Will Neumanns work....

[Project illicit]

Okay i have a pair of Neumanns umm type m49b nr. 1626.... blah blah (as you can see i dont really know much about them)

I guess they are really good mics for vocals but i dont know if they will work for recording precution and amped guitars....

if these will work good then great!!!

if not what is the best way to record drums and guitars


THX FOR THE HELP!!!!

You loving local newbie

 

[crawdad]

Nah. There awful sounding mics. But I have some mics that will work for you. Send me the Neumans and I'll let you exchange for something better.

Sorry. I'm jiving you. Couldn't resist, though...

 

[Project illicit]

arrg

Well....

You could have at least helped me by answering my darn quesiton!!!!

lol

 

[wes480]

Hrm, an m49 is a vintage tube large diaphragm condensor...that what you have?

Assuming they are in good shape...

If they are uh...yeah...they will work juuuuust fine

Should be nice for percussion (though...if you have a vintage pair of mics like that...maybe you could throw down for some Neumann KM 184's)

Since the m49 is large diaphragm...they arn't going to be quite as "fast" as a small diaphragm mic. But...you can still get a great sound out of them...and...I am *not* saying that SD is neccessarily going to be better.

As far as the amped guitars...should sound great as far as I'm concerned...i don't think SPL is going to be an issue, but someone else might want to comment on that....just to be on the safe side.

But, if you don't like the sound...there is always an SM57.

But, regardless of what mic it is you have...try it out and see.

Just out of curiosity - how'd you aquire a pair of those without knowing what they were

Not sure what they would go for...but, i Imagine a pretty penny.

-Wes

 

[Project illicit]

Hey thx for the help!!!

Any how....

I got these from my father.

He used to record my mother etc.....

It takes him forever to explain any thing so im taking over the rec studio my self and am gona teach my self....

I know a little about it and i knew that these mics were good but as far as i knew is they were only used for vocals (thats all he used them for) I didnt know if to loud of sounds would hert them or what not.

So what i have is good but i dont want to really spend a whole lota money on geting a new set (i imagin they are expensive)
So basicly would this be the best way to do this?
OR
would i be better off geting another mic thats a little cheaper and using these only for vocals

Also i understand i need at least 3 mics to record drums :-/

 

[knownuttin]

So he has a pair of Neumanns he got from his Dad, and wants to know if he can use them on "precution". You see, Your Honor? This is why I had to turn the flame-thrower on the crowd!
-kent

 

[Harvey Gerst]

If they're Neumann M49b's, you have a hell of a great pair of mics in your posession. First of all, treat them gently; they were made almost 50 years ago and they're worth a lot of money - a lot. The pair would go for around $7,500 right now, maybe even more. Hell, the Telefunken AC701K tube inside the body is worth about $500 - each!!

Now that that's out of the way, lemme tell you about them. They have a great sound; very warm, yet detailed. They don't handle loud sounds very well up close, so you'll hafta be careful about putting them very near the drums or up against a speaker grill.

They have a remote polar pattern control on the power supply that give you omni, cardioid, figure 8, and everything in between. You could mic an entire symphony orchestra with just those two mics, and many major albums have been recorded exactly that way - with just one pair of M49s.

They're wonderful on almost any kind of classical music (strings, horns, reeds, brass), but they need some distance to really make them shine. They might work well for rock vocals if you don't scream into them. Since they start to crap out on sources greater than 112 dB, I don't think I'd use them on rock drums or as an up-close guitar amp mic. They might work okay as a room mic.

If you damage them, the repair costs will be outrageous, so please treat them carefully. If you live near any decent size recording studio, they would probably loan you any mics you want in exchange for using your M49s from time to time.

You might wanna really sit down with your dad and have him explain exactly what these mics are, and how to use them correctly. It's kinda like being given a Rolls Royce as your first car.

 

[knownuttin]

Yeah, but it takes his father forever to explain anything, so he's taking over "the rec studio" he self!

"Sheee-it! Shuddup old man, and gimme da mikra-fizones! I gotsta recoad my fust numba one, aa-ite?!"

-converting my semi to fully auto
kent

 

[Project illicit]

okay

Well then....

Thx for the detailed help Mr. Harvey Gerst

I will try to keep they in good care and good condition...

I didnt relize they were 50 years old because they look very new.

I guess my father didnt use they much and when he did he said he keeped them in perfect cond.

So what mics would you recomend for Micing Drums and amps?

Basicly the ones that are the best bang for the buck

 

[wes480]

"If you live near any decent size recording studio, they would probably loan you any mics you want in exchange for using your M49s from time to time. "

interesting concept.

Maybe I will just buy the U47 from mercenary audio....

and then trade with studios for the rest of my needs

"We've got his U47 for the next 36 hours lets MOVE people MOVE!"

-Wes

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Re: okay

Well then....

Thx for the detailed help Mr. Harvey Gerst

Just "Harvey" is fine.

I will try to keep they in good care and good condition...

There's one being sold on ebay right now; the bidding is over $2,200, and the reserve still hasn't been met!

I didn't realize they were 50 years old because they look very new.

