Yorkville YSM-1P's versus Behringer Truth B2031

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you do that anyway, and then still have more monitors to check if its gonna still sound good on crap. you don't release a cd without checking.

I'm planning on having a pair of mackie hr824's, which will be my main monitors, and then a pair of yorkville ysm-1p's, a pair of bose 301iv's, and jbl control 25's with a control sub. Then after testing on all those, ill test on boomboxes, stereos, computer speakers, etc.

Even if you monitors WERE perfectly flat, your ear can always make a mistake that might be easier to see(hear) in other speakers.
 
Kevzmusic said:

BUT, I the best method is to start off with a FLAT response as possible (ie: ground zero :-) and then built up the tunes from there accordingly...
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Kev......

Well... that's part of the issue... there is no "flat".... many engineers, for example, mix on NS-10s - which are from flat...

The idea is to get used to a particular monitor that you're comfortable with -- and check other references for comparison purposes just to make sure you've covered all the bases...

No, you're not trying to mimic all end-listener systems, you're simply trying to ensure the mix translates reasonably well to a variety of systems.........

There would be no point in trying to reference a mix on 3 top-notch monitoring systems - the idea is to get a variation.... it's a safe bet that if your mix sounds good when you check it on a boombox, it'll sound reasonably good on "most" listener's boomboxes as well....

It's the same reason you check your mix in mono too... just to make sure nothing "bad" jumps out at you!

Bruce
 
I bet when PINK FLOYD produce a CD....that they don't rush out and buy a load of different monitors, boom-boxes or other cheapo equipment - just to make sure it sounds OK on 'consumer' grade speakers - LOL :-)

No, they work from the premis that IF it sounds great in their multi-million dollar mix control centre...it WILL reproduce the same audio on the majority of end users - irregardless of what *vehicle* (ie: speaker) is used....

KEV
 
you just don't get it do you? it doesn't matter how expensive your monitors are! they're never going to be perfectly flat, and you're never gonna always get the mix right the first time!
 
Tyler....

Hey Kiddo - I think your young age is showing :-)

YOU keep on putting words or phrases into to MY mouth which I never said - *SIGH*

I've never said any monitors are PERFECTLY FLAT....or that anyone is gonna get their mixes right first time....and yes, of course there's nothing wrong with testing out one's projects/mixes on a variety of speakers or end user products.....

BUT, in the long run it's best to work with as high quality and flattest response monitors that one can afford....and work from there......that's all....

In future please read posts carefully...and get to understand the *context* before blurting out a response....

Cheers

KEV
 
Hey Kev......

Well.... to each his own! If you get your mixes the way you like 'em with a single reference point, all the better!

I usually find I tweak something here or there upon secondary checks with "lesser" monitors....

As I said, it's VERY common practice in the majors for engineers to double-check their mixes on alternate monitors/listening environments - you're fooling yourself if you beleive otherwise......... but maybe you're just a better engineer than most!!! ;)

:)

Cheers,

Bruce
 
Kevzmusic said:
Hey Tyler,


I'm just curious.....WHY would you need 2 sets of monitors in a home studio????

Using 4 speakers (ie: a 4.1 set up) will only 'confuse' your mixing....coz a double stereo sound kinda 'falsely' enhances the audio.....AND, "IF" you did have TWO studio PC set ups each with it's own monitors, etc....one would really want both to have the same reference speakers...otherwise the overall 'balance' would be off, with a different response coming from the two sets...when used simultaneously....
KEV
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I have two sets of monitors. Its a good cross check of the mix. I try to do a lot of 5.1 surround stuff too though.
 
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Kevzmusic said:
I bet when PINK FLOYD produce a CD....that they don't rush out and buy a load of different monitors, boom-boxes or other cheapo equipment - just to make sure it sounds OK on 'consumer' grade speakers - LOL :-)
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You may find the concept laughable, but chances are you're wrong on this one. It's pretty safe to say that vast majority of engineers (especially the good ones) DO cross reference their mixes. That's why you see Auratone speakers at many of the finest facilities in the world. (It's not because anyone "likes" their sound!) And you don't have to rush out and buy anything - almost anyone can come up with a boom box or a TV set with audio inputs lying around the house. It's not just for referencing speakers either, it's also to check room anaomalies.

What isn't caught in the mix process is then corrected at the mastering stage. If you are doing a "home" project that isn't going to end up being professionally mastered, then it's even more critical to do as many comparisons as possible.
 
Neve said:
Hands down, the Behringer monitors are the worst I have ever heard......
pretty much anything else will outperform them....
that`s the TRUTH


Amund
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According to Speeddemon, the Behringer TRUTH's sound superior to a Genelec 1029 system... maybe he HAS been looking at too much ASS lately!
 
