groovyisland
hay wasa
van halen fried a lot of transformers
with his variac thingamajig
with his variac thingamajig
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
lol ... teh gerg is the shitz when it comes to recording guitar and don't let his protestations of not being any good fool ya' ..... he has chops.
That was a very good tone man ...... I need that tone ...... I'm gonna have to get a closed back cab.
That was a very good tone man ...... I need that tone ...... I'm gonna have to get a closed back cab.
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Greg_L
Banned
Haha, thanks LT. This 2x12 I have is a convertible. It can be closed or open back. I don't think I've ever taken the back panel off though. I've been meaning to try it out but.....damn this cab had V30's in it and it's already loud as hell. Maybe I'll try it open-back this week with a room mic and some surfy stuff.
groovyisland
hay wasa
Greg is a wonderful player
marvellous
and lt bob too
marvellous
and lt bob too
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Greg_L
Banned
I listened to some VH today, and really listened to his tone probably for the first time ever. IMO, it almost sounds like a single coil. Those early VH sounds aren't fat at all. They're very....what's the word.....chimy. There's a lot of articulation. His chords and riffs aren't swimming in a sea of thickness like typical humbucker sounds. There's a lot of separation between his notes and shit. I'm wondering is half of his rigged up clusterfucked humbucker was broken. 
Or maybe it's his butchered balsa wood guitar and maple neck making it seem so clean while still being pretty raunchy. Maybe the output wasn't so hot. Maybe his volume knob only worked halfway. Who knows?
Or maybe it's his butchered balsa wood guitar and maple neck making it seem so clean while still being pretty raunchy. Maybe the output wasn't so hot. Maybe his volume knob only worked halfway. Who knows?
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Greg_L
Banned
Here's some more VH crap. I've had about enough of this cheesy buttrock shit. Somewhere out in the cosmos Johnny Ramone is frowning on me.
Same amp and mic settings as before, just a lot louder. Channel and master vol's on 6. Also added an MXR Phase 90 in front for the intro just to see how it'd sound.
van crappin 2
Same amp and mic settings as before, just a lot louder. Channel and master vol's on 6. Also added an MXR Phase 90 in front for the intro just to see how it'd sound.
van crappin 2
minerman
Tonetard
Cool tone Greg,
Man, you know, the more I listen you your clips, the more I want a fuckin' JVM.......I think that would hold me at bay for a while on my tones, as it seems to have pretty much everything covered, from spanky-type cleans, to downright dirty as fuck, & everything in between.....Gonna check around on some prices, & see how much it'll set me back with at least a 2x12 cab, but I might as well go with a 4x12, knowing I won't be totally happy until I get a half stack.....
On the VH tone thing, it is really hard to say what all he did to his gear, but IMO, it's a classic, timeless guitar sound, that I've loved since hearing their first album at the age of 7....I'm 42 now (will be 43 in November), & it just never gets old....to me....I know there are a lot of folks (like you Greg) that don't like the hair metal/80's rock sound, & it's cool, that's what makes us all different. But to me, that's what I grew up listening to, & it's just stuck with me all these years........
Again, cool tone, I really wish you stop holding back on you chops though, I know you can fuckin' play when you want to, I've heard your songs dude, so you're really not fooling me at all.....OK, I'll stop with the VH tones for a while, I did get a little closer this morning before work, but won't bore you with it.....
Post up some different tones the JVM can do man when you get time....
Man, you know, the more I listen you your clips, the more I want a fuckin' JVM.......I think that would hold me at bay for a while on my tones, as it seems to have pretty much everything covered, from spanky-type cleans, to downright dirty as fuck, & everything in between.....Gonna check around on some prices, & see how much it'll set me back with at least a 2x12 cab, but I might as well go with a 4x12, knowing I won't be totally happy until I get a half stack.....
On the VH tone thing, it is really hard to say what all he did to his gear, but IMO, it's a classic, timeless guitar sound, that I've loved since hearing their first album at the age of 7....I'm 42 now (will be 43 in November), & it just never gets old....to me....I know there are a lot of folks (like you Greg) that don't like the hair metal/80's rock sound, & it's cool, that's what makes us all different. But to me, that's what I grew up listening to, & it's just stuck with me all these years........
