Newbie question (what kind of Equipment for making home recording)
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Jim lad gets my vote to head up the HR diplomatic corps........Hey Mol Kres:
I'll answer your question before I sign off here. Don't be too disheartened. If you're guilty of anything, it's just "Poor Timing". Your question is asked and answered several times a week and that fact has been up for discussion in recent days. All of the folks here have patiently answered this question over and over and will probably go back to taking turns at it in short order.
Now to answer your question and in no way to put you off, (we actually want you to join us) take the time to read through this thread. http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm
It's an excellent introduction to Home Recording.
Come on back in when you're done and let us know what kind of gear you are interested in.
We'll all be glad to give you some pointers.
Bisson, I understand where you are coming from but none of the guys that answered are being awkward, though it may, on first viewing seem like that. Just out of interest, I went to the first year of the newbies forum from 1999-2000 to see what it was like back in the day. Amazingly, it's just like it is now ! Repeat questions, vague questions, some good questions. Many totally ignored questions.
A quick story; When I first started my current job in 1997, every morning, my colleague would arrive and ask me "are you busy ?" or "have you got much on today ?". We're delivery men and all the stuff we have to deliver is layed out the night before for us to load into our vans in the morning before setting off to do our thing. You'd have to be Ray Charles or Blind Lemon Jefferson not to see the utter mound of goods there. But every day, the same question. After a year, it got wearing. After two and a half years, I, who am pretty calm in the most trying of circumstances, snapped "Can't you see for yourself !". Had he been blind or phoning me, I wouldn't have snapped but for 30 months he could see my enormous load there !
My point is that when the same thing comes up again and again and again, several times a day, every day of each year, it becomes wearing. Jim lad put the current dilema beautifully. And while I understand gafadi's point about sometimes having searched and not found the answer, the answers here don't pertain to that situation. I accept that sometimes people are rude, unhelpful and treat newbies like shit simply because they don't know, which is daft. But underlying many answers is the desire to encourage newbies to help themselves. There are numerous threads that painstakingly go through the A-Z of particular processes. What would be worse is if people with experience got so tired of the same question coming up that they did what your opening sentence suggests. Posting something is often a sign of a level of caring. Obviously not every time, but much of the time.
While your answer was a damn good one, in a sense it highlights the particular problem that the OP's question raises. You assume they're going digital but the OP was so vague in their question that it's unsafe to assume anything. And that's partly why some of the replies that came forth did so. It was as informative a question as asking "I want to fall in love. How do I do this ?".
Steady on old chap !its allright these so called old users are very brutal to newbiesits like getting virtually raped in this forum....
Armistice
Son of Yoda
i am pretty sure these hardass pro's here will show you right directions and whats best for your money.
No-one here is a hardass - most are genuinely helpful, but get a little irked by people who ask extremely vague questions as first post then, when asked for further information, never reappear.
So the standard response for people like mol-kres, who is undoubtedly long gone, is to read the information that's been provided time and time again, then come back and ask a more focused question that we can reasonably help them with.
As well, we spend a significant amount of time countering the advice given by other newbies who actually know little more than the people they're trying to help and often steer them in unwise directions.
There's also a sense of camaraderie around the joint and regular newbie helpers will joke with each other, sometimes at the newb's expense - big deal - it's not a paid service, you know... we're not breaching SLAs or quality standards...
Most newbies fit in quite well if they approach it in the right manner and are very welcome - some are beyond help or scare too easily..
G
gafadi
New member
Yea Yea , you are the good guy and newbies are pure evils who emerged from devils souls and with your grace we may be pure in future.
All he asked was what should he do to build a home studio , i dont see the need for you to show a link to some Pro studio material and tell him people start usually with this kind of stuff. Or bunch of other rude stuff that you guys started with. If it bothers so much , then go to other sections , leave newbie sections for newbie , there are people in this forums who reply such stupid threads for us newbies sake , like Bisson820 did which was all he needed , then could have looked for thread which are about cheapest or good quality equipments and stuff.
Remember what the forums says, "Just starting? Afraid to ask a stupid question? Don't worry, in here nobody will laugh at you. But if it's on a topic covered in another forum, best to post it there"
So why do you expect intellectual stuff from the newbies ? He seriously didnt know where to start from , he doesn't even know whats the basics of a studio. I was at same phase once, i looked around once and guess what ? all the threads there was were mentioning these instruments and equipments and stuff but i didnt know where to start. I made a post in a forums and they answered that i need a PC , Audio interface, a decent monitors or headphones , a Mic and some software. And then if he posts what i need for studio then it would be pretty stupid. But if he doesn't know , that means he doesn't know.
