and then ones that they write as a joke or think are mediocre that go big time. No Rhyne or reason... The "F" you song was basically a joke because the label kept turning down all the tunes he was writing.. the F you was really to piss off his bosses...then they loved it... SHIT!

So throw out the formula's...songs come ,songs go and which ones "make it big" God only knows.

It's the craft and the joy therein...wanting your child to grow up to be a super success is normal but there are no guarantees...do your best and enjoy the journey. Whether you end up with nothing or the greatest hit ever written really has nothing to do with you...you're just an encoding device for the muses that bring the tunes and lyrics to you to bring to the world... don't take your self or anyone else too seriously..we're just puppets on strings dancing.

Bottom line...It ain't a competition....
 
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barry c said:
You tried, but lost
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No, I won. Look- the mods gave me a trophy.

VvEKwz6W
 
Lt. Bob said:
lol .... no one won or lost. You're setting yourself up as the arbiter of what's well crafted song writing and what isn't.
You're not, except in your own mind. You act like if you believe something's a certain way that makes it so.
It doesn't ..... it's all only your opinion.

Not that you shouldn't say what you think is needed for a song to be well-crafted and not that you don't have some valid points.
But I've never heard a single musician or songwriter in my entire 50 year career say, I wonder if barry c thinks this is a good song nor have I ever seen any articles that referenced you as the person who decides that.

You have an opinion and that's all it is even if I agree with some of your points.
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Thats because Barry C, didnt invent what a great crafted song is.
 
TAE said:
Rather than define good or bad how about commercially viable..

I went to a BMI event "How I wrote that song" a few years back..It was interesting hearing homerun hitters Cee lo Green, Seal Chad Hugo; Claude Kelly; Bonnie McKee and BC Jean talk about the frustration of writing tunes, tunes they thought were good that get canned and then ones that they write as a joke or think are mediocre that go big time. No Rhyne or reason... The "F" you song was basically a joke because the label kept turning down all the tunes he was writing.. the F you was really to piss off his bosses...then they loved it... SHIT!

So throw out the formula's...songs come ,songs go and which ones "make it big" God only knows.

It's the craft and the joy therein...wanting your child to grow up to be a super success is normal but there are no guarantees...do your best and enjoy the journey. Whether you end up with nothing or the greatest hit ever written really has nothing to do with you...you're just an encoding device for the muses that bring the tunes and lyrics to you to bring to the world... don't take your self or anyone else too seriously..we're just puppets on strings dancing.

Bottom line...It ain't a competition....
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If youre trying to write a commercial viable song, it IS a comptetion. My argument was that a great crafted song does not mean it's commercial viable, commercial viability is all about making money with the song. C lo and SEAL are the ones writing to a formula, that is why you know who they are.

I can name 25 songwriters who play small clubs, that you have never heard of. They have been making albums for decades on small labels or no label at all. it aint about commercial viability at all, unless that is your goal
 
BUT BAZZA,
you intra juized edjumakashun'n'stuff to the brawl. I wuz jizz poyntn to ya fayelya to use da edumakashun proppa.
 
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Greg_L said:
:laughings:

All I know is this....I throw away better songs than barryc finishes after years of work.
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Honestly I really am dying to hear one of these barry c perfectly constructed high art songs.
 
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