Again, cool tone, I really wish you stop holding back on you chops though, I know you can fuckin' play when you want to, I've heard your songs dude, so you're really not fooling me at all.....OK, I'll stop with the VH tones for a while, I did get a little closer this morning before work, but won't bore you with it.....
Post up some different tones the JVM can do man when you get time....
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Greg_L
Banned
A 2x12 isn't much, if any, cheaper than used 4x12s, so yeah, get a halfstack! Keep in mind though that you just have GAS. Lol. The tones you're getting with your setup are very good. They work in a mix and you get good sounds. I hear ya though. I felt the same way. But yeah, I really think you'd love the JVM. It's so much amp! The flexibility and variety with this thing is just crazy......but it all sounds like a Marshall. The Satriani model is a buttrocking favorite too, but I'm not thrilled with it. It's "Crunch" channel is probably right in your wheelhouse as it's a little harier than the standard JVM's Crunch channel, but I think it's geared more for serious live players. It has 4 noise gates instead of 4 reverbs. The JS has two OD channels, and they're identical. That's really dumb to me. A lot of people mod their JVM to have two identical OD1 channels, and that too is dumb to me. The stock standard JVM has a better clean section, more authentic Crunch section, and the two OD channels are different. But either is a kick ass amp. I just think the regular JVM is more flexible.
I really like the guitar sounds of the buttrocking 70s/80s, but I hate the songs. I love the guitar tones of Eddie, Randy, George Lynch, Yngwie, and all the other teased hair spandex homos. I love the big dumb huge drum sounds of buttrock. I just fucking HATE the songs. They're unlistenable to me. I listened to all that hair shit before I started thinking about it. Van Halen, Ratt, Ozzy, Priest, all that stuff. But even as an 11 yr old kid I was getting really tired of the guitar solo and Waaaaaaaa vocals. I was a kid in the mid 80s, surrounded by hair and spandex, and I looked for better stuff. I'd listen to my dad's old records all the time. The Ventures was one band that I really liked, still do, without knowing anything about them. No vocals, and great guitar playing without all the flash and douchebaggery of hair rock. My friends were listening to Journey and Dokken, I listened to Jerry Lee Lewis the Beach Boys and Fats Domino. Lol. Then punk finally found me and fixed me up forever. One of the things that drew me into the Ramones sound was the blazing relentless unpretentious guitar. It never stopped. I didn't understand why the guitars sounded that way. I'd never heard anything like that. At the time the Ramones were already well established, but it was brand new to me. Totally different from all the corny buttrock that was prevalent at the time, but not as tame and timid as my dad's oldies. There was no riffing or chops. No leads. No twiddling or noodling. It was just cool melodic songs that sort of sounded like the oldies but with warped humor and a relentless rhythm section. And Johnny used Marshalls.
Thanks man. I appreciate that. I do okay for a dumb punk guitarist. As much as I love the sound and style of punk music, it probably has stunted me quite a bit as a musician. For as long as I've been playing, I think I should be WAY better on guitar and drums than I currently am. I'd really like to be better, but really, why bother? I'm as good as I need to be. I'm kind of in a rut. Not a bad rut, but where do I go from here? Nowhere. I don't know how to learn anything new. I don't know how to practice. I don't know any theory or techniques beyond the basic shit I already know. I just maintain what I have. Stylistically, if I had to choose a few guitar stars that I'd like to emulate, it would be Angus, Ace Frehley, and Slash. I like the way they play lead guitar. A little sloppy, mostly pretty basic, but they throw down cool licks that aren't guitar masturbation. I could incorporate their kinds of leads into my own stuff and it wouldn't out of place.....if only I could play like them. I just don't have the musical vocabulary. All of my leads end up sounding the same.
I'll work on getting up some tones from the different channels and modes of my JVM. I love the amp, but some of it is unusable for me. For example, the red modes of the OD channels. They're so loaded with gain that I can't utilize them. I don't know how to. I'm not a metal guy by any means, so their potential is lost on me. I don't do drop tunings or thrash, so wtf am I supposed to do with that much gain? Lol. My "Eddie" clips done with OD1 Orange mode is about the most gain I'd ever use - and that's with the gain on like 2. This amp has a whole galaxy of gain available beyond that.
groovyisland
hay wasa
oh my lord greg
supercool
and groovy
supercool
and groovy
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Greg_L
Banned
I know.