You and couple of your buddies are quite the bullies in this newbie section , you did the same thing to my thread ,made me feel like a retard . You do same in other threads and you did same in this one. You may feel like you are just making a joke , but when we come to these forums looking for help . That kind of makes you not do it , somewhat discouraging.
If the mods and admins have problems with newbie posting such stuff, i am pretty sure they will clean it up , making fun of him or saying go look for threads didnt help him , how do i know ? i was at the same place and it obviously didnt help.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
guitaristic
prophet of Dave
They aren't bullies...they just want people to do their research first before asking questions.
Example-- I'm pretty sure I saw somebody asking around on one of these forums if he could record his vocals in midi.
That question is so wrong that no one should have to answer it.
As for me, when I started out, I found the tweakheadz link. After reading some of that, I went out and got Home Recording for Dummies. If I had a question about a certain piece of equipment, I would just use the search option! I lurked on these forums for quite awhile before even becoming a member here. As a result, I had a good starting grasp on things when I jumped in!
As for the mods and admins cleaning up repetitive questions...I'm sure they would like to. However, I'm also sure that they would much rather have a life, cause that would take a while
Jim Lad
New member
Okay:
I'm not going to pick on you here. You just happen to be the most recent post and I'm going to chip in. So ... guns in their holsters boys.
I know where you're coming from with that statement and I'll give you a few reasons why I think it's wrong.
a) The newbie comes in knowing nothing and for that reason alone, does not know what to ask or where to look or even what information to look for when he/she gets there. So what is the point of a "Sticky Thread" for someone who doesn't even know what a "Sticky Thread" is?
b) Given that there are several midi controllers on the market with XLRs & preamps that serve as Audio Interfaces, that was a perfectly reasonable question. Shows that the individual has tried looking for the information but couldn't come up with it.
c) A lot of newbies are my age. I'm 55 and haven't been at this for 3 years yet. Go easy!
d) So far, all we have succeeded in doing is embarrassing Tim from using his usual copy, which many of you seem to enjoy so much. I like Tim (We were born on the exact same day) but I much prefer to use a more personalized response.
e) It's been said before, If it bothers you today, don't post. Wait until you're in a good mood. Somebody else will carry it for a while.
Personally: I'm tired of recommending the Zoom R16 and The M-Audio Fast Track Pro (make sure it says "Pro"), so I'm staying away from those for a while.
Besides, given the number of clients I've sent to B&H, Musician's Friend and Z Sounds, you'd think somebody would have sent me a box of chocolates.
As you can see, Guitaristic, I'm only using your post as an example so please don't kill me.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
But, but, Jim, you're a diplomat !
Point [a] I'm totally with you on, the first bit. The second bit I think you'll find is a mixed bag. In the sticky Tim thread, the main reason I advocated that idea was that whenever you hit the newbie page, the stickys are there before anything else that comes up so you don't need to know it's a sticky or what a sticky is. It will be the first thing you see. Whether one reads it them or not is something we can only guess at. My guess is that some will, some won't.
Point I won't fight - but the issue afoot was never whether the question was reasonable or not. Personally I thought it was vague or perhaps vast in scope without knowing a few details (I play X/ I want to record 3 of us/ it's me and my wife/ I play bouzouki and drums.... that kind of thing} but that's neither here nor there. People should ask all kinds of questions in a newbie forum. But is it unreasonable to say, as Massive did, this has been covered many times, do a search and then come back with specific questions that people can really help you with ? I don't think people should be rude and I hate that but is it unreasonable to point someone who, as you say, knows nothing or where to find anything, in a direction where they can familiarize themselves with the options instead of telling them "get this and that" ?
guitaristic
prophet of Dave
As you can see, Guitaristic, I'm only using your post as an example so please don't kill me.
Fiiiiiiiine, but just this once.
I can see your point!
kcearl
I see deaf people
Hey welcome and its allright these so called old users are very brutal to newbies
What they dont seem to get is this is newbie section and we are newbie , yes we can read the threads but we always dont find what we want, the other guys making the post might have a $500 budget and i might have a $2k budget , so the equipments recommended in that thread may not be the best for my buck.
Anyway like they said there are 1000's of threads on this topic but the best thing to do would be to think for a minute ( how much can i pay , what kind of room am i setting it up for , what kind of gig is this )
Because there are thousands of equipments for setting up and it all depends on what kind of setup you are looking for and whats the budget.
After you get a clear picture of what kind of money you are going to spent on this , i am pretty sure these hardass pro's here will show you right directions and whats best for your money.
Guys if you dont wanna answer the question then why post anything at all or even open the thread?
jesus, he just wants some help.
anyways..
