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Ride
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Yes I think you are right. Thank You for motivating me. After about 65 recordings with a click track my timing and overall sound is, I think, improving.
Yes I think you are right. Thank You for motivating me. After about 65 recordings with a click track my timing and overall sound is, I think, improving.
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Harvey Gerst
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If that were the case, I would hire some studio players.
ez_willis
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Well that isn't really letting a band play the way they are most comfortable, is it?
Also, that isn't the right approach. Our band was a helluva lot better AFTER we did the 6 weeks of pre-production. The 18 months of touring we did after it led to some great rock and roll shows that increased record sales. We tracked sales in regions following tours. There was always a boost. Studio musicians wouldn't have helped that at all.
ez_willis
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...and believe me, that was a motivating factor. they told the drummer and I that if we couldn't improve we wouldn't be on the record.
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Harvey Gerst
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I think you're missing my point. Two examples:
Studio B: A drum circle group came in and wanted to have a CD they could sell at shows. Very limited budget. The "song" was 35 minutes long, consisting of varying drum rhythms and some chanting. I added some special effects and they were happy - no click track was ever suggested.
Studio A: Free Reign, a group made up of three Dallas Cowboys, came in and worked on the first three songs for their new album. We used a click track because:
1. Cory Proctor was a little rusty on drums, and
2. We knew we might hafta do some drum aligning, or
3. Replace some hits with samples.
Using other musicians was not an option, and the record company wanted radio-friendly hits. So, a click track was absolutely necessary.
Studio B: A drum circle group came in and wanted to have a CD they could sell at shows. Very limited budget. The "song" was 35 minutes long, consisting of varying drum rhythms and some chanting. I added some special effects and they were happy - no click track was ever suggested.
Studio A: Free Reign, a group made up of three Dallas Cowboys, came in and worked on the first three songs for their new album. We used a click track because:
1. Cory Proctor was a little rusty on drums, and
2. We knew we might hafta do some drum aligning, or
3. Replace some hits with samples.
Using other musicians was not an option, and the record company wanted radio-friendly hits. So, a click track was absolutely necessary.
leddy
Well-known member
If someone is being paid to record me and he tells me I have to do something I don't want to do, I'm going to tell him to piss off. And it's happened. The one time I went against my gut feeling on something I ended up having my bass sound like creamed ass on toast. I should have stood my ground.
If he "suggests" I do something and lays out some valid reasons so I can make my own decision, that's more what I would be paying for in the first place.
It's more up to the artist (and/or producer) than the engineer. That's for damn sure.
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dintymoore
Guest
The ability to play with a click is a skill that most people don't get instantly but need to work on. If you're playing with musicians who are real comfortable playing with a click, then if you do or don't use one it will probably be ok either way.
As a drummer I play pretty much like a click because I've been playing with a click for 25+ years, so if I'm playing with say a bass player that can't play with a click how is he going to play with me? It's gonna be a struggle...
So whether you use a click or not depends on the actually circumstances, but it's a pretty essential skill to be able to.
As a drummer I play pretty much like a click because I've been playing with a click for 25+ years, so if I'm playing with say a bass player that can't play with a click how is he going to play with me? It's gonna be a struggle...
So whether you use a click or not depends on the actually circumstances, but it's a pretty essential skill to be able to.
leddy
Well-known member
Have it so only the drummer hears the click. Everyone else plays to the drummer. I've been in big theatrical shows where it gets done that way. Works well.
ez_willis
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In no way would I ever even conceive that a click should be used on drum circle. No one would.
I also wasn't talking about football players recording music, but you sort of made my point:
ez_willis
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what label were you on?
ez_willis
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IOW, why didn't you just let them play the way they were comfortable?
Dogman
Unkle Ticklefingers
ez_willis
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Harvey Gerst
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Harvey Gerst said:
They, and their record company, wanted better recordings than they had done previously, so they came to us.
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Harvey Gerst
New member
Uh, I think you did.
Actually, they're all pretty damn good musicians.
ez_willis
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Came to you to what? Produce their record?
leddy
Well-known member
We're in different worlds EZ. I paly jazz. All I care about is getting good at my craft. I am content to be a professional sideman. I have had some success, been on TV and radio a few times. So what. Until I play like Ray Brown I'm not happy, nor would I brag.
I had to look up who Andy Wallace is. I don't listen to any of the bands he produces. Including yours I'm sure.
ez_willis
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ez_willis
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Is there a label name in there somewhere? I asked for a specific reason. If you have a label spending $250k to record your music, you don't always have the luxury of telling them to piss off if they insist that you use a click.
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Harvey Gerst
New member
Yes, to record and produce their new album. I mean, our studio; my son Alex is their producer, not me.