Anyone need an old multitrack separated?

[boblybob]

I'm bored, so I was wondering if anyone has any old multitracks laying around that need separating. If you want, pm me the track. I'd love to give it a shot.

Mainly, it'd be useful for old 50's, 60's, 70's recordings that are recorded to 2-4 tracks. Your old 2-tracks would become 6, 4 becomes 9, etc. You could clean them up, eq each individual instrument, remix.

I'd love to help anyone.

 

[Massive Master]

And how exactly do you go about deconstructing finished mixes...?

 

[TheChikenMaster]

Yeah that is a bit weird.

 

[M1Fanatic]

I'd sure like to know how that's done.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

And how exactly do you go about deconstructing finished mixes...?

He rips them into rough pieces using a spectral editor. He thinks he's discovered the newest version of sliced bread, and has been coming on here trying to make a cottage industry out of it.

Check out this thread for the last time he tried selling this idea. What he does is fine for forensic data extraction, but it's of only marginal use for musical engineering purposes; it creates almost as much artifacting distortion as it's intended to try and solve.

G.

 

[RRuskin]

He rips them into rough pieces using a spectral editor. He thinks he's discovered the newest version of sliced bread, and has been coming on here trying to make a cottage industry out of it.

Check out this thread for the last time he tried selling this idea. What he does is fine for forensic data extraction, but it's of only marginal use for musical engineering purposes; it creates almost as much artifacting distortion as it's intended to try and solve.

G.

I do quite a bit of analog recovery and transfer to digital at my studio but with the proper equipment. I've kept all of my older playback gear so that I can deal with cassette, reel to reel, ADAT DTRS and even open reel PCM. What the op is proposing is a bit ridiculous, imho.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

I do quite a bit of analog recovery and transfer to digital at my studio but with the proper equipment. I've kept all of my older playback gear so that I can deal with cassette, reel to reel, ADAT DTRS and even open reel PCM. What the op is proposing is a bit ridiculous, imho.

The ironic (to put it generously) part of it is that the sample he provides - an old Leadbelly mono recording of just spartan guitar and vocal - demonstrates perfectly the shortcomings of the approach. The artifacting of the guitar all over the vocal is obvious and distracting, though the OP apparently can't hear it. While he does manage to very roughly split the recording into synthesized stereo, the cost in artifacting IMHO outweighs the benefit of the synthetic separation. Trying to do it with a more sophisticated arrangement with more overlapping instrumentation is futile for anybody with a critical musical ear.

It's a neat idea and a neat trick, but the state of the technology is not there yet from a musical engineering perspective, even with advanced tools like harmonic detection and filtering. It would take a *lot* more AI processing than even the best spectral editors can now muster, and even then I'd have to hear it to believe it.

G.

 

[miroslav]

Anyone need an old multitrack separated?

I thought he just wanted to part out old multitrack decks for their scrap metal value...its will sound the same!

 

[Waltz Mastering]

What the op is proposing is a bit ridiculous, imho.

...but not out of the question. From what I've read and seen, ReNOVAtor is a pretty slick program. With stuff like that and Melodyne DNA, I think it's cool to see how far the limits can be pushed. I don't see the harm in what is posted.

 

[mattr]

Expensive audio forensic software, same kind they used for separating tracks on The Beatles: Rock Band

Translated: cracked torrent copy of iZotope RX

 

[gtrman_66]

No, but my wife screwed up and used a very old, expensive bottle of tequila I was saving to make frozen margaritas. Can you unblend it and get the tequila back into the bottle for me?

thanks!

 

[boblybob]

Wow, nice to see the age of people around here.

You guys are acting like I'm wanting payment for this, I'm obviously retarded and think I'm magic.

Quote:
Expensive audio forensic software, same kind they used for separating tracks on The Beatles: Rock Band

Translated: cracked torrent copy of iZotope RX

This post made me realize nearly all of you have no idea in hell what Algorithimix Renovator is. Did you guys even bother to look it up?

iZotope RX is for cleaning songs, it can't remove or isolate the spectrum at all.
Go find out about it Renovator and then talk, no more "He's using Adobe Audition!"

He rips them into rough pieces using a spectral editor. He thinks he's discovered the newest version of sliced bread, and has been coming on here trying to make a cottage industry out of it.

