
legionserial
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you were going so well..
until you hit that last question:
it sounded something like:
"i personally believe... that.........some....people .....don't have maps......as... such ...and....thus.....south African..........education.......in ....America....um... in..south Africa.."
Fuck you, you arrogant fuck. You are in no position to patronise me. Your grammar and punctuation, and the structure of your post, is virtually unreadable.
no we would need to go and ask AVID ironically as they own both Stienberg and Digidesign.
are we all aware of that ? The same corporation owns both?
well we would need to say show me Digidesign current Profits as against Stienberg Current profits.
That's completely irrelevant to my point. But if you asked AVID what piracy did to their profits, do you honestly think they would say "it improves them, keep nicking our stuff". Give over. They'll tell you that results in a loss of profits.
you see what you quoted here : "If nothing was available for free, they would have to buy it"
is called in economic terms a narrowing of the market exposure.
We can say a similar thing for Pro Tools as it is generally a narrow field i.e being primarily operated on a Mac system 10% of the computer market and often needing a 002 or 003 rack to operate.
mbox sales would have widened the market exposure but generally it's pretty narrow still
Operation on the mac system is a matter of choice.
The pro tools HD system costs far more than Pro Tools M-Powered of Pro Tools LE, and doesn't require M-Audio of Digi Hardware. What it does require is thousands of pounds to buy, because the hardware you do need is part of the HD system. For that, imagine if you are in the game of spending that much money, you can afford a mac as a dedicated audio PC.
M-Powered and LE are probably split mac to PC at about the same ratio as any other recording software.
Aside from that, the LE and M-Powered versions have been cracked to not require the hardware. Much like Cubase with it's dongle. I know this because I know some assholes who steal all their software, and they offered me a copy of Pro Tools that didn't need it. I told them of course to shove it. LE and M-Powered are also not much more expensive than Cubase or something like that. In fact the software itself costs less than half of what Cubase cost me. An M-Audio card costs less than £100. So an M-Powered setup is actually cheaper than Cubase.
What pro tools is, however, is a money trap. You start with limitations, and have to pay for upgrades to get the full functionality of something like Cubase. For example, the number of tracks you can use is limited until you buy the upgrade. This is part of the reason why the market is narrow, because it narrows itself with red tape. It also doesn't have quite the MIDI functionality.
we need to compare that to a wide market exposure system such as Cubase, and see if that extra market exposure indeed lead to increases of sales.
a good indication would be the last five years profit and income estimates including this year to date from the two divisions of the same corporation Avid.
I really don't have to see them.
the market system will always win if the product is good.
what you are talking about leads to low market exposure, bad backwards systems, inferior products and higher prices.
yes that's right HIGHER prices, you may disagree with me but you need to show some evidence as i am about to do
a narrowing of any market leads to a monopoly a monopoly generally always leads to higher prices and lower quality.
Narrowing of what market? The market is already narrow, it's specialist software, like I said.
If more people bought the software, it wouldn't need to be so expensive. They need to make their money back, and they need to make a profit for other projects. This either means selling more product, or increasing the price. Due to the fact that audio production software isn't your everyday household software that everyone uses, like windows for example, there is a point where marketing will make no difference, and will in fact be detrimental, due to the money spent on it. Therefore, they can only do what they can do to make their money. So I still stand by the fact that people stealing rather than buying means that I and the other honest people out there, end up paying a significant amount more so that others can use it for free.
And where's your evidence? So far you have cited nothing.
now the example for the people that can't understand:
If only you understand them, then perhaps your perception is wrong.
you cannot copy or crack a piece of outboard Gear can you?
lets vote and ask electrical engineers if it cost the thousands of dollars to make a valve compressor to justify the price.( I mean is valve technology still the magic art of the alchemists)
Material cost isn't the only cost involved in manufacture. There's labour.... and not just of the technicians designing it, but down from the people on the factory floor, up to back office staff, resource management staff, accountants, executives, the people in the shop selling it, to name but a few. Those wage packets cost a tidy sum. Then there are other things to take into account, from stuff as mundane to the lighting and water bills for the buildings the businesses use, right up to the ink printed onto the front of the CD. If you think that the only people that need to be paid are the a small team of developers, and their boss, you need to go learn about how a business works. For every product made, there are probably a few hundred people behind it, and a few hundred other resources that need paying for. Manufacturing costs add up.
What we are looking at is the ultimate narrow market and an ultimate monopoly as the information and education field was also narrowed.
now I’m not saying those valve compressors were inferior products but for the price they were far far from perfect. (but that in essence is what gave them the sound also, the actual malfunction.)
Hmmm….higher price lower quality of features now what DAW does that remind me of….any Cubase or logic users tried Pro tools lately?
Pro tools is an industry standard. It makes a fuck of a lot of money for the people that use it, not just through using it, but to the appeal to the customer, recording artist, executive producer or label. Just having Pro Tools in effect gets you customers in a lot of cases. Hence the higher price. For HD systems anyway. As I said M-Powered and LE are really no different from other consumer software out there, apart from being a bit of a pain in the arse.
but my point is made,
Your point is delving into the realms of irrelevance, and is nearing self-indulgence.
in fact i might check N-Track out as a DAW if i can see that it can do everything Cubase can do in regard to performance bounce down etc.
i might buy that and not upgrade my Cubase.
Why not try Reaper, that's completely free.
trust me you are wrong on this one,
No I'm not. Less people buying means less product sold, means less income. Piracy is not a form of marketing. Yeah there's the try before you buy option. But there are still those of us out there who find other ways of finding out what software is like. Asking people, free demos, reviews, looking at the features available. I chose Cubase by reading a pdf manual, for example.
You think that x business tenders for contracts by stealing products? No, it reads, makes comparisons, talks to representatives of the companies they are tendering. Examines the pros and cons or each option.
i know you think i'm an arrogant fuck but i told you i am an economic genius (not because I’m smart) just because everyone else got dumb somehow.. and I was immune.
No, you're an arrogant fuck. No one got dumb, you started dumb. So dumb in fact that you are convinced of the opposite. So dumb that you refuse to admit or recognise any flaw in yourself, and therefore saw no need to self improve. That's called being an arrogant fuck.
Tell me, if you are an economic genius, and "one" of the best songwriters in the world. How come no one has heard of you? Surely you would have the talent, and the business sense to become one of the most famous richest people in the world.
And besides, going back to your first comment about the structure of one of my paragraphs, if you had a shred of genius about you, you would know better than to talk down to everyone you meet. Especially when your grammar is so shitty. Furthermore, you would be doing far more interesting things than trying to prove yourself on an internet forum.
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