minerman
Tonetard
A 2x12 isn't much, if any, cheaper than used 4x12s, so yeah, get a halfstack! Keep in mind though that you just have GAS. Lol. The tones you're getting with your setup are very good. They work in a mix and you get good sounds. I hear ya though. I felt the same way. But yeah, I really think you'd love the JVM. It's so much amp! The flexibility and variety with this thing is just crazy......but it all sounds like a Marshall. The Satriani model is a buttrocking favorite too, but I'm not thrilled with it. It's "Crunch" channel is probably right in your wheelhouse as it's a little harier than the standard JVM's Crunch channel, but I think it's geared more for serious live players. It has 4 noise gates instead of 4 reverbs. The JS has two OD channels, and they're identical. That's really dumb to me. A lot of people mod their JVM to have two identical OD1 channels, and that too is dumb to me. The stock standard JVM has a better clean section, more authentic Crunch section, and the two OD channels are different. But either is a kick ass amp. I just think the regular JVM is more flexible.
I really like the guitar sounds of the buttrocking 70s/80s, but I hate the songs. I love the guitar tones of Eddie, Randy, George Lynch, Yngwie, and all the other teased hair spandex homos. I love the big dumb huge drum sounds of buttrock. I just fucking HATE the songs. They're unlistenable to me. I listened to all that hair shit before I started thinking about it. Van Halen, Ratt, Ozzy, Priest, all that stuff. But even as an 11 yr old kid I was getting really tired of the guitar solo and Waaaaaaaa vocals. I was a kid in the mid 80s, surrounded by hair and spandex, and I looked for better stuff. I'd listen to my dad's old records all the time. The Ventures was one band that I really liked, still do, without knowing anything about them. No vocals, and great guitar playing without all the flash and douchebaggery of hair rock. My friends were listening to Journey and Dokken, I listened to Jerry Lee Lewis the Beach Boys and Fats Domino. Lol. Then punk finally found me and fixed me up forever. One of the things that drew me into the Ramones sound was the blazing relentless unpretentious guitar. It never stopped. I didn't understand why the guitars sounded that way. I'd never heard anything like that. At the time the Ramones were already well established, but it was brand new to me. Totally different from all the corny buttrock that was prevalent at the time, but not as tame and timid as my dad's oldies. There was no riffing or chops. No leads. No twiddling or noodling. It was just cool melodic songs that sort of sounded like the oldies but with warped humor and a relentless rhythm section. And Johnny used Marshalls.
Thanks man. I appreciate that. I do okay for a dumb punk guitarist. As much as I love the sound and style of punk music, it probably has stunted me quite a bit as a musician. For as long as I've been playing, I think I should be WAY better on guitar and drums than I currently am. I'd really like to be better, but really, why bother? I'm as good as I need to be. I'm kind of in a rut. Not a bad rut, but where do I go from here? Nowhere. I don't know how to learn anything new. I don't know how to practice. I don't know any theory or techniques beyond the basic shit I already know. I just maintain what I have. Stylistically, if I had to choose a few guitar stars that I'd like to emulate, it would be Angus, Ace Frehley, and Slash. I like the way they play lead guitar. A little sloppy, mostly pretty basic, but they throw down cool licks that aren't guitar masturbation. I could incorporate their kinds of leads into my own stuff and it wouldn't out of place.....if only I could play like them. I just don't have the musical vocabulary. All of my leads end up sounding the same.
I'll work on getting up some tones from the different channels and modes of my JVM. I love the amp, but some of it is unusable for me. For example, the red modes of the OD channels. They're so loaded with gain that I can't utilize them. I don't know how to. I'm not a metal guy by any means, so their potential is lost on me. I don't do drop tunings or thrash, so wtf am I supposed to do with that much gain? Lol. My "Eddie" clips done with OD1 Orange mode is about the most gain I'd ever use - and that's with the gain on like 2. This amp has a whole galaxy of gain available beyond that.
I think the JVM head would be the most expensive (obviously), I could find a cab used, but to be honest, I'm really not too keen on buying used gear, unless it has some kind of warrany. A person really doesn't know what kind of abuse something's been through, & I take care of my shit, I'm actually really picky about my gear. Don't want anyone fuckin' with my stuff....period...
Yeah, GAS has hit again, I think I'll start saving again, & just hold off until I get the biggest part saved up, then go shopping....