I'd first like to ask with how much are you willing to spend and what kind of stuff oyu wanna record because every instrument needs different things (more or less)
if youre going digital, as i would assume... you will need an interface, most of which come with recording software you need.
you will need these no matter what.
Computer
Interface
Software
Microphone(s)
Instrument
The signal path is this... Instrument > Microphone > Interface > Computer > Software
Lets say your singing!
Electric guitar? either mic your amp and follow the same process or perhaps you want to go directly into the interface? well if you're doing that... then you will need some kind of amplification... for that you can get a DI box pretty cheaply. that path would be this... Guitar > effects pedals (if any) from there plug into your DI box or whatever form of preamplification you will have. from there plug into your interface and then so on.
same applies to bass.
Drums? harder....
for drums you will need at least 2 mics.. (i use 7 or 8).... its nice to be able to mic each piece of the kit... but if your budget doesnt allow it.. you can get away with 2 if you practice placement... it wont nearly have the same professional sound but like i said..y ou can get by that way... with 2 mics i would mic the kick with a dynamic mic and then an overhead condenser mic. if you can muster 3 mics then micing the snare is nice, with which i would use the shure sm57.
any questions? i know there can be plenty..
Guys...I am a friend of all newbies..i was a newbie not long ago..I still am in many ways
Peace to the global noobs
I wished Id came here and went to this section and asked the exact same question the OP did..and I wished some one had said
this is infinitely more informative than any one post here...its written in easy to understand plain English...and will give the OP the advantage of being able to ask more specific questions in order to gather better information and reach smaller goals quicker, in the future, without have to wade through pages of posts..
no old head here..Armistice is a cheeky bugger but there is no one here out to give n00bs a hard time..not in this thread
kcearl
I see deaf people
go ask what mic a should I use to sound like this...is the Art MP a good pre amp...or why doesnt my mix sound good like the professionals..
then you'll see some arseholes surface
then you'll see some arseholes surface
Jim Lad
New member
I still remember my first thread on the subject.
It was in mudcat.org.
I asked "How do I get my voice from the microphone, into the computer".
Something like that and it's not all that long ago.
It was in mudcat.org.
I asked "How do I get my voice from the microphone, into the computer".
Something like that and it's not all that long ago.
kcearl
I see deaf people
my one went along the lines of getting shit results out of my dynamic mic even with the phantom power on
so i was at least a wee bit more advanced than you lol
i never went back after the ribbing they gave me
M
moresound
Loud Sun Studios
He's my first post....
OK you F**kers Now what the Hell is going on and what the F**k do I do now.
But that was on the short bus over at A&A and Kcearl had to step in and save my life.
OK you F**kers Now what the Hell is going on and what the F**k do I do now.
But that was on the short bus over at A&A and Kcearl had to step in and save my life.
Washburn100
New member
Ah, the good old days. I started late, so I was an old noob!
After all these years, I'm glad I now have a good understanding of all this stuff.
So, anyone know how to make my mixes sound better, louder too!
old noob!After all these years, I'm glad I now have a good understanding of all this stuff.
So, anyone know how to make my mixes sound better, louder too!
Jim Lad
New member
You can turn it down or you can turn it up but you can't do both.
So which would you like, louder or better?
EDIT
Hey! I found it.
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=98148
January 2007. That's when I first asked about recording onto a computer.
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Washburn100
New member
You can turn it down or you can turn it up but you can't do both.
So which would you like, louder or better?
Sounds like when I barbecue, you want it fast and hard or slow and.... no wait, that's not my cooking, that's... huh, hello, is this thing on...
kcearl
I see deaf people
You can turn it down or you can turn it up but you can't do both.
So which would you like, louder or better?
EDIT
Hey! I found it.
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=98148
January 2007. That's when I first asked about recording onto a computer.
one of them told you to use a "small baox"...you shouldve went to an english speaking site first
Jim Lad
New member
So we're all agreed then?
Kingofpain678
Returned from the dead
Wtf?
The most useful thread in the newbies forum right now and it's f*cking worthless to the OP cause he shit his pants and ran off cause we didn't spoon feed him.
Here's an idea, Give the information to a newb who IS ACTUALLY STILL HERE and plans on STAYING.
Seriously... Wtf? Wtf was the point of all this information in this particular thread when it's nothing but wasted effort?
The most useful thread in the newbies forum right now and it's f*cking worthless to the OP cause he shit his pants and ran off cause we didn't spoon feed him.
Here's an idea, Give the information to a newb who IS ACTUALLY STILL HERE and plans on STAYING.
Seriously... Wtf? Wtf was the point of all this information in this particular thread when it's nothing but wasted effort?
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