Check out this thread for the last time he tried selling this idea. What he does is fine for forensic data extraction, but it's of only marginal use for musical engineering purposes; it creates almost as much artifacting distortion as it's intended to try and solve.

G.

Your acting like I came in here acting like a pompous asshole who thinks I'm better then everyone.

No, but my wife screwed up and used a very old, expensive bottle of tequila I was saving to make frozen margaritas. Can you unblend it and get the tequila back into the bottle for me?

thanks!

And you, this is the exact same thinking when they said the world was round or the sun was the center of the solar system.

So... Yeah, I'm surprised at your reactions.

 

[mattr]

iZotope RX is for cleaning songs, it can't remove or isolate the spectrum at all.
Go find out about it Renovator and then talk, no more "He's using Adobe Audition!"

My bad on the software front... I didn't see you'd actually named what you used, just saw that you'd called it "expensive forensic audio software, which is still a bit of an embellishment for the software you mentioned.

On the the topic of RX... I tried out the demo when it was first released and it does feature a very powerful and well-respected set of features (including a good spectral editor). May I point out that Renovator also markets itself as a kind of restoration tool and is even sold as being "easy to handle", not a super-amazing-I'm-a-forensic-audio-guy-get-out-my-way-n00bs-super-song-destruction-toolkit.

From what I've skim-read of the other thread it seems you don't like criticism, which has probably provoked the kind of reactions you've received... if you come here saying you want practise and to improve, then refuse to listen to any criticism you might receive, people are going to get annoyed and tell it to you like it is rather than being polite.

So here's some criticism for you Those audio samples in the other thread sound fairly nasty, and if that's what you get from trying to split a simple guitar and vocal solo then I hate to think what a more complicated arrangement would sound like! I'm not denying that this kind of thing is possible to one extent or another - some of the software out nowadays can do some amazing things (thinking Melodyne DNA) - but I think you need to be a bit more realistic with what you are trying to achieve.

 

[TheChikenMaster]

So here's some criticism for you Those audio samples in the other thread sound fairly nasty, and if that's what you get from trying to split a simple guitar and vocal solo then I hate to think what a more complicated arrangement would sound like! I'm not denying that this kind of thing is possible to one extent or another - some of the software out nowadays can do some amazing things (thinking Melodyne DNA) - but I think you need to be a bit more realistic with what you are trying to achieve.

In short you wasted your money to produce utter trash. (he was being too nice)

 

[Massive Master]

Nothing against Renovator - It's a great plug, as is RX, as are the Samp tools, etc.

But they don't deconstruct mixes into their parts...

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

I'd like to know how a guy with no ears who comes in here making exaggerated claims about what he can do should be answered. I have been fair, if strong, in my response when I said what you can do is fine for forensic data extraction, but it just is not sufficient for music re-engineering. That is truth.

The fact that you can't even hear the artifacting in your samples is no help for your case either, because that only shows that you're either trying to blow smoke, in personal denial, or aurally inequiped to handle the job.

And your crack demonstrating your penchant for ageism is completely inappropriate and uncalled for. Between just three of us who have replied, you've got close to 3/4 of a century of combined experience in audio and music mixing and mastering, audio recovery and restoration, critical data recovery, and audio software development.

And it's not like we all stopped learning back when fire was invented. I am quite familiar with your over-priced toy, and what it can and cannot do, and what you claim to do with it borders on self-delusion.

G.

 

[TheChikenMaster]

The fact that you can't even hear the artifacting in your samples is no help for your case either, because that only shows that you're either trying to blow smoke, in personal denial, or aurally inequiped to handle the job.

G.

Case closed.

 

[boblybob]

http://www.cedar-audio.com/news/ibs_lecture2009.html

EXACT same thing I'm doing.

Cedar Retouch isn't marketed for instrument removal/isolation, yet they used it (successfully) for Rock Band.

Sorry for trying to show what can be possible in the future, guess it's back to old Lead Belly songs.

 

[Bristol Posse]

If you're really bored a want to practice track separationjust load up a CD.
Separate all the instruments in a symphony, or each individaul vocal line in a Queen vocal harmony. Seems like that should keep anyone busy.
Then post the amazing results and quiet the nay sayers

If you're bored and are just looking to toot your own horn and fight with people on the internet that's cool too. Seems like lots of us are bored too and so will indulge you by biting at the bait

 

[OneWerd]

Ha!