The New Tone Thread

[minerman]

I have been doing a lot of acousticy stuff in 2013. My news year resolution is to get back to basics and rock out a bit. Have a few foundations for some roots punk rock and roll stuff all laid out. Took an hour to try to dial in a rhythm guitar tone for the ideas i have for projects i have for the rest of this long cold Canadian winter. My aim is to use full chords as the main rhythm guit tracks and power chords as filler in the back ground.

It's been a really tough time for me in the last year or so Shane, I've fell into a rut myself by not finishing up my songs, but I'm hoping to turn it around this winter....Been through some rough-ass personal problems lately (actually for a long time), but it's easing up somewhat, so again, I hope to finish the 2-albums worth of stuff I've started....We'll see I suppose....

I'd love to hear some of your stuff dude, to be honest, I'd rather hear something someone did in their home, that's got soul, feeling, & means something to the person who wrote/recored it, rather than the shit that's popular or played to death on the radio today....Post 'em up when you finish 'em dude, by all means...

I was going to share some settings with you but seeing as it is a sim i figured it doesn't matter all that much when it comes to numbers.

I don't have a problem with that at all, some guys in this forum might try to give you a hard time (not this particular thread though, I wouldn't think anyway...), so feel free IMHO dude....Nothing wrong with using ampsims, I've used 'em for years now, & they can sound quite convincing in a mix with some thought & a little tweaking....

Gibson LP Jr Special, Bridge P90 > Line 6 100W Hiwatt Sim > 1968 Marshall Basketweave w/ greenback speakers Amp Model

Pointless right? haha! Ignore the noodling foul ups, i wasn't aiming for perfection on performance delivery.

Sounds ok IMO dude, to be honest, I never could get my Line 6 stuff to sound how I wanted, dunno why....probably just me....the other ampsims IMO, are a little more organic, but, it's oranges & apples dude.....

Your track sounds fine to me, maybe use a little less gain, dunno, I'd have to hear it in a mix to see what you're going for really (I'm not really that good at describing things either...LOL), but it's not bad at all dude...

Another thing abour our thread here, the performance does't make a fuck at all dude, it's about the tone....Best thread I've ever been a part of to be honest, & through the 200+ pages, there's a wealth of tips & knowledge waiting to be had dude...

Keep at it, & post some more dude!!!!

 

[Greg_L]

I have been doing a lot of acousticy stuff in 2013. My news year resolution is to get back to basics and rock out a bit. Have a few foundations for some roots punk rock and roll stuff all laid out. Took an hour to try to dial in a rhythm guitar tone for the ideas i have for projects i have for the rest of this long cold Canadian winter. My aim is to use full chords as the main rhythm guit tracks and power chords as filler in the back ground.

Maybe

I was going to share some settings with you but seeing as it is a sim i figured it doesn't matter all that much when it comes to numbers.

Gibson LP Jr Special, Bridge P90 > Line 6 100W Hiwatt Sim > 1968 Marshall Basketweave w/ greenback speakers Amp Model

Pointless right? haha! Ignore the noodling foul ups, i wasn't aiming for perfection on performance delivery.

Cheers

I think it sounds pretty good. Don't worry about using sims or how you play. When the original tone thread started like two years ago, playing and gear wasn't the concern. It was just about guitar tones. Actually it was about Mick Ronson's guitar tone and it just sort of blew up from there.

 

[Lt. Bob]

When the original tone thread started like two years ago, ..... it was about Mick Ronson's guitar tone and it just sort of blew up from there.

yeppers ...... what a long strange trip it's been!



We're like a mini-forum of our own

 

[Greg_L]

I dusted off the old Rat just now and threw it in front of the JVM. When I actually used this thing 20 years ago, this is how I used it - amp set clean (cuz that's all I had - clean-only junky SS amps) and used The Rat for ALL of my dirt. I think it works better as the source of the sound instead of accompanying an already overdriven amp. I felt the same way about the OCD. The Rat actually kind of sounds like the OCD. But it really sounds more like ass. Anyway, I should have spent more time with it but just wanted to try it out again for old time's sake. This clip is 4 sections - clean, then three Rat sections.

Les Paul - Burstbucker 3 bridge p/u
Marshall JVM410 Clean Channel - Green Mode
Gain - just enough to get sound out of it. Like 1-2
Bass, Mid, and Treb - 5
Presence - 0
Master Vol - 5
Marshall 1960a - Greenback - SM57 on grill, on axis, halfway to edge.

