Wild_Eyed Jim's V.2...come on, man..you've gotta help me out here

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Yeah I know, generic title...but true. I have two versions now of my first posted tune. The first had some panning problems. I took all of your advice and tried to incorporate the best I could. If you could compare just 30 seconds or so of each and give me advice, I would really appreciate hearing what you recommend from here.
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Hey man, I think you went to far in the mono direction now, lol. Probably not what you wanted to hear.

I think it would help matters a lot of you took that rhythm guitar part and panned it left and right with a very slight delay between the 2 tracks...like 20-30 milliseconds. Alternatively, you could play the rhythm guitar part again and pan each out.

I mean, there are no rules in my book when it comes to panning, but there are some pretty standard approaches that seem to work well in most circumstances.

Kick/snare/bass/lead vocal - center

Rhythm gits - doubled and panned
Lead guitars - VERY slightly left or right of center

On your first mix, it sounds like the drums are totally left, lol...that might actually be a rule violation, now that I think about it. :D

Really, the 2nd mix is a ton closer...just spread the rhythm guits out and I think you're half way there. Some tom panning helps too, and if you've got anyway to pan brass - hat right, ride left...cymbals alternating left and right...it just makes the mix bigger.

still a cool song, and you sing the hell out of it. I liked the way you panned the backups at the end.
 
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Chris,

Thanks for the feedback! I've got the rhythm guitar doubled and slightly panned left and right, but I may pan a bit more as you suggested. Lead guitar is slightly panned as well. The drums were recorded on a DM Pro kit, and are unfortunately not able to pan each piece unless I do the track again, which I may. You can pan each drum stereo within the DM Pro, but unfortunately I lost the stereo image when I inserted the left/right outs into a mono in on my Joe Meek :(
The first mix's drum pan was a processing fluke that I didn't hear maybe because I had my monitors too close together during mix? I think I fixed it with the latest mix by cutting back on the "stereo enhancer" section of the processor. I agree with you after listening that I may have gone a bit too far in the other direction. I appreciate your help immensely and will try and get a bit more of the stereo image back.
Thanks again for your help on this!

lbanks, I wonder why you got an error message? I would try and open it but my work blocked me out of soundclick.com. I'll check it when I get home tonight.

Dale

P.S., thanks for the vocal compliments...I used my "Jim-Morrison-after-a-night-of-heavy-drinking-then-woke-up-to-sing" voice. I think I was drinking hot tea and honey for a couple of days after that one!
 
Yeah,the link is down for me now too.

I was trying to listen again because I had a quick question...when you doubled the guitar, did you offset the tracks a little bit? You may have and I just didn't hear it, but if you didn't offset them, keep in mind that all you're doing is making a stereo LOOKING image that sounds mono, because it's got the same exact signal on both sides. Again, you can obviously play, so I think you'd be better off to just play the same part again and pan each one way the hell out there, like 80% each way. You might try it...you might like it...you might hate it, lol.
 
Link worked for me.

I agree with Chris. V2 is WAY too mono. Everything sounds dead in the middle to me.

Wow. went back and listened to version 1 - Nothing is in the middle.

The song sounds great tho, your mixing just stinks...lol. :D

Maybe start with the Mian Vox, snare and kick dead center, and spread the cymbals, toms, and guitars out.

Can't wait to hear V3.
 
Yeah, I agree, I suck at this. I try though :D I'm going to try and recapture the V1 settings and sound without the off-the-wall drum and vocal panning. Hopefully V3 will get it. If not, hell I'm having fun anyway! My wife is getting a little concerned that I'm spending the day at work and night working in my home studio, though. Gotta go pumpkin shopping tonight but I'll bet I can squeeze an hour or so of studio time in. ;)

Thanks for the input and good advice, man.
 
Hey, just keep at it...we are all still learning.

I still suck, but I have learned SO MUCH the last six months. I can A/B stuff from 6 months ago (that I thought sounded good), and I just have to laugh! :D

You'll get there.
 
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