Gibson/Epiphone lies

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So I but this Epiphone "john lennon revolution" guitar. Made in the USA version. I send it back to Guitar Center as it arived with cracked headstock thanks to UPS. I call Gibson about the differences between the "usa" made revolution guitar and the Korean casino. Gibson themselves tell me the "revolution" guitar is made in Japan but finished in USA. I 'm still trying to figure out how that makes it "Made in the USA"?
 
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So I but this Epiphone "john lennon revolution" guitar. Made in the USA version. I send it back to Guitar Center as it arived with cracked headstock thanks to UPS. I call Gibson about the differences between the "usa" made revolution made guitar and the Korean casino. Gibson themselves tell me the "revolution" guitar is made in Japan but finished in USA. I 'm still trying to figure out how that makes it "Made in the USA"?
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What constitutes "finishing?" I'm curious. Does that mean they slapped some strings on it and sent it out, or does it mean it's actually "finished" (as in the woodworking sense) here in the U.S?
 
The final finish! As in sunburst or natural finish! Can you believe it.:o All woodworking in done in Japan, in USA only finish put on and then placed a nice "made in the USA" sticker put on.
 
jmorris said:
The final finish! As in sunburst or natural finish! Can you believe it.:o All woodworking in done in Japan, in USA only finish put on and then placed a nice "made in the USA" sticker put on.
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Wow. That's kinda crooked, if you ask me. It should say "Finished in U.S.A." then. Aside from the headstock, did it seem like a nice piece though?
 
You bet! feelings exactly:o It wasnt a nice price.Its 2000 buck for the Epiphone revolution natural finish casino on sale at guitar, 2555.00 for the sunburst lennon casino.
 
Why does it matter where a guitar is made again? If it feels, plays, and sounds right I couldn't care less if a guitar was made on the moon.
 
Location of contruction is used to justify a higher price. "Made in USA" typically connotes (rightly or wrongly - some MIJ instruments are arguably of better quality than USA instruments) a higher quality instrument which typically commands a higher price.

If you want, you could file a complaint with the Consumer Division of your state attorney general. I don't know what the consumer fraud statutes are like in your state, but you arguably have a significant (and maybe legally actionable) misrepresentation.
 
Fade said:
Why does it matter where a guitar is made again? If it feels, plays, and sounds right I couldn't care less if a guitar was made on the moon.
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Ive played guitars for 36 years and own/owned everything from 59 les paul sunburst to flying v..yes the real deals. Jap/Korean stuff is shit from a players view. As noted they dont bring anywheres as high a price as USA. Last point ,if it fyuckin says made in the usa then it fuckin should be made in the usa! Not, made in Korea by horribly cheap labor by people that dont really care about workmanship and would just as soon see all Americans die then rape our country.
 
I agree that they shouldn't mislead you

but I disagree about the Asian stuff, especially the Japanese-made pieces.

I'd rather have my money go to American workers (who are quite often actually illegal immigrants), but I sure wouldn't have a problem owning a MIJ guitar!

Many MIJ axes from the 80's are more highly sought after than their American counterparts.

Toyota (and Lexus) didn't get the reputaion for quality because the Japanese were slackers. Only recently has Toyota's quality been slipping. Wanna guess why? Because so many are made in the US now.

I'll take a Japanese guitar anyday. I've got a 35-year-old Japanese Epi Texan, and it still sounds and plays great and neither you nor anyone else can have it! It'll go to whomever I will it to.
 
notCardio said:
but I disagree about the Asian stuff, especially the Japanese-made pieces.

I'd rather have my money go to American workers (who are quite often actually illegal immigrants), but I sure wouldn't have a problem owning a MIJ guitar!

Many MIJ axes from the 80's are more highly sought after than their American counterparts.

Toyota (and Lexus) didn't get the reputaion for quality because the Japanese were slackers. Only recently has Toyota's quality been slipping. Wanna guess why? Because so many are made in the US now.