Another amp that's caught my eye is the full sized DSL. While the DSL-1 is great & all, it doesn't have the different modes/buttons (green crunch comes to mind)...
Again, I'm just gonna start saving up & take it from there...You're right, I do get pretty decent tones from my stuff, hell, I've even learned how to tweak my ampsims to sound a lot better in the last little while, so it's not like I can't get decent sounds, I just want 'em to be...better...
On the playing thing, man, I used to have some pretty decent chops (or thought I did), but I actually stopped playing for about 7 years, didn't even pick a guitar up at all. Got back into it about 5 years ago, & I'm kinda like you, I'm as good as I need to be right now, but I do wanna get back in the "swing" like I once was, but time kills me. The shift I work fucks my whole world up, by the time I get up, it's time to go to work......like now, I've got about 30 mins & have to head out the door.....
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Greg_L
Banned
I think the JVM head would be the most expensive (obviously), I could find a cab used, but to be honest, I'm really not too keen on buying used gear, unless it has some kind of warrany. A person really doesn't know what kind of abuse something's been through, & I take care of my shit, I'm actually really picky about my gear. Don't want anyone fuckin' with my stuff....period...
Yeah, GAS has hit again, I think I'll start saving again, & just hold off until I get the biggest part saved up, then go shopping....
Another amp that's caught my eye is the full sized DSL. While the DSL-1 is great & all, it doesn't have the different modes/buttons (green crunch comes to mind)...
Again, I'm just gonna start saving up & take it from there...You're right, I do get pretty decent tones from my stuff, hell, I've even learned how to tweak my ampsims to sound a lot better in the last little while, so it's not like I can't get decent sounds, I just want 'em to be...better...
On the playing thing, man, I used to have some pretty decent chops (or thought I did), but I actually stopped playing for about 7 years, didn't even pick a guitar up at all. Got back into it about 5 years ago, & I'm kinda like you, I'm as good as I need to be right now, but I do wanna get back in the "swing" like I once was, but time kills me. The shift I work fucks my whole world up, by the time I get up, it's time to go to work......like now, I've got about 30 mins & have to head out the door.....
I understand your trepidation about buying used. Buying used gear can definitely be an iffy proposition, but I think it works out most of the time. And it's worth it in my opinion. A new JVM is $2400. That's insane. Is it worth it? Maybe, it's a killer amp, but I got mine for $1150 and it's in pristine condition. Not a nick or blemish on it and it works flawlessly. Less than half price for a fully functioning JVM in perfect condition? Yes please. What's a brand new one gonna do that mine can't?Nothing. I'd strongly suggest you look for a good deal used. The deals are out there. And sometimes you have no choice, or used is the most logical choice. My DeLorean is in the shop, so going back in time to buy my 2204 was out of the question. And cabs are simple. If it's intact and has the speakers you want, it's probably good. Lol. Ugly doesn't affect tone. I'm a fan of used....within reason. One thing about the JVMs....they have a good track record. For as complex as they are internally, there have been very few durability problems that I'm aware of - and I'm always looking. The first batches from 2007 had trouble with some fuse. I think it was a main fuse, maybe a heater fuse, whatever it was the fuse contacts would melt and potentially wipe out a section of the board. The thing is though that those fuses weren't even necessary. Rumor has it that Marshall put them in there to satisfy some industrial production code requirements in the UK. The batch of fuse holders they used for that very first run of production were faulty, and that's that. It wasn't even the unnecessarily redundant design that failed, it was the fuse contacts themselves. The fix was to remove the fuses and their holders completely and just hard-wire the connections. Once whatever agency it was that required those fuses saw that they were unnecessary, Marshall got the green light to make the amps with those fuses omitted entirely. So the very first month or so of 2007 JVM serial numbers can be iffy, but most of them have probably been fixed by now as the failure would happen pretty fast in the amp's life. Everything after that is clear sailing. Mine's a 2010 and anything related to those fuses just isn't there. Besides succumbing to operator error, I've heard of no issues or problems with JVMs. Mine's perfect, and my buddy got a 2007 post-fuse problem and his has been perfect too.
