drum bus questions

[offcenter2005]

You guys are right. You did give me advice on something that has been said a million times. I get all the basic stuff your saying. Im not looking for secrets and this actually started about fucking drum buses! I think that you guys tell people shit expecting them to be newbs and give them shit about that. I appreciate all the help but i guess i asked a question that i already know the answer to. Some one could have come up with something a little more inventive. Sorry about the confusion because the post started as a post production question not setup or a drum workshop tutorial. So maybe if anyone else who isnt interested in a computer fight would like to chime in id love it. With so much that you can do with sound im a little disappointed that this is the result of my post.

 

[offcenter2005]

I'm not offended. I'm just telling you you're wrong.

Im still not clear on what im wrong about either. If its the eq and compression thing then im wrong but i bet im not completely wrong.

 

[Greg_L]

Im still not clear on what im wrong about either. If its the eq and compression thing then im wrong but i bet im not completely wrong.

I already told you what I do and how I do it. Why don't you tell me what you think I'm doing?

Keep in mind that I already said I use EQ and compression and reverb, so you tell me what else you think I'm doing and why you think it.

 

[JimmyS1969]

I gave you some post production techniques that I use. None of it does any good it the sounds are not there to begin with. Quality gear setup properly and played by a good performer in a room that sounds good is the only way to get 'that' sound. Miss one of these and you are up shit creek.....

 

[Greg_L]

I gave you some post production techniques that I use. None of it does any good it the sounds are not there to begin with. Quality gear setup properly and played by a good performer in a room that sounds good is the only way to get 'that' sound. Miss one of these and you are up shit creek.....

Stop it. Dude is looking for harder ways to record drums. Don't go giving him common sense or right answers. He's trying to re-invent the wheel here! Support his endeavors!

 

[offcenter2005]

I gave you some post production techniques that I use. None of it does any good it the sounds are not there to begin with. Quality gear setup properly and played by a good performer in a room that sounds good is the only way to get 'that' sound. Miss one of these and you are up shit creek.....

What you said was helpful. I think greg l gets a little upset and takes this to seriously. And i do love hard ways to do things.....

 

[Greg_L]

What you said was helpful. I think greg l gets a little upset and takes this to seriously. And i do love hard ways to do things.....

Lol. Yeah, I'm upset. Says the guy getting all flustered because no one will tell him what he wants to hear.

 

[RAMI]

So maybe if anyone else who isnt interested in a computer fight would like to chime in id love it. With so much that you can do with sound im a little disappointed that this is the result of my post.

The only person "fighting" is you. Everyone else is trying to help you, but you're like a child that pouts and plays the victim when he doesn't get what he wants. You're the only one getting upset and it's pretty funny.

 

[offcenter2005]

The only person "fighting" is you. Everyone else is trying to help you, but you're like a child that pouts and plays the victim when he doesn't get what he wants. You're the only one getting upset and it's pretty funny.

Dude shut up i don't want your input cause your music says it all. That is funny! Im done with this thread. Same with punk boy. I guess I didn't want his answers cause I don't like the sound of his drums. All subjective of course. If you would like to give me an example of when i started this other than asking other questions feel free to show me. I think i might have just hit a nerve with a few of you because you couldn't give me anything that isn't recycled and unique and you mistook me digging for more detail for looking for secrets. Here is the secret, you guys should help, not fight and keep the ego shit down cause im sure no one that has posted here has a fucking Grammy sitting on their mantle. Im not letting you guys try and push me in a corner on this. I figured this would be a good way to get a conversation going to see a new idea pop up but it didnt work. Ill wait for something worth replying to from this point on. Thanks guys... And look at the post where i said gregs drums sound a little more processed than eq and compression and he started getting the ball rolling. Im not going to take shit from someone who says i dont want to hear what he has to say when he cant take a comment a little as that. Enough said.

 

[Greg_L]

Meltdown. I knew this was gonna happen.

 

[JimmyS1969]

Well, the user name seems to fit. Good luck man. I hope you find what you are looking for.

Jimmy

 

[Wish]

So greg....

Talk to me about mic placement.

