mshilarious
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When you get older, you realize you would trade most of your principles for a couple extra hours of sleep and a few beers 
Fishmed
Well-known member
Ford Van said:Yeah, it is getting harder and harder to maintain big consoles. Just not enough studio business to justify the costs.
Last I checked, you had a Hill console? So you ditched that and got a MCI?
Ford Van,
When I first had the Hill board I was using an original Layla with Cakewalk. I upgrade my interface to a MOTU 2408 and then I wanted to use more than just the 8 analog tracks so I bought 2 Korg 168RC Digital Mixers and linked them together. I was able to use all of my ADAT I/O at this point. I did not like them that much because the set up was cumbersome and the quality was too sterile. I got a chance to ditch them and get an MCI 416 Mixer. I loved it and it sounded GREAT. One of the channels was modified to a John Hardy mic pre. I added an Alesis AI-3 to have at least 16 channels, I later replaced the AI-3 with two ADAT XT recorders which I used mainly as AD/DA converters, and I really liked having the LED meters. After I several incidents with the stability of Windows, I felt it was time to leave the PC realm for multi tracking and go the HD24.
As great sounding as the MCI board was, it was never in 100% working order and it was a pain keeping the channels up that I did have. So the summer before last I sold the big MCI console for something with less maintenance overhead and smaller in size since space is limited at my studio. I would have liked to have gotten the Tascam DM24, but I settled for the Behringer DDX3216 (fitting for this post). Although I am not crazy about the mic pre’s, they will get me by until I can afford the ones I want (2 sets of fully loaded John Hardy M-2 Mic Preamps). I rarely use the effects DDX3216 because I like my out board effect units better, but it is nice that the 4 sets on board are there if I ever get in a pinch with a complex mix. I use an out board compressor for main vocals and use the built in compression on minor parts of the mix when needed. I do use the parametric EQs. I have not gotten into the automation feature yet, but I like the ability to take snapshots of my settings so that I can go back and make minor changes with ease.
If I start getting more and better paying customers I will consider then on ugrading my board.
Fishmed
Well-known member
Ford Van said:Really? I mean, I use a UB802 between my Lynx One soundcard and Hafler P3000 amp.
I mixed this in Sonar with the UB802 between the soundcard and power amp. I recorded the distorted rhythms via my JStation going into the UB802, but, the electrics sort of got buried in the mix by request of the client. Now, if the Behringer mixer is the WORST, then this mix should sound really crappy! It doesn't, so, I guess the Behringer isn't so bad really.
I played the guitar solo and electric guitars on this one, a JStation running into the line in of the UB802, then into the soundcard (did it this way so that I could use the Aux Send to the soundcard, and be able to adjust my monitoring volume seperate). I got quite a few compliments about the guitar tone! Ran thru a cheap ol' Behringer mixer! I guess it should have sucked more, but it didn't!Chris Harris mixed this one, so send HIM your mix comments.
Really guys, you can talk shit, but you can't back it up very well because, well, I am posting all this great sounding audio where I used Behringer gear!
Good Job. I need to post some of my latest work soon.
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Brad_C
New member
Ford Van said:LOL...Having a LOT of EXPERIENCE in this, I have notice that ONLY the young are bugged by that kind of thing!
The young are taught to be mature and curtius to people
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
Well, one good thing about Behringer gear at least. It seems to bring all of us oldtimers out in force!
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Lt. Bob said:Well, one good thing about Behringer gear at least. It seems to bring all of us oldtimers out in force!
LMAO!!!!
D@mn General, that is soooooooooooo true!!!!
Ford Van
Banned
Isn't that the crux of it all? More and better paying customers! 
I don't mind paying quality dollar for the top notch gear. But, in a for hire studio anymore, you can hardly recoup your investment, let alone make money for your time!
It is funny that guys at a website for HOME RECORDING, the vary guys who have put many decent studios out of business because they can't afford to keep the doors open, are the same guys that are complaining about cheap gear! LOL
I mean, isn't that the point? Do it for cheaper?
Behringer came to be because there is a HUGE market for usable tools at rock bottom prices.
It is funny that Behringer get's such a bad rap on their mixers, yet I see Alesis mentioned here. EVERY SINGLE ALESIS mixer I have ever seen had at LEAST one knob/button/fader that didn't work! I have read complaint and complaint about their power supplies going bad!
Sampson you say? Oh my! Some of the cheapest ass power amps I have ever used with Sampsons! They are always blowing up speakers too!
Nady? Oh my. They should have stopped with their cruddy wireless systems, but, now they make everything. This club I used to work at had all these Nady drum mics. Those things were the worst sounding peices of shit I have ever heard!
Anyway....