No Littledog, I said "Instead of 1029a's you're BETTER OFF with Behringer Truths" because
1)The Genelecs are way overpriced
2)they lack some serious low-end, which the Truths do have

And if Neve (Amund) thinks that the Behringer Truths are the worst monitors ever, he probably has never a/b-ed them with Spirit Absolute 0's, 2's, Roland DS-50's and Alesis Monitor Ones.

Best monitors I've heard so far are Meyer HD-1's. Then come the Mackie HR-824's, and then Event PS-8 as bang for the buck. The Genelec 1031 DO outperform the Events PS-8's, but only a little bit, and definately NOT worth the $2000 price difference!

In the low-end (<$500) the monitors I liked were
Event PS-5
Tannoy Reveal Passive (I haven't checked the Actives yet, but they'll probably are way better when considering all their good reviews (bY USERS, not magazine-employees!)
Behringer Truth.

The Yorkvilles aren't available in the Netherlands, but I'll probably end up with either Tannoy Reveal Actives or Studiophile SP-8B (which I will audition both coming september).
 
kev,

how do you know if you got you mixes right if you don't test them?
 
I do test em :-)

on several different PC's that have a variety of speakers.....including with friends who are in the recoding industry......plus, I now put MY tunes up on ACIDplanet and get a lot of feedback in the form of reviews and emails from folks all over the place...

IF ya got a spare moment check out a couple of my recent projects....at:


http://www.acidplanet.com/Lounge/ArtistDetail.asp?ArtistID=78884

and let me know what ya think....

KEV
 
Ok, well, if you do test them, then what the are you talking about, not having multiple monitors, or cheaper systems. That's basically what your doing.

As far as the finished product goes, it sounds pretty good, given the exception that most of that music doesnt really appeal to my tastes.

It sounds to me like most of your stuff is midi, although on the guitar I can't really tell because of my yamaha computer speakers and the low 64k bitrate.

It sounds like you have either some phase canceling, or some lower bitrate loops in there that you may have just dled from other places on the web?

The drums suck. (there was one i thought was OKAY at most) too quiet, and same low bitrate or cancelling problem

The piano sounds good if you REALLY recorded it. If it's midi, it's not really very hard to wrong there now is it?

This is just listening to 30 second segments in various places, like 1 minute and a half of each song.

Anyway, that's my opinion, correct me on anything if I'm wrong blue.
 
I play all guitar pieces tracks, keyboards & synth peices myself....the only loops I use are drums, coz I dont' own a set...and a few FX bits when I need 'em....NO midi in there whatsoever.

Yeah, it's probably not your style of music anyways Kiddo...I'm into the 70's progressive 'concept' genre, stuff like King Crimson, YES, early Genesis, Tull, Zappa and the old rock bands....but I do like a lot of new tunes too :-)

KEV
 
AND....

I don't actually mix with more than one set of monitors....I just let 'others' hear the end product and make objective comment.....IF something really sucks...I will change it of course, but 90% of the time, so far things appear to be sounding pretty good at the other end :-)

KEV
 
tyler657recpro said:


The piano sounds good if you REALLY recorded it. If it's midi, it's not really very hard to wrong there now is it?
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It either sounds good or it doesn't sound good. The fact that it might be MIDI does not matter.
 
djc,

All im saying is recording midi (or keyboard, which ultimately is midi), and recording something for real is a little different. It's harder to make it sound good in real life.

Kev,

The guitar does sound really good, from what I could tell. Keyboard and synth, are midi, basically. But anyway, I liked those two things, but the drums really did suck. And I'm not saying drum loops are bad either, just try and get some better ones.

As far as the monitor fight goes, I'm not saying you MIX on several monitors, you TEST, and then fix your errors on the other monitors, and TEST some more in different places. ¿Comprende?
 
tyler657recpro said:
All im saying is recording midi (or keyboard, which ultimately is midi), and recording something for real is a little different. It's harder to make it sound good in real life.
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What on earth are you talking about with this comment, Tyler?
 
Obviously......Kiddo doesn't really know what MIDI means :-)

Perhaps coz most keyboards or synths have the WORD "midi" printed on them somewhere HE thinks it means just that :-)

Oh well, when I was his age - I probably didn't know MY ass from my elbow either - LOL!!!!

Takes a few walks around the block - before us folks wise up....as My Mom always said...."your'll learn boy"!!!!!!!!

I did, but it took almost 45 years :-)

KEV
 
oh well, whatever...

but isnt it easier to plug into the line out of a keyboard than to mic a piano? or more fool-proof?
 
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