Chipped My Nut!

[Victory Pete]

It sounds as if you have it covered for your style and requirement. If the way you tune works for you and gives acceptable intonation that's the battle won.

The tuning method described in the primer is kind of doing exactly what you describe.



Yes correct. Thats why you see compensated saddles on guitars and why the off set is greater with heavier strings.

Ultimately the aim is to make the best of a compromised system and the two most important considerations are. Does it sound in tune to you and does it play in tune with others. Get that much and you are good to go.

Those compensated nuts are not going to help you at all. A good setup and technique will.

I agree. It has also occurred to me that the greater saddle offset for bigger strings is also due to the fact there is a "theoretical dead point" where the string passes over the saddle. the actual vibrating part of the string doesnt start right at the saddle. The bigger the string the longer this "dead spot" is, requiring more compensation. It is also interesting to note that the angle of the saddles stays consistent until you get to the plain strings, here the saddle is further away from the neck. I believe this is because the plain steel strings are stiffer than its wound counterparts and has longer "dead spots" so it has to be compensated more. It is also interesting to see the remaining saddles follow roughly the same angle. I can usually get an idea if a guitar is misintonated by looking at this stepped angle pattern. Of course you really have to listen and use a tuner.
VP

 

[miroslav]

OK...thanks…that's good to know.

I've been basically working the G-string anomalies with technique as I can't see how to permanently remove them.

I've found that if I set the G where it's almost in-tune for single notes...maybe a pinch flat...I can then play chords in-tune, but during leads I know enough to just "dig-in" a pinch harder on the G-string notes...and in doing so I can compensate for that "pinch flat" setting.

Likewise, when I play up in 1st position and have to hit open strings...I make sure to be very light in my touch on the fretted strings so they are not too sharp for them.

I've just wondered if I should try tuning the D and B strings with any amount of offset to ET. Would that help the G-string issue or just cause me more things I have to worry about since then I would have 3 strings to finesse instead of just the one...???


Thoughts?

 

[muttley600]

OK...thanks…that's good to know.

I've been basically working the G-string anomalies with technique as I can't see how to permanently remove them.

I've found that if I set the G where it's almost in-tune for single notes...maybe a pinch flat...I can then play chords in-tune, but during leads I know enough to just "dig-in" a pinch harder on the G-string notes...and in doing so I can compensate for that "pinch flat" setting.

Likewise, when I play up in 1st position and have to hit open strings...I make sure to be very light in my touch on the fretted strings so they are not too sharp for them.

I've just wondered if I should try tuning the D and B strings with any amount of offset to ET. Would that help the G-string issue or just cause me more things I have to worry about since then I would have 3 strings to finesse instead of just the one...???


Thoughts?

Personally I think you pretty much have it down from the sound of it. I use a wound G but that's because it suits my style of playing. There really is no catch all for all situations and all keys. It's a compromise we just have to accept.

 

[muttley600]

It has also occurred to me that the greater saddle offset for bigger strings is also due to the fact there is a "theoretical dead point" where the string passes over the saddle. the actual vibrating part of the string doesnt start right at the saddle.

The bigger the string the longer this "dead spot" is, requiring more compensation.

Lets deal with this first.

Keep in mind that I have studied, measured and published on the nature and behaviour of vibrating musical instrument strings and know how they behave directly at the "fixed point" and the reasons for the way they behave as they do.

Cite some evidence please.

Thanks for your input on this.

 

[Victory Pete]

Lets deal with this first.

Keep in mind that I have studied, measured and published on the nature and behaviour of vibrating musical instrument strings and know how they behave directly at the "fixed point" and the reasons for the way they behave as they do.

Cite some evidence please.

Thanks for your input on this.

The only "evidence" I have has been in my hands tonight inspiring me to make majic! I cant wait to finish my studio renovation and getting some of this "evidence" on tape.
VP

 

[Kingofpain678]

The only "evidence" I have has been in my hands tonight inspiring me to make majic! I cant wait to finish my studio renovation and getting some of this "evidence" on tape.
VP

Me too.
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[Lt. Bob]

The only "evidence" I have has been in my hands tonight inspiring me to make majic! I cant wait to finish my studio renovation and getting some of this "evidence" on tape.
VP

Me too.
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me three! ....

 

[muttley600]

The only "evidence" I have has been in my hands tonight inspiring me to make majic! I cant wait to finish my studio renovation and getting some of this "evidence" on tape.
VP

So once again what you're saying is that you have no evidence and you are talking bullshit again and filling up perfectly good threads with your trolling nonsense.

OK so long as thats clear.

 

[Victory Pete]

So once again what you're saying is that you have no evidence and you are talking bullshit again and filling up perfectly good threads with your trolling nonsense.

OK so long as thats clear.

Is everyone you challenge suppose to promptly produce "evidence" for what they experience and as to what works for them? I bet the majority of people believe different material will affect the sound of a guitar. Lets have a poll.
VP

 

[Milnoque]

How do you mean that?

Maybe I wasn't clear...the epoxy is ONLY on the top of the nut...the portion that chipped off.
I didn't epoxy the entire nut in place.
If I need to remove that nut for full replacement...it will come out just like any other nut.
Like I said...it took a bit of effort, but much less time than it would have taken to remove the nut, cut a new one, and then slot it properly.
If the chip was big enough to affect the string placement...then I would have replaced it...but it was just the very corner/end, and while it didn't impact the string so much....it looked like a broken tooth!