I'll take a Japanese guitar anyday. I've got a 35-year-old Japanese Epi Texan, and it still sounds and plays great and neither you nor anyone else can have it! It'll go to whomever I will it to.
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you've smoked too much dope over the years.Jap guitars more sought after than American guitars? Lets see my 59 les paul 300 grand, my 68 les paul 12grand, my 60 es 330 blonde 2 pickup p90 guitar 14grand..your Jap les paul copy, 300 bucks...yeah, I guess your right. All the biggest guitar dealers selling pretty much only American guitars and all the Japs at the vintage show buying up all the American guitars left and right..yeah I guess your right.
 
Yeah, but what does that have to do with anything?

And I haven't had any for over 20 years, so I don't think it's because I'm high now.

Because if I am, then this is really crappy weed.
 
Japan is a lot like we are, you're going to pay a lot more for stuff made there now because they aren't the third world country people think they are by a long shot. Their factory workers want computers and HDTV too.

There are a lot of well made guitars that originate outside the U.S. but "Made in USA" on a guitar does increase it's price more than guitars made elsewhere, for the most part. Any Fender or Gibson is definitely going to be much more valuable if it was manufactured in the U.S.
 
notCardio said:
Yeah, but what does that have to do with anything?

And I haven't had any for over 20 years, so I don't think it's because I'm high now.


My point is your statement that some Jap guitars are more sought after than us guitars in totally insane. Name one?
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jmorris said:
My point is your statement that some Jap guitars are more sought after than us guitars in totally insane. Name one?
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The Acoustic Control Corp. Black Widow guitar made in Japan is very sought after these days, and commands some high prices.
 
jmorris said:
My point is your statement that some Jap guitars are more sought after than us guitars in totally insane. Name one?
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i'm not getting into this, but the mid-80's japanese made fenders are typically held in higher regard than the early 80's US/Fullerton-made ones. These CIJ's aren't Squiers, these are the real-deals. Fender completely off-shored their guitars between 84-87, so there are no american ones in that period.

so maybe that "skews" things a bit, but the "Crafted in Japan" fenders from those years typically fetch a MUCH higher price than an '83 Fullerton-made 2-knob strat (for example).

that said, i agree--if a guitar says "made in the US" it ought to be freaking MADE in the US, from soup to nuts.

and *that* said, what's the difference between the current crop of fenders? the US ones are made by mexicans in the US.....the mexis are made by mexicans 40 miles to the south....i can't see much of a difference, really. they all feel pretty cheaply made to me. the same goes for modern Gibsons and Epiphones.......i'd have a real hard problem buying a "recent" guitar by either of those manufacturers.

i love my heavily modded '83 Fullerton (originally 2-knob) strat and my '88 tele.


cheers,
wade
 
i agree, doesnt matter where its made as long as it plays well, although usually it the inverse where products are made here and finished elsewhere due to the cost of complying with epa standards with finishes stains, laquer, chrome and so on. So they may be only assembling the finished parts and setting up the instruments here. Either way some of the instruments are excellent.
 
petermiller said:
So they may be only assembling the finished parts and setting up the instruments here.
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i've seen guitars that read "assembled in the USA", and that's generally what that means. and i'm cool with that as long as it says "assembled" and not "made in the USA".

assembled != made


cheers,
wade
 
I love both my epi's and my samick..dont know where they are made, or where they are from..and no offense to the i-have-amazing-guitars-because-they-are-worth-a-ton-of-cash guy, but i dont need something that rediculous as a 300 thousand dollar guitar..period. Your so off in the deep end on biased, its rediculous. Im not gonna say im not a bit biased in saying i like overseas stuff..i mean, do i wish i had an american made gibson? course...however, the stuff made overseas...from what ive owned..is quite good. Its not like its literally falling apart or in any way sounding like crap..I compared my 300 dollar epiphone to a gibson sg used that was..roughly 1000 bucks...i liked my epi more.
 
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