wierd problem

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i have a very strange problem with my ecm8000, my d.i. box, and my at 25 pro..... i run all these through my desk (behri 2004) with "dummy" inserts (pre fader) into my ADAT... however with no gain what so ever on the pres, the signal going into the ADAT is too hot, not way to hot just too hot... any ideas?
 
Lower the Gain?
Somethimes with hot mics and loud sources there ain't enough pad available at the pre. I had to get some in-line pads over here.
Wayne
 
Turn down, fade out all your volume sources. Then raise them up at the beginning of the source and find good levels.
 
the gain is as far down as possible, the d.i. box is an easy fix, but the two mics are driving me crazy... the signal isn't clipping at the mixer at all, its just running out of the inserts very very hot, and clipping on the adat....

mixit, yopu mentioned in-line pads, any more info?
 
what flavor adats you got ?

use the balanced ins if available

is your behringer switchable between -10 and +4 ?

you ARE doing it the right way coming out of the inserts, dont go running it some other crappy way just to get another gain control...see if theres a way to change operating level somewhere. OR find an INLINE pad...or make one

lemme see if I can find some easy do it yourself ones...

perfect!~ :
http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pads/
 
My Mackie Mixer does the same thing to my ADATs, usually the snare drum. If your mixer can't lower the signal enough (does not have 'pad' buttons) you may be able to solve the problem by feeding tracks with your AUX sends. If that's not an option---prepare to spend money. I believe Shure manufactures microphone pads. I think most 'tube' direct boxes would be able to lower the gain and split the signal for you as well as... giving you a tube direct box.
 
dr.colossus said:
the gain is as far down as possible, the d.i. box is an easy fix, but the two mics are driving me crazy... the signal isn't clipping at the mixer at all, its just running out of the inserts very very hot, and clipping on the adat....

mixit, yopu mentioned in-line pads, any more info?

They're pads built into XLR cases. You can get them for line-level signals or mic level (actually the diference is their impedence I believe), single set pads or adjustable ones. I got the AT8202 to reduce the line-like levels out of the Earthworks mics. (On drums I can skip the pre-amp and they can still be to hot without the pads.)
But I think pipeline might be on to it; If your mixer is not clipping, it's not the mic, but maybe +4 signal from the mixer feeding -10 tape inputs. R the RCA in's -10?
Wayne
 
I think mixsit is right. I don't have a 2004 to look at, but does it have "tape out" RCA jacks? If it does, use those, if not, you can use a line level shifter to shift the signal from +4dBu to -10dBV.
EBTECH makes 2 units, a 2 channel unit (LLS-2) and an 8 channel rack-mount unit (LLS-8). They accept TS or TRS jacks, and have lots of uses. For instance, I use the LLS-2 to raise the unprocessed guitar out on a POD Pro to +4 to record dry tracks DI. The little one is $50, give or take, and the 8 channel unit about $180. In any event, I think your recorder is looking for a consumer level (-10dBV) signal. Not all line levels are created equal. Hope this helps-Richie
 
This is a case where the Mackies inserts are operating at +4 operating levels, and you are using the -10 inputs on the ADAT's, which would mean that that ADAT is seeing about 12dB more gain than it really wants to.

On ADAT's, the only way to get +4 operating levels is to use the Elco connection, which is by the way balanced (your inserts are unbalanced, but really, running the unbalanced to the balanced connection should not pose any problems....).

In line pads will solve the problem, but at the expense of running a transformer in-line. If the transformer is very high quality, like a Jensen, this will be mostly unnoticeable to your average set of ears. But a cheaper transformer is going to create phase distortion starting usually around 13-14KHz. You will notice that the sound is somewhat less open sounding.

Really, a line matching transformer is not a great solution. Those are great for when you have an emergency and need something to get you by. But for the long term solution, you really need to match you operating levels between the console and the ADAT to assure the most pristine, clean sound. An acceptable Elco cable and patch (both used) should cost you less than $200.

Good luck.

Ed
 
In this case' the AT's are just set of switched resisters.
We couldn't get my friends mini disk recorder take a line level feed from his little club pa box w/o crunching big time. Same thing.
:p
 
thanks guys, been away for a while .... i have some 10db pads on the way.... they were quite inexpensive (about $15u.s.), i would have made them myself but the casing was an issue...

i will have a look at the manual to see what the operating levels of the inserts on my mixer are, thanks a lot guys
 
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