My bad, Please accept my apology.

 

[muttley600]

Is everyone you challenge suppose to promptly produce "evidence" for what they experience and as to what works for them? I bet the majority of people believe different material will affect the sound of a guitar. Lets have a poll.
VP

You said this and stated it as a fact.

I agree. It has also occurred to me that the greater saddle offset for bigger strings is also due to the fact there is a "theoretical dead point" where the string passes over the saddle. the actual vibrating part of the string doesnt start right at the saddle. The bigger the string the longer this "dead spot" is, requiring more compensation.
VP

I was intrigued as to what this fact is based on from my academic position as a musical acoustician. The normal course of events in academia or any scientific environment is to provide reference or evidence to any such claims.
That is all I asked for.

I take it you have evidence to support your statement of fact? Once we have examined it we can move on to discussing your observations and experience.

Thanks for your tolerance with me and for bringing this previously unknown phenomena to my attention.

Feel free to start any poll you feel may enhance the perspective on this or any other matter.

 

[Victory Pete]

You said this and stated it as a fact.




I was intrigued as to what this fact is based on from my academic position as a musical acoustician. The normal course of events in academia or any scientific environment is to provide reference or evidence to any such claims.
That is all I asked for.

I take it you have evidence to support your statement of fact? Once we have examined it we can move on to discussing your observations and experience.

Thanks for your tolerance with me and for bringing this previously unknown phenomena to my attention.

Feel free to start any poll you feel may enhance the perspective on this or any other matter.

Well, of course this is my own belief and my theory at this point. It may well be fact but I dont have the time to do research on everything I believe in, who does? Are you telling me what I described doesnt exist? If you are I will say "bullshit" Look at any line that is suspended beween 2 points and notice how stiff the line is right at the ends. there can be no movement right at these points, it is common sense. I dont know how to start a poll, How is it done?
VP

 

[muttley600]

Well, of course this is my own belief and my theory at this point. It may well be fact but I dont have the time to do research on everything I believe in, who does? Are you telling me what I described doesnt exist? If you are I will say "bullshit" Look at any line that is suspended beween 2 points and notice how stiff the line is right at the ends. there can be no movement right at these points, it is common sense. I dont know how to start a poll, How is it done?
VP

Again you have typed yourself into a hole right there VP. Well done once again.

 

[Victory Pete]

Again you have typed yourself into a hole right there VP. Well done once again.

Do you even try to understand what anybody is saying? Or do you just automatically start naysaying?
VP

 

[Victory Pete]

Again you have typed yourself into a hole right there VP. Well done once again.

It is funny that not once have you ever agreed with any one little thing I have said. Surely anybody would actually state something that was true according to you. But no, everytime I state something I believe in you cut me down. Sounds like a biased vendetta! Do you feel threatened and insecure?
VP

 

[muttley600]

Do you even try to understand what anybody is saying?
VP

Hmm let me see....

Cite some evidence please.

Thanks for your input on this.

The normal course of events in academia or any scientific environment is to provide reference or evidence to any such claims.
That is all I asked for.

I take it you have evidence to support your statement of fact?

Thanks for your tolerance with me and for bringing this previously unknown phenomena to my attention.

Does that answer your question.

 

[Victory Pete]

Hmm let me see....









Does that answer your question.

No, you never answer any of my questions, you just twist everything around to suit your ego.
VP

 

[muttley600]

It is funny that not once have you ever agreed with any one little thing I have said.
VP

Like I have said before. When I see bullshit I call it for what it is. Just telling me that your opinions and experiences are as valid as three thousand years of scientific research isn't really going to cut it with me.

Surely anybody would actually state something that was true according to you. But no, everytime I state something I believe in you cut me down.

I don't understand the first sentence but if you state that you believe something to be true when it isn't and you offer it up as qualified fact and advice I'm going to call you out on it.

Sounds like a biased vendetta! Do you feel threatened and insecure?

If that's the way you see that's fine. Frankly I can't really raise the energy to be threatened by a trolling idiot on the interwebs.

All I've ever asked of you is to provide fact or qualify your statements to some degree. If you can't take it when others tell you that you are wrong then maybe you need to look to yourself because you are not disagreeing with me you are disagreeing with those three thousand years of science.

 

[muttley600]

No, you never answer any of my questions, you just twist everything around to suit your ego.
VP

So you are saying that me asking you for evidence or something other than your own opinion is not trying to understand what you are saying?

 

[Victory Pete]

Like I have said before. When I see bullshit I call it for what it is. Just telling me that your opinions and experiences are as valid as three thousand years of scientific research isn't really going to cut it with me.

I don't understand the first sentence but if you state that you believe something to be true when it isn't and you offer it up as qualified fact and advice I'm going to call you out on it.

If that's the way you see that's fine. Frankly I can't really raise the energy to be threatened by a trolling idiot on the interwebs.

All I've ever asked of you is to provide fact or qualify your statements to some degree. If you can't take it when others tell you that you are wrong then maybe you need to look to yourself because you are not disagreeing with me you are disagreeing with those three thousand years of science.

You are a broken record!
VP