I think they came out in the late 50's or very early 60's.

I guess my father didnt use they much and when he did he said he keeped them in perfect cond.

He is a very wise man. The M49 is one of the legendary old Neumann mics.

So what mics would you recomend for Micing Drums and amps?
Basicly the ones that are the best bang for the buck

The "best bang for the buck" mics would be some Shure SM57's for snare and guitar cabs, the Behringer ECM8000's for overheads, and some AT Pro 25's for toms and kick. Pretty inexpensive way to get a great sound, assuming you have a good guitar rig, a good drum kit, and some decent players.

 

[Dolemite]

Okay i have a pair of Neumanns umm type m49b nr. 1626.... blah blah (as you can see i dont really know much about them)

I guess they are really good mics for vocals but i dont know if they will work for recording precution and amped guitars....

Hmmm...do you think my Ferrari will go fast?

 

[octoruss]

Sheesh...some people have all the luck. All I got from my Dad was an old Sony reel to reel tape machine.

"Why back in my day, we didn't have any of this new-fangled fancy dee-GI-tal recording gear. Why, to record music we had to go down to ye olde tyme radio station and sing into a can..."

 

[crazydoc]

i thimk we getting our leg pulled here

 

[Robert Wall]

Was thinking the same thing, 'doc -- even went and checked the date in case it got bumped in here from April 1 !!!

But think about it. How many '59 SB Les Pauls got thrown in closets? '63 Sonic Blue Strats stuffed under beds? '56 TBirds rolled into barns?

The Vietnam war ALONE provided America with thousands of true stories of how the stuff Johnny never came marching home to sat in attics and barns and got irreplaceable.

It's not so farfetched to think this guy could trip over a pair of M49s and think they were doorstops....

But lest he run off thinking his newfound treasure is the be-all and end-all of making great records, I wound caution him, as others already have, to go back to the source, and talk to his old man!

Could they both be unaware? Sure. My '63 Strat still had the original lacquer on the back of the neck, and zero fretwear in 1999! Somebody stuck it under a bed and never came back -- apparently somebody who never got around to playing it much in the first place.

It happens.

 

[Project illicit]

Okay okay....

so Harvey...
""The "best bang for the buck" mics would be some Shure SM57's for snare and guitar cabs, the Behringer ECM8000's for overheads, and some AT Pro 25's for toms and kick. Pretty inexpensive way to get a great sound, assuming you have a good guitar rig, a good drum kit, and some decent players""

So your saying i sould get these 3 mics right?

the Shure SM57
the Behringer ECM8000
and the AT Pro 25

How much do you think that all of these 3 mics are gona cost me?
because im geting a new mixer also
My AKAI MG1214 Pro is a little old and its only 12 chan.
I was thinking about a 16 chan mixer
what do you think the best, heh, "Bang for the buck" is on that as well
i was hoping to get one thats digital w/ a cd burner.
thx for the help yet again

 

[littledog]

So your saying i sould get these 3 mics right?

the Shure SM57
the Behringer ECM8000
and the AT Pro 25

How much do you think that all of these 3 mics are gona cost me?

While Harvey made some excellent recommendations, it seems like you mis-interpreted his answer. He recommended three TYPES of mics, which is different from "3 mics". You will need two of the ECM8000's for overheads if you are doing stereo drum sound. And some combination of 57's and ATM 25's that add up to 4 for kick and toms. Maybe an additional 57 for the guitar amp too. Looks like between $600-700 worth of mics.

Here is an idea you may want to consider, although I would personally do this reluctantly - and that would be to sell one or both of the M49s to finance all the rest of your purchases. To use someone else's analogy, it's kind of like someone gave you a pair of Lamborghinis and you plan to use them to drive to the supermarket for groceries - it's almost a waste. Maybe a more apt analogy would be having $2000 Grado headphones to use with your Sony Walkman.

The point is, a recording system is only as good as its weakest link in the chain. Right now, unquestionably, the weakest link is you. This is not an insult - no one is saying you are stupid, just still ignorant about much of the process, which is entirely understandable. It's encouraging that you are not afraid to ask questions - I also suggest subscribing to some of the magazines dedicated to recording. And don't dismiss your father as a resource so blithely.

You have had an extreme amount of good fortune to have two of the finest microphones ever made fall into your lap. It behooves you to learn to use them well.

Good luck.

Also: any chance your Dad would like to adopt another son? I'd be perfectly willing and eager to listen to him for hours.

 

[darrin_h2000]

Cost Schmost, Ill trade you for those old neumans.

 

[Whoopysnorp]

A pair of ECM8000s plus an SM57 plus an ATM Pro 25 will run more like $220. Add another $80 for each 57 you want to buy.

 

[Lopp]

It looks like you're gettin some good info here. We're lucky to have "Mister Gerst" here because he really knows is stuff and is extremely generous with sharing his knowledge. Other posts are also giving you good tips.


This may have been mentioned, but, following Harvey's logic, for a whole drum kit you can get away with a SM57 on the snare, a pair of ECM8000's as overheads, and an AT Pro 25 on the kick. At least, that's something similar to what I'd do depending on budget constraints.