using a y cord.... can I

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can a person use a y cord from say the mid and high outs of a crossover? Reason I ask is I have a good rane crossover, and it is actually way more advanced than our 2 way pa setup is. in 2 way mode, it will only cross the low/high at 190hz at the lowest, which is way to high for the subs. in 3 way mode, it has a sub xover from 50hz up. BUT then there is the mid/high crossover to deal with, again lowest point being 190 hz, and highest being 7k, so I cant just not use the mid or high out, as there will still be a hole somewhere. What Id like to do if it wont harm anything, or if it will work, is to use an xlr y cable to connect the mid and high outs from the crossover, and send them to my mains amp, and obviously use the sub out to the sub amp. I know this seems like a lot of work to go through, but id like to keep this xover, as I got a very good price on it, and it is very much expandable for future use if needed.

Thanksin advance
 
. . . and that hole just might end up in the diaphragm of your HF drivers. Be careful with the LF content that reaches your HF drivers. Drop RANE an email.

Paj
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goneracin said:
can a person use a y cord from say the mid and high outs of a crossover? Reason I ask is I have a good rane crossover, and it is actually way more advanced than our 2 way pa setup is. in 2 way mode, it will only cross the low/high at 190hz at the lowest, which is way to high for the subs. in 3 way mode, it has a sub xover from 50hz up. BUT then there is the mid/high crossover to deal with, again lowest point being 190 hz, and highest being 7k, so I cant just not use the mid or high out, as there will still be a hole somewhere. What Id like to do if it wont harm anything, or if it will work, is to use an xlr y cable to connect the mid and high outs from the crossover, and send them to my mains amp, and obviously use the sub out to the sub amp. I know this seems like a lot of work to go through, but id like to keep this xover, as I got a very good price on it, and it is very much expandable for future use if needed.

Thanksin advance
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You need a mixer to accomplish this.

Peace!

~Shawn
 
goneracin said:
can a person use a y cord from say the mid and high outs of a crossover? Reason I ask is I have a good rane crossover, and it is actually way more advanced than our 2 way pa setup is. in 2 way mode, it will only cross the low/high at 190hz at the lowest, which is way to high for the subs. in 3 way mode, it has a sub xover from 50hz up. BUT then there is the mid/high crossover to deal with, again lowest point being 190 hz, and highest being 7k, so I cant just not use the mid or high out, as there will still be a hole somewhere. What Id like to do if it wont harm anything, or if it will work, is to use an xlr y cable to connect the mid and high outs from the crossover, and send them to my mains amp, and obviously use the sub out to the sub amp. I know this seems like a lot of work to go through, but id like to keep this xover, as I got a very good price on it, and it is very much expandable for future use if needed.

Thanksin advance
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No offence but read the manual on your gear. Y-ing the mids & highs (not sure why you would ever really want to do that in the first place :rolleyes:) is effectively the same thing as having a bi-amped (2-way) PA. If you what to tri-amp (3-way mono) you need 3 channels of amplification one for each frequency band (low, mid, hi). If you want 3 –way stereo you’ll need 6 channels of amplification. You can also go bi-amped stereo (mid/high) with a mono sub but you’ll still need at least 3 amps. Anyway, the manual will show you all the possible configurations so start there.
 
I don't think that using the y-cable would help. The crossover should have the channel splits button. There should be a switch to have it split to two channels or three. If you use the y cable, it would seem to confuse the crossover. you would adjust the frequency on the crossover to your desire. Hope this helps.
 
the crossover does have multiple splits. the problem, as I explained is in 2 way, it will only go down to 190 hz. I am only running my junk in biamped, not triamped, the mains are single input, full range. I have the mains and subs. I wanted to cross the subs over around 100 hz or so, but in 2 way, this crossover wont go down that low. my only question was can i run it in 3 way, and join the mid and low outputs together and run that joined signal into the mains. That is the only way I can get the xover point low enough. Trust me, ive "read the manual" :rolleyes:. run it in 2 way, and cross it over at a much lower point than the 190 hz it can do in its 2 way setting.
using a mixer makes sense, but at that point, ill sell this and buy a different model that can do what I want. problem with this is its set up for a 3-5 way application, and the 2 way is more an afterthought.
 
in case anyone cares. Ive been on email with a tech at Rane today. you can use a y setup, but you have to build a special y, or a box, with resistance in it so the mid and high dont see each other. or use a separate line mixer as was suggested. Turns out the ac23b is more meant for 3-5 way, and its 2 way capability is pretty limited. When I picked it up, i didnt pay attention to the fact it didnt have an "X10" button for the lows.

http://www.rane.com/note109.html

he also had a couple of other suggestions. Easiest solution is to sell this xover, and get one more suited to my application. Anyone have a Rane AC22B or AC22s or?? they would want to trade :D
 
I am not sure why you would have to use a special "y" cable since you are trying to recombine the outputs. As far as hurting your HF driver, there should be no real danger here since your tops are being run passively inside the cabinet. As for the hole in the frequency range, there will most undoubtedly be a hole where the crossover slopes between the mids and highs meet, and dependsing on how the slopes are set in that specific crossover there is a good chance instead of a hole you will be looking at a bump or build in that range. Out of curiosity, how high can you get get the mid to high crossover point on the crossover in 3 way mode? Can you get it high enough to just use the mids?
 
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