I've got those Extreme Isolation headphones...the phones are weak on the high end...and I have a very difficult time trying to place a mic on the toms, as I get some bleed from the outside, and I just can't hear enough detail....so I end up with a mic, probably in a sub-optimal position.

So how do you approach mic placement? How do you deal with loud drums while placing mics (i.e. how do you hear what you are doing to make adjustments)?

And if the answer is I need to record a take...and then listen back to each invidual track and figure out what is wrong with the mic placement, and then go back and adjust the mics, record another take, rinse and repeat etc.

That's just not gonna happen. So don't tell me that answer.

How can I hear better in my headphones to adjust the mics?

Do I just need to hit them softer (but then I can't hear them as well too)?

What's the best approach here?

I can't hear.

 

[miroslav]

Meltdown. I knew this was gonna happen.

You're on a roll this week....first that Dave dude, now this.

Greg...so misunderstood by some, that they just self-combust after a few exchanges with you!
They don't know you like the rest if us.

 

[miroslav]

And if the answer is I need to record a take...and then listen back to each invidual track and figure out what is wrong with the mic placement, and then go back and adjust the mics, record another take, rinse and repeat etc.

That's just not gonna happen. So don't tell me that answer.

How can I hear better in my headphones to adjust the mics?

So...you want to make decisions about mic placement through drum isolation headphones while you play???
That's a bit tough.

Either someone ELSE has to listen through the monitors and come adjust mics while YOU play...or it's the other approach that you don't want to hear about. You doing it yourself.
Look...the first couple of times it's a PITA...play, stop, listen to track, adjust mics...repeat...etc...
...but once you LEARN what the different positions and different mics do...after that you'll be able to set up mics pretty easy on the first try.
You gotta go through the trail-by-error process to find out what the different moves do in your space with your kit and your playing and your music...etc...you gotta learn for yourself.
Someone on the Internet telling you to just put a mic in *this* spot...may or may not work for your situation.

 

[Greg_L]

Wish, you gotta listen to the playback. Sorry.

 

[Greg_L]

You're on a roll this week....first that Dave dude, now this.

Greg...so misunderstood by some, that they just self-combust after a few exchanges with you!
They don't know you like the rest if us.

Lol. I'm like the pied piper in a fucking mental ward.

 

[offcenter2005]

Ha! you prove to be a one sided musician. Im sure with all of your simplicity you think you show a handle on something that is not as simple as eq and compression. But if that gets people thinking you are great at what you do then I admire your ability to fool them. Your drums sound too tight in the kick and snare for no gating for one . And they are very uniform for using compression sparingly. Even the tone really dont alter when rolling or doing kick trips. Also i found your write up about drum mixing somewhere. It says that you get accused of using samples in your kick and snare sometimes and i have no doubt that you layer at least. The best way to make people think you are great is to intelligently trick them into believing that. Im not convinced but I also don't care. I don't give a shit if someone takes a fucking frying pan and uses it for a hi hat, as long as it sounds good. But dont call a frying pan a hi hat if its not. No meltdown here on my end. Even in this pointless argument Ive learned a thing or two. For reference look up mixing tips on the web from pros and they process the shit out of everything. And they admit it! Its not ever what you use but if i use 400 plugs on the kick alone ill say i used 400 plugs on the kick alone. It would be great to have every mix project that comes my way recorded with the best mic placement etc. but that's not the real world. "Learn your limitations and work around them". Sorry to others who i offended but Regardless of my personal tastes ill never get stuck in that mind set far enough to be afraid of going past my comfort zone to learn. Its music not rocket science. Science is a job and experimenting is art. You must be the site asshole cause you come across a little condescending. But its cool as long as you are happy with your sound. Im not happy with what i do and probably never will be but i guarantee that ill keep learning as much as I can the whole way.

 

[Greg_L]

Summary please. I'm sure your raging rant is stellar, but I'm not reading all that. Take a breath, calm down, and start over.

 

[Wish]

Wish, you gotta listen to the playback. Sorry.

 

[Greg_L]

Or you can just not care about source sounds or technique or good playing and do like this offcenter character does and just throw edits and plug-ins and parallel compressors and samples and multi-band compression and side-chaining and whatever else at it and then get really mad on the Internet.