I don't mind paying quality dollar for the top notch gear. But, in a for hire studio anymore, you can hardly recoup your investment, let alone make money for your time!
It is funny that guys at a website for HOME RECORDING, the vary guys who have put many decent studios out of business because they can't afford to keep the doors open, are the same guys that are complaining about cheap gear! LOL
I mean, isn't that the point? Do it for cheaper?
Behringer came to be because there is a HUGE market for usable tools at rock bottom prices.
It is funny that Behringer get's such a bad rap on their mixers, yet I see Alesis mentioned here. EVERY SINGLE ALESIS mixer I have ever seen had at LEAST one knob/button/fader that didn't work! I have read complaint and complaint about their power supplies going bad!
Sampson you say? Oh my! Some of the cheapest ass power amps I have ever used with Sampsons! They are always blowing up speakers too!
Nady? Oh my. They should have stopped with their cruddy wireless systems, but, now they make everything. This club I used to work at had all these Nady drum mics. Those things were the worst sounding peices of shit I have ever heard!
Anyway....
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Ford Van said:Isn't that the crux of it all? More and better paying customers!
I don't mind paying quality dollar for the top notch gear. But, in a for hire studio anymore, you can hardly recoup your investment, let alone make money for your time!
It is funny that guys at a website for HOME RECORDING, the vary guys who have put many decent studios out of business because they can't afford to keep the doors open, are the same guys that are complaining about cheap gear! LOL
I mean, isn't that the point? Do it for cheaper?
Behringer came to be because there is a HUGE market for usable tools at rock bottom prices.
It is funny that Behringer get's such a bad rap on their mixers, yet I see Alesis mentioned here. EVERY SINGLE ALESIS mixer I have ever seen had at LEAST one knob/button/fader that didn't work! I have read complaint and complaint about their power supplies going bad!
Sampson you say? Oh my! Some of the cheapest ass power amps I have ever used with Sampsons! They are always blowing up speakers too!
Nady? Oh my. They should have stopped with their cruddy wireless systems, but, now they make everything. This club I used to work at had all these Nady drum mics. Those things were the worst sounding peices of shit I have ever heard!
Anyway....
But all the aforementioned Companies DO make better mixers than Behringer(well maybe except for Nady!
)!
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I have to chime in on Nady. Every thing I've ever heard of theirs sucked. And I don't mean the good kind of sucking either.
That tube mic of theirs .... OMG! .... could it be any harsher?
Don't buy behringer if you don't like it but please, and I say please ... don't buy Nady!
That tube mic of theirs .... OMG! .... could it be any harsher?
Don't buy behringer if you don't like it but please, and I say please ... don't buy Nady!
Ford Van
Banned
MISTERQCUE said:But all the aforementioned Companies DO make better mixers than Behringer(well maybe except for Nady!
Well Aaron, being a guy that has actually USED mixers by all those companies, I can safely say that I have seen NO difference in quality in that price range!
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
In addition, comparing an Alesis to say if Beh's MX line of mixers is a fools bet!
for 1 reason ,Beh's MX line is equipped with large transformers w/o adequate ventilation which builds up heat and contributes to noisey signal paths (as well as burnouts). I'VE BEEN THERE with Beh's CUSTOMER SERVICE who ALSO admitted that is a Major fault of the MX line!
for 1 reason ,Beh's MX line is equipped with large transformers w/o adequate ventilation which builds up heat and contributes to noisey signal paths (as well as burnouts). I'VE BEEN THERE with Beh's CUSTOMER SERVICE who ALSO admitted that is a Major fault of the MX line!
noisedude
New member
This is awesome! I knew sonus-man had what it took to bring some of these old fogies out of retirement
Brad C, you are a wacky guy. There are many extremely enthusiastic and engaging youngsters on this website ... people like CanopuS and Drummerdude666, from my own neck of the global woods, who have come onto this forum, asked questions, shared MP3s and generally learned a lot.
In my experience, it's not young people who react badly to people like Ed ... it's people with ego issues (either positive or negative).
Brad C, you are a wacky guy. There are many extremely enthusiastic and engaging youngsters on this website ... people like CanopuS and Drummerdude666, from my own neck of the global woods, who have come onto this forum, asked questions, shared MP3s and generally learned a lot.
In my experience, it's not young people who react badly to people like Ed ... it's people with ego issues (either positive or negative).
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Brad_C
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noisedude said:This is awesome! I knew sonus-man had what it took to bring some of these old fogies out of retirement
Brad C, you are a wacky guy. There are many extremely enthusiastic and engaging youngsters on this website ... people like CanopuS and Drummerdude666, from my own neck of the global woods, who have come onto this forum, asked questions, shared MP3s and generally learned a lot.