Rat settings:
Distortion - 9:00 - 12:00 - 3:00
Filter - 1:30
Volume - 3:00

PoopCo The Crap

 

[Greg_L]

Oh and here's some real stupidity. Just fat fuzzy noise. Same amp/mic settings as above, Rat dirt at 3:00, neck 57 Classic on the LP, and with the JVM's reverb kicked on about halfway and a TC Electronics Flashback Delay in the fx loop engaged.

dumb

 

[Lt. Bob]

several hundred bucks doesn't seem like that huge a value when plenty of brand new pedals are several hundred dollars.

The clips sound great ...... everybody's everywhere!



I especially liked the way gergs first clip morphed into feedback ...... that's always a cool sound.
I also liked spaced out greg.

Shan ..... thought your stuff was cool too ...... I like a bit less gain myself ..... post some more. No one cares about the playing aspect ..... this is tones baby!

Minerman ...... that LP continues to impress ........ next, let's hear something purty.

 

[minerman]

Cool clips Greg, I like the last part of the Rat clip myself....I used to jam with a guy who used one into an old Marshall plexi, & 4x12 cab....sounded awesome, he could get the 80's hair thing to a "T" with his rig....That amp was stupid loud...it was so loud it hurt...LOL....Man, that's been over 20 years ago....To be honest, I didn't care for the delay clip, I could instantly tell it was the neck p'up....Reminds me, I need to adjust my neck p'up, as I like using it for some smooth, fat od sounds, but right now, it's a trainwreck....Sounds good on the first clip though, but really, it's no surprise...

Bob: I'll get around to doing something clean with the new LP, I've just been so stoked the last day or two, it sounds great to me...And yes, I love it when we're all here posting up clips man, I really look forward to 'em to be honest....


Well, my buddy can't really swing the interface, as he'd have to buy a new computer too, so, I'm gonna send him my old Line 6 GuitarPort, the Teac 77 mic, & a 1/4" > xlr cable...Only thing he'd have to come up with would be a mic stand, mic clip, & some headphones (if he doesn't have any already...)...Gonna send all that out Friday morning, & I told him that we were all looking forward to seeing him over here....He's a really good guy, but is a total newbie in the recording thing....I sent him a pm just a few minutes ago, but dunno if I'll hear back from him tonight or not, but again, I'm gonna help him out with getting started....He's the guy who sent both Duncan p'ups to me, the last one, he didn't even want me to pay him for it, so, it'll all work out like this....

Gonna grab a shower, some supper, & gonna try to record a little more tonight....The LP has inspired me guys, so glad I got it....I actually did some scratch leads on a song today before work....wow....LOL.....

 

[minerman]

Ok guys, I've got a question: My new LP has the quick connect thing (it's got the 5-wire plug on each p'up....I'm assuming this is for the coil taps...I did look around a little, & Gibson sells a 2-wire plug p'ups too), so, if I decide to change p'ups, what would I have to do (other than buy a p'up that's got the plug on it already)....Are there plugs I could buy to put on any p'up to make it solder-less p'up swap??? I actually like the idea of the quick change thing, but I'm assuming there are a shitload of different makes/plugs/etc, right???

 

[Greg_L]

Ha, thanks Lt Boob.

Cool clips Greg, I like the last part of the Rat clip myself....I used to jam with a guy who used one into an old Marshall plexi, & 4x12 cab....sounded awesome, he could get the 80's hair thing to a "T" with his rig....That amp was stupid loud...it was so loud it hurt...LOL....Man, that's been over 20 years ago....To be honest, I didn't care for the delay clip, I could instantly tell it was the neck p'up....Reminds me, I need to adjust my neck p'up, as I like using it for some smooth, fat od sounds, but right now, it's a trainwreck....Sounds good on the first clip though, but really, it's no surprise...

I'll have to try it with the Plexi. And yeah, I don't really like the neck pickup clip either really. It's just too much. It was fun for some loud noise, but it's not a tone I'd ever use for anything.

 

[Greg_L]

Ok guys, I've got a question: My new LP has the quick connect thing (it's got the 5-wire plug on each p'up....I'm assuming this is for the coil taps...I did look around a little, & Gibson sells a 2-wire plug p'ups too), so, if I decide to change p'ups, what would I have to do (other than buy a p'up that's got the plug on it already)....Are there plugs I could buy to put on any p'up to make it solder-less p'up swap??? I actually like the idea of the quick change thing, but I'm assuming there are a shitload of different makes/plugs/etc, right???

You could solder the stock quick-connector onto a new pickup. If you go to a two-wire pickup, I think you're gonna lose coil-splitting. I'm not aware of any quick-change pickup options, and frankly, many people with those PCB Gibsons gut that shit and go old school with it. 50s wiring, baby. Do it!