My point to all of this is there are ways to buy used with no worry. Don't buy sight-unseen from an individual. That's about the only rule you need to follow. Buying online from a retailer is fine. Buying used locally is fine because you can check it out. Guitar Center's used online section is fantastic. I highly recommend it to anyone that'll listen. You shop their nationwide used inventory online, find what you want, and buy it. They'll ship it right to you and you have 30 days to return it for a full refund no questions asked at any store. Pretty good deal if you ask me. I've bought two amps that way. My first JCM 900 MkIII was bought this way and I returned it even after the 30 days because it was a basket case. They'll work with you if you're cool about it. If you find something you like, call up the store and have one of the flunkees check it out and describe it to you. When I bought my JVM through GC used I had the guy text me some pics of it. With the pics and the 30-day guarantee, I pulled the trigger. It's been a great amp.
I'm a big fan of the DSL. I don't like it's shared EQ, but it's still a great sounding amp. Does your one watt version only have one mode per side? The big ones have Clean/Classic Crunch on one channel and "Ultra Lead" 1 & 2 on the other. The new "100H" models are great. They're asian made so who knows how they'll hold up over time, but they sound great right now. The resonance knob is the best thing ever for that amp because the deep switch sucks balls on the old ones. You could get a new DSL100H and a cab for about what a JVM head costs used, so there's a good deal too. Or you could get an original DSL used for like $500-600 bucks! Those older used DSLs are flooding the used market and people are almost giving them away. The only issue with those older DSLs that I can recall hearing about is with the speaker jacks. They can fry when using 8 ohm cabs. There's a simple fix for it, I forget what it's called. The "Joey Mod" or something like that. It's like a one wire ground across the speaker jacks or something like that. Look it up. It supposedly fixes the running multiple cabs problem.
Or just stand pat with what you have. I say go big though.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I agree with Greg .... used amps can be the best ivestment you'll ever make. A good tube amp lasts and lasts. I have 4 40 year old amps and they work like they're brand new.
As for the shared EQ thing ..... I only see that as a problem for live use. Recording it's no biggie to change the EQ knobs for each sound .... not as easy to do when gigging.
As for the shared EQ thing ..... I only see that as a problem for live use. Recording it's no biggie to change the EQ knobs for each sound .... not as easy to do when gigging.
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Greg_L
Banned
Right, yeah I meant to clarify that. Can be a big problem for live. In my experience the two channels are pretty different and definitely need different EQ settings. It's no big deal for recording, but if you do one track with one channel and another track with the other, you might need to tweak it in which case you'll wanna keep track of your settings in case you need to go back for something.
minerman
Tonetard
Oh yeah guys, by all means, if I can find a deal on a used amp, & save some $$$, that's the ticket there....I looked at a new JVM410 & 4x12 cab (GT75's btw, I'd prefer Greenbacks, so that's gonna cost a little more I'd say...), & the rig was about $3200....
But, like you mentioned Guitar Center's used stuff would probably be my best bet, & will most likely go with 'em whenever I do get enough saved up for my "big" amp......
On the DSL-1 H, it's a 2 channel amp (Ultra-Gain (red), & Classic Gain (green)), but there's no crunch button on the green channel, & IIRC, the big DSL's have a crunch/lead 2 button on the red channel, mine's just a 2 channel, shared-eq amp. But, for what it is, it does sound great (IMO anyway), blows the Tweaker completely away (except for volume/loudness & the Fender-y tones the T15 has, on the Marshall-y/Brit tones, there's no comparison at all....)...Between those 2 amps, & the shitload of ampsims/modelers I have, I can still record to my heart's content & still get pretty good tones (IMO anyway) until I do get the "big" amp...(and yes, I've spent enough on ampsims over the past 4-5 years to buy a really nice tube amp, cab, & a few mics).....A shared eq (like the DSL100/50 watter) wouldn't really matter to me, as I'm pretty sure my band days are over, but, really, you never know. The last time I had a gig was New Year's Eve 2001. Slim to none chances on the band/gig thing really, I honestly don't have the time (work), & I really got sick & tired of all the bullshit we put up with (drunks, ignorant/stupid people in general) while maybe making $100 a weekend for 2 nights (4-45 minute sets, Friday & Saturday, usually an hour drive one way, not counting loading/unloading, setting up, soundcheck, tearing down, loading the gear back up....)...
My hat's off to you Bob, for having enough patience to deal with the public the way you do....I did that shit for years, but don't think I could do it anymore, guess I'm getting older, & just can't tolerate shit like I used to....ask the guys I work with...