In my experience, it's not young people who react badly to people like Ed ... it's people with ego issues (either positive or negative).
Trust me I have no ego.
BigRay
New member
and obviously not how to spell.
Just kidding man, dont take it too seriously. You show weakness, people will eat you alive and keep messing with you. Some people thrive off of being bullies. The ultimate sign of maturity is knowing when to overlook comments you dont agree with and just walk away. These guys are older than you, and by that merit alone, you should show them some respect. You arent going to win, you arent going to change anyones mind, and you are in the position now of an animal in a cage getting poked with sticks to see how mad you get. Just ignore it man....
Just kidding man, dont take it too seriously. You show weakness, people will eat you alive and keep messing with you. Some people thrive off of being bullies. The ultimate sign of maturity is knowing when to overlook comments you dont agree with and just walk away. These guys are older than you, and by that merit alone, you should show them some respect. You arent going to win, you arent going to change anyones mind, and you are in the position now of an animal in a cage getting poked with sticks to see how mad you get. Just ignore it man....
Brad_C said:
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
BigRay said:and obviously not how to spell.
Just kidding man, dont take it too seriously. You show weakness, people will eat you alive and keep messing with you. .
True!!!!!!!!!!
BTW BigRay, who 'da hell are you!!??
You from the "old HR dayz"?Jus' kiddin'!
BigRay
New member
No, I am newer...but every bit the smart ass and twice as sarcastic.
Ive been around for a bit though, 15+ years as a professional musician. Still learning the recording side of things. Got a lot to learn, I do.
I havent had good experiences with Behringer products..I try to save my pennies and get better stuff. Arent they notorious for "borrowing " schematics from other companies?
Ive been around for a bit though, 15+ years as a professional musician. Still learning the recording side of things. Got a lot to learn, I do.
I havent had good experiences with Behringer products..I try to save my pennies and get better stuff. Arent they notorious for "borrowing " schematics from other companies?
Lt. Bob
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Yeah ... but nowadays I wonder how much truly original engineering is done by any of these companies. A lot of this stuff just comes from the years of designs that preceded them. To some extent .. a mixer is a straightforward simple electronic design and none of these guys really invented it so I personally don't mind the copying too much.BigRay said:
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HappyTapper
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My 2 cents,
I have a Behringer mixer attached to an old Boss BR8.
Both are about the same age.
The BR8 Broke all on it's own one day (never left the desk I put it on straight out of the box).
Problem with the soldering on the main chip that was a known documented problem. I called Roland and they fixed it free of charge so no complaints except it was a bit of a hassle and a bad memory.
Mixer however has been around town and borrowed a few times. It is starting to look a little used.
The BR8 has only fingerprints on it (looks like new basically).
I really have to admit that after reading all the negativity towards Behringer products here, I looked at my mixer with a suspicious eye for a while there.
I do feel however that I got my money's worth out of it (about 170 bucks if I remember correctly). It has been a piece of gear that has NOT given me any problems whatsoever.
Must have gotten a good one eh?
I have other Behringer gear that has worked flawlessly and really do not have a complaint about their gear at this point.
I'm Planning on upgrading to a BR1600 as soon as I find a store in my area that has one in stock. Seems they were a very hot seller for Christmas.
I like Roland as a company and find that they have GREAT support, so even if by some chance the BR1600 is a dud I'm not worried at all. They have always squared the deal in the past.
Not very sure about Behringer's support though. I wouldnt know where to start.
As far as Behringer ripping off other company's idea's, how many different way's are there to make a power amp, mixer, speaker, bass amp ect?
Lot's of the same parts in each I'm sure.
I work in the Q.C. dept. of a HUGE American company and perform reverse engineering for a living. I'm under the impression that it is a VERY common occurance among global company's.
C'est La vie
My 2 cents,
Howie
I have a Behringer mixer attached to an old Boss BR8.
Both are about the same age.
The BR8 Broke all on it's own one day (never left the desk I put it on straight out of the box).
Problem with the soldering on the main chip that was a known documented problem. I called Roland and they fixed it free of charge so no complaints except it was a bit of a hassle and a bad memory.
Mixer however has been around town and borrowed a few times. It is starting to look a little used.
The BR8 has only fingerprints on it (looks like new basically).
I really have to admit that after reading all the negativity towards Behringer products here, I looked at my mixer with a suspicious eye for a while there.
I do feel however that I got my money's worth out of it (about 170 bucks if I remember correctly). It has been a piece of gear that has NOT given me any problems whatsoever.
Must have gotten a good one eh?
I have other Behringer gear that has worked flawlessly and really do not have a complaint about their gear at this point.
I'm Planning on upgrading to a BR1600 as soon as I find a store in my area that has