 

[Lt. Bob]

If you go to a two-wire pickup, I think you're gonna lose coil-splitting.

if you go to a two wire p'up you will lose coil splitting.
And quite a few p'up manufacturers make p'ups with the quick change plugs on them.
Whether they're all interchangeable or not, I don't know.
But it seems like the p'up manufacturers would want them to be compatible but you'd have to check.
I've never used any quick change sockets on p'up as I haven't changed one in several years and even the ones I might change are 20 years old sitting in my box of stuff so I haven't run into one in person.

Also I have no fear of heating up a soldering iron and screwing something up!

 

[Greg_L]

Putting that P-Rails and mini-toggle in the Hallmark was a little intimidating but it all worked out. Soldering wires together or to switches is fine for me. I used to wire up entire winnebagos. Those things are a bitch. I draw the line at circuit boards.

 

[minerman]

Greg: After doing some more reading, I can buy the plugs that'll fit my LP's PCB thing, so if I ever do that, it wont take but a few minutes to change a p'up.....On doing the 50's wiring, to be honest, I'd actually like to leave the quick connect thing in there, sure I can solder, but, it would be a lot faster & easier for me just to plug a p'up into the existing system.....Not that I'm not happy with the p'ups in the LP, because I am, just looking down the road a little for some more options maybe....Thanks dude, gonna do some more digging/research on this....

You're right on the 2-wire vs. the 5-wire, the 5-wire is for the coil taps, again, I like 'em for tonal options...Myself, I think it would be cool (and a lot easier) just to drop a p'up in the guitar, plug in & be done....I read last night a lot of the purists have gutted the PCB system & totally re-wired thier guitars....

BTW, I know your LP is a goldtop, did it have the PCB thing??? And, I've looked here, but can't find any pics of your LP dude, post up some pics of that bad boy if/when you get time......

 

[minerman]

OK, here's a clean tone guys....

LP bridge p'up, split/coil tap engaged > DSL-1 > Greenback > '57 & C1 with some reverb added in the daw....

DSL-1:
1w mode
Green channel
Vol:10
Gain: 8
Bass: 8
Mid: 4
Treble: 5-6
Deep: Off
Tone Shift: Off

Need to play with the eq some more on the amp, but I'm outta time....

 

[Greg_L]

Here's mine. Trad Pro GoldTop.




No PCB. Just wires....



Your cleans sound great. Very clean and clear. Nice playing too.

 

[Lt. Bob]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .............. goldtop ......................

 

[minerman]

Here's mine. Trad Pro GoldTop.

Nice Greg....you see, that's how I thought the finish on my LP would be, all shiny, & nitro'd....but, I still love my new guitar man, it plays & sounds great IMHO....

Your cleans sound great. Very clean and clear. Nice playing too.

Well, the sounds are probably ok, but my playing is sloppy as fuck on this clip.....Dunno if you recognize those songs or not, but the first part is supposed to be "Killer of Giants" by Ozzy (Jake E. Lee), & the second is "Save All Your Love" by Great White (Mark Kendall....huge influence on me way back then....hard rock/metal, but with a blues feel...still love his style/playing)....Can't believe it's been 25+ years since those albums came out...This clip is just from memory too, I used to be able to nail both of 'em, but, it's been a long, long time dude....Need to practice more, but it's really hard just getting to work everyday, much less keeping my guitar chops up..Thanks Greg....

Bob: This is about as "purty" as it gets with me dude, I almost put a country lick from a song we used to play years ago, but, didn't....

 

[Greg_L]

Dunno if you recognize those songs or not....... Ozzy......Great White ....

No. Lol. I can name maybe 3 ozzy songs, and isn't Great White that band that burned some club down and killed a bunch of people?

My sister used to like that stuff back in the 80s. She was a headbanger chick. Big bangs, slut makeup, ripped jeans, the whole thing. She liked all that super cheese 80s glam rock. Winger, Slaughter, Bullet Boys, Cinderella, Ratt, etc. She was even in a Bon Jovi video for like one nanosecond. Lol.

 

[antichef]

Ok guys, I've got a question: My new LP has the quick connect thing (it's got the 5-wire plug on each p'up....I'm assuming this is for the coil taps...I did look around a little, & Gibson sells a 2-wire plug p'ups too), so, if I decide to change p'ups, what would I have to do (other than buy a p'up that's got the plug on it already)....Are there plugs I could buy to put on any p'up to make it solder-less p'up swap??? I actually like the idea of the quick change thing, but I'm assuming there are a shitload of different makes/plugs/etc, right???

Wow. Do the plugs fit through the hole between the pickup cavity and the control cavity? I'm having a hard time visualizing this. Great clean sound, btw.

 

[antichef]

Here's mine. Trad Pro GoldTop.

sweeet