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muttley600 said:
Who you calling a Brit? :mad:




:D


If I remember from my long ago school days the Latin for Black is niger the masculine would be something like nigrum. I could be wrong but that would make sense when I see it applied to botanical names of timbers etc. And yes I agree to apply it in the terms described is fatuous. The origin of the word negro is I believe to be found in the Spanish and Portuguese derivative. I could be wrong again. Still it's hardly relevant and common sense and common decency would exclude me from using the term if at all possible because the very people at whom it is directed have specifically asked that I don't. I can live with that.
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I think someone would just be confused if you referred to them as a "Nigrum" :p
 
muttley600 said:
Jap as a descriptive term has never had anymore of a derogative intent than Brit, Scot, Ozzie, or many other shortening of the country of origin. At least not here in the UK. I doubt it is any different in the US or elsewhere.
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I do think it is considered offensive here in the U.S., at least by Japanese people. Maybe it was from the negative connotation the word "Jap" got during WWII.

"Chink" is a shortened version of Chinese, but I don't think it's very appropriate. I don't like being called that and I'm not even Chinese. (Not that a bigot knows the difference between a Korean and a Chinese person.)

I could be wrong, but I get the feeling it's not a welcome term.

Then again, my Filipino girlfriend was ecstatic to learn that there was a slur for Filipinos ("flip") and thought it was the funniest thing she'd ever heard.
 
32-20-Blues said:
You're quite right, I spelt the word incorrectly. However, I imagine it has a Latin origin, in which case it probably refers to 'black' only in the sense of 'blackening someone's name.' To imply a correlation, as you did, between the manner in which the negro race has been considered and the origin of the word 'denigrate' is etymologically fatuous, and, arguably, downright irresponsible.
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I implied nothing of the sort.
 
cusebassman said:
I think someone would just be confused if you referred to them as a "Nigrum" :p
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I still think you'd get your ass kicked....atleast if your not Nigrum your self!!:p

"the negative connotation the word "Jap" got during WWII"
....The Negative word used then I believe was Nip, from Niponese....(Excuse my spelling)....

Intent should be the deciding factor when ignorence is involved. Educate and move on or your no better than the offending party. Or maybe you feel like you deserve being offended and degraded?

All my notes are blue.....and my heritage is Hienz 57, I couldn't listen to a joke at the bar if I was as sensitive as some! Ef'em all, blues happens!
 
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Yes you did:
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Well, that was not my intent. My intent was to subtly point out that a lot of words in everyday use are closely etymologically related, but the offensiveness thereof is derived from whether they have historically been used in a negative way towards a race.
 
jmorris said:
you've smoked too much dope over the years.Jap guitars more sought after than American guitars? Lets see my 59 les paul 300 grand, my 68 les paul 12grand, my 60 es 330 blonde 2 pickup p90 guitar 14grand..your Jap les paul copy, 300 bucks...yeah, I guess your right. All the biggest guitar dealers selling pretty much only American guitars and all the Japs at the vintage show buying up all the American guitars left and right..yeah I guess your right.
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I think his point is that Japanese guitars (like their cars) are well built and perform great - if not better - than a lot of the more costly US stuff. Good example is the Yamaha version of the the eES330 - arguably a better guitar all-round than the 'real' thing.

'59 Les Paul? Now that's impressive...
 
I grew up in Hawaii. Approximately a third of the population of Hawaii is of Japanese ancestry. In the town I lived in, it was closer to half or better. The Japanese-American people I know (and I obviously know a lot of them) and, I believe Japanese-Americans in general, find the use of the term Jap offensive. This is largely the result of American attitudes and media during World War II when it was, of course, popular to denigrate the enemy. Having myself been on the receiving end of this epithet, since of course all us slanty eyed types look alike even though I'm half Chinese and not Japanese, my personal experience is that, in this country at least, the term is still used to denigrate others. There are certainly recent instances where groups of Japanese Americans have mobilized to protest the use of the term. The flak a couple of years ago over Bill Parcell's use of the term to describe surprise football plays is an example. The renaming of "Jap Road" in Texas is another example. Senator Daniel Inouye, a Japanese-American and US Senator from Hawaii explains the concern in the linked letter:

http://inouye.senate.gov/~inouye/04pr/20040720pr01.html

In any event, the term may not carry the same connotation in the UK or elsewhere (including Japan interestingly enough), but in the US, Japanese Americans still generally find the use of the term disrespectful and offensive.
 
pohaku said:
I grew up in Hawaii. Approximately a third of the population of Hawaii is of Japanese ancestry. In the town I lived in, it was closer to half or better. The Japanese-American people I know (and I obviously know a lot of them) and, I believe Japanese-Americans in general, find the use of the term Jap offensive. This is largely the result of American attitudes and media during World War II when it was, of course, popular to denigrate the enemy. Having myself been on the receiving end of this epithet, since of course all us slanty eyed types look alike even though I'm half Chinese and not Japanese, my personal experience is that, in this country at least, the term is still used to denigrate others. There are certainly recent instances where groups of Japanese Americans have mobilized to protest the use of the term. The flak a couple of years ago over Bill Parcell's use of the term to describe surprise football plays is an example. The renaming of "Jap Road" in Texas is another example. Senator Daniel Inouye, a Japanese-American and US Senator from Hawaii explains the concern in the linked letter:

http://inouye.senate.gov/~inouye/04pr/20040720pr01.html

In any event, the term may not carry the same connotation in the UK or elsewhere (including Japan interestingly enough), but in the US, Japanese Americans still generally find the use of the term disrespectful and offensive.
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I wanted to say something along similar lines, but I figured anyone using the derogatory term ("Jap") repeatedly has to be a bit of a disrespecting dick head in the first place, so saved my breath.
 
Let's get back to the original issue.

jmorris bought an Epiphone "John Lennon Revolution" Casino under the impression that it was made in the USA.

I just had a look at the Epiphone web site's information on that model.

On the main page the only thing that references the USA is that the pickups are "Gibson USA P-90s."

On the "More Info" page that deals with the history of this model, there is a header towards the bottom that reads, "THE LIMITED EDITION, USA COLLECTION JOHN LENNON CASINOS." The detailed specs for the guitar state, in part, "Original Body Shape - Based upon Mid - '60's Kalamazoo, Michigan tooling specs."

Nowhere does it state that the guitar is made in the USA, although "USA Collection" is misleading, IMO.

The question for jmorris is: Was the guitar itself actually labeled "Made in USA?"

FYI, the Federal Trade Commision guidelines for products labeled "Made in USA" state that "all or virtually all" of the product be made in the USA. There is no "bright line" for foreign content, and only automobiles and textile, wool, and fur products must disclose American content.

As an aside, I would note that my assumption is that ALL Epiphone products are manufactured overseas.
 
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