Anyway, gonna go grab a bite to eat, I did work on the VH tone a little more today, & I'm getting closer. To be honest, I think the reverb sound on that record has as much to do with his sound as the amp does....FWIW, I've ended up using the stock Reaper 'verb, some eq, & compressing the shit out of it, & it's a lot closer than it was, on the reverb anyway.....I'm still undecided about the actual amp/guitar tone, I'll fire up the daw after I eat & see if I'm any closer with a fresh set of ears...I won't bother you guys with the VH tone though, might post up some stuff just for shits-n-giggles though, just to keep the thread alive & kickin'....
Thanks for taking the time to help me out on the amp thing, it'll be a while before I'll be able to buy anything though, they cut our hours back at work, cut out our gas card, & now, it feels like I work for nothing really. I know I'm not the only one though, I'm actually pretty lucky to even have a job where I live, so I'm not gonna bitch too much....
See you guys in a while, if I don't pass out on the couch again....
But, like you mentioned Guitar Center's used stuff would probably be my best bet, & will most likely go with 'em whenever I do get enough saved up for my "big" amp......
On the DSL-1 H, it's a 2 channel amp (Ultra-Gain (red), & Classic Gain (green)), but there's no crunch button on the green channel, & IIRC, the big DSL's have a crunch/lead 2 button on the red channel, mine's just a 2 channel, shared-eq amp. But, for what it is, it does sound great (IMO anyway), blows the Tweaker completely away (except for volume/loudness & the Fender-y tones the T15 has, on the Marshall-y/Brit tones, there's no comparison at all....)...Between those 2 amps, & the shitload of ampsims/modelers I have, I can still record to my heart's content & still get pretty good tones (IMO anyway) until I do get the "big" amp...(and yes, I've spent enough on ampsims over the past 4-5 years to buy a really nice tube amp, cab, & a few mics).....A shared eq (like the DSL100/50 watter) wouldn't really matter to me, as I'm pretty sure my band days are over, but, really, you never know. The last time I had a gig was New Year's Eve 2001. Slim to none chances on the band/gig thing really, I honestly don't have the time (work), & I really got sick & tired of all the bullshit we put up with (drunks, ignorant/stupid people in general) while maybe making $100 a weekend for 2 nights (4-45 minute sets, Friday & Saturday, usually an hour drive one way, not counting loading/unloading, setting up, soundcheck, tearing down, loading the gear back up....)...
My hat's off to you Bob, for having enough patience to deal with the public the way you do....I did that shit for years, but don't think I could do it anymore, guess I'm getting older, & just can't tolerate shit like I used to....ask the guys I work with...
Anyway, gonna go grab a bite to eat, I did work on the VH tone a little more today, & I'm getting closer. To be honest, I think the reverb sound on that record has as much to do with his sound as the amp does....FWIW, I've ended up using the stock Reaper 'verb, some eq, & compressing the shit out of it, & it's a lot closer than it was, on the reverb anyway.....I'm still undecided about the actual amp/guitar tone, I'll fire up the daw after I eat & see if I'm any closer with a fresh set of ears...I won't bother you guys with the VH tone though, might post up some stuff just for shits-n-giggles though, just to keep the thread alive & kickin'....
Thanks for taking the time to help me out on the amp thing, it'll be a while before I'll be able to buy anything though, they cut our hours back at work, cut out our gas card, & now, it feels like I work for nothing really. I know I'm not the only one though, I'm actually pretty lucky to even have a job where I live, so I'm not gonna bitch too much....
See you guys in a while, if I don't pass out on the couch again....
groovyisland
hay wasa
you guys write alot of words
i write in haiku
usually
i write in haiku
usually
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Greg_L
Banned
That's because the cave is slow, and you're a cave troll, so you've migrated out here. Besides, you don't actually write in haiku. Not any consistent kind of haiku anyway. Just writing three lines isn't haiku. Here's some basic haiku for you:
groovyisland troll
left the cave because it sucks
still stuck in that mode
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Greg_L
Banned
Oh yeah guys, by all means, if I can find a deal on a used amp, & save some $$$, that's the ticket there....I looked at a new JVM410 & 4x12 cab (GT75's btw, I'd prefer Greenbacks, so that's gonna cost a little more I'd say...), & the rig was about $3200....
