Yorkville YSM-1P's versus Behringer Truth B2031

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tyler657recpro said:
All im saying is recording midi (or keyboard, which ultimately is midi), and recording something for real is a little different. It's harder to make it sound good in real life.
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tyler657recpro said:
but isnt it easier to plug into the line out of a keyboard than to mic a piano? or more fool-proof?
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Not if it's a good-sounding piano in a good-sounding room, and you mic it properly!
 
thats what im saying. you have to do all those things. if you just use a keyboard, you don't but it doesnt really matter, and were supposed to be talking about monitors.
 
Kevzmusic said:
AND....

I don't actually mix with more than one set of monitors....I just let 'others' hear the end product and make objective comment.....
KEV
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OK, I changed my mind! You DO have a better system - instead of taking the time to comparison-check your stuff yourself, you get others to do it for you! Way cool!!! Leaves more time to hang out on the bulletin boards! :D

As for the piano issue, I hope I don't offend anyone if I side with Tyler here. I think he's just saying, by analogy, that it requires more engineering technique to record a real string section than to play (and record) a sampled string part. There are many more variables in recording a real piano (or any "real" instrument) than an electronic one: mic choices, mic positions, preamp choices, room acoustics issues, dynamic range, bleed of other instruments, performance noises (e.g. grunts, breathing, squeaks) etc. Unlike Tyler, though, I can usually tell by listening whether the piano was a real one or not. But that may be because I'm a pianist. Just as I would expect a drummer to be able to more easily differentiate between a real drum track and a programmed one.

While it's true that if the keyboard track serves the song well, it doesn't really matter if it is "real" or not, the fact remains that an acoustic piano is still capable of being played more expressively than a simulated one, although in many kinds of pop music today that is no longer that important. "Real" pianos, "real" B-3's, "real" horn sections, "real" strings... still "real" hard to beat. But definitely requires more recording technique.
 
I do agree with you here littledog,

It "is" considerably harder to get a truly great recorded sound when using a so called *REAL* live instrument, such as a piano, accoustic guitar, etc....or even vocals for that matter....

however, where do WE draw the line between REAL and electronic/proccessed, etc???? :-) Mentally speaking :-)

Is an electronic keyboard or synth any LESS a 'real' instrument....than a piano, cello or trumpet - LOL!!!!!

What about an electric guitar (which also happens to be harder when recording with and has some of those added elements you mentioned above) would this fall somewhere between the two?...

I recognize that when it comes to *RECORDING* it is somewhat 'easier' to maintain a clearer/better constant input signal when playing an electronic keyboard, than lets say, my electric guitars...and especially the accoustics.....

BUT, in the end it almost appears a little bit of 'snobbery' to say that some instruments are more REAL than others....simply because of the technology (or not) involved....

I guess there 'is' a bigger 'trial and error' component associated with 'real' instruments...that may or may not have a DIRECT feed in..., so to speak...

Geeze, now I'm getting philosophical - again :-)

KEV
 
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