But, like you mentioned Guitar Center's used stuff would probably be my best bet, & will most likely go with 'em whenever I do get enough saved up for my "big" amp......
On the DSL-1 H, it's a 2 channel amp (Ultra-Gain (red), & Classic Gain (green)), but there's no crunch button on the green channel, & IIRC, the big DSL's have a crunch/lead 2 button on the red channel, mine's just a 2 channel, shared-eq amp. But, for what it is, it does sound great (IMO anyway), blows the Tweaker completely away (except for volume/loudness & the Fender-y tones the T15 has, on the Marshall-y/Brit tones, there's no comparison at all....)...Between those 2 amps, & the shitload of ampsims/modelers I have, I can still record to my heart's content & still get pretty good tones (IMO anyway) until I do get the "big" amp...(and yes, I've spent enough on ampsims over the past 4-5 years to buy a really nice tube amp, cab, & a few mics).....A shared eq (like the DSL100/50 watter) wouldn't really matter to me, as I'm pretty sure my band days are over, but, really, you never know. The last time I had a gig was New Year's Eve 2001. Slim to none chances on the band/gig thing really, I honestly don't have the time (work), & I really got sick & tired of all the bullshit we put up with (drunks, ignorant/stupid people in general) while maybe making $100 a weekend for 2 nights (4-45 minute sets, Friday & Saturday, usually an hour drive one way, not counting loading/unloading, setting up, soundcheck, tearing down, loading the gear back up....)...
My hat's off to you Bob, for having enough patience to deal with the public the way you do....I did that shit for years, but don't think I could do it anymore, guess I'm getting older, & just can't tolerate shit like I used to....ask the guys I work with...
Anyway, gonna go grab a bite to eat, I did work on the VH tone a little more today, & I'm getting closer. To be honest, I think the reverb sound on that record has as much to do with his sound as the amp does....FWIW, I've ended up using the stock Reaper 'verb, some eq, & compressing the shit out of it, & it's a lot closer than it was, on the reverb anyway.....I'm still undecided about the actual amp/guitar tone, I'll fire up the daw after I eat & see if I'm any closer with a fresh set of ears...I won't bother you guys with the VH tone though, might post up some stuff just for shits-n-giggles though, just to keep the thread alive & kickin'....
Thanks for taking the time to help me out on the amp thing, it'll be a while before I'll be able to buy anything though, they cut our hours back at work, cut out our gas card, & now, it feels like I work for nothing really. I know I'm not the only one though, I'm actually pretty lucky to even have a job where I live, so I'm not gonna bitch too much....
See you guys in a while, if I don't pass out on the couch again....
Right, yeah, the big DSL has the "Classic Gain" channel which has a clean/crunch button, and the "Ultra Gain" channel with lead 1/lead 2. I remember the Classic channel in crunch mode with the gain high was pretty awesome, and Ultra channel lead 1 with the gain low was awesome. The DSL is a good amp.
I really had no interest in playing guitar live until I started piling up all this stuff. I used to play a long time ago but over the past several years I've accepted that my role in live music is being the drummer. I've been a gigging drummer since high school. I played a few sporadic benefit/specialty gigs on guitar in the 90s, but it's been hundreds of drumming gigs since then. I love drumming. I love being a drummer. I hate the set up and tear down. I've trimmed my gig setup down to the most basic essentials a drummer could need. Lol. No one notices or cares. My bandmates don't care that I don't use as many toms and cymbals as I used to. It's actually been more fun to play on such a pared down kit. I write my drum parts on the big set up and record them that way, but live it's different. It's like I can breathe. I'm like "I don't have all these toms and cymabls to hit so I'm free to just do whatever". I don't have to play just like we recorded it. No one fucking knows the difference anyway unless that specific drum part is a key element to the song. So it's been cool. Playing guitar live again is like a breath of fresh air though. In my role as drummer, I'm accustomed to being in the back, ignored, getting no glory. I'm fine with that. I'm not a stick twirling showboater. I sit back there like robot and play the drums. But on guitar I'm out front again. It's an adjustment having people looking up right at me. And being the only guitar in this stupid band I'm playing with, I'm like "the guy". Guitarists and singers get all the glory, drums and bass get little to none. It's weird going back and forth. I mean really it doesn't matter to me as I don't give a fuck about anyone or anything, but it's just an interesting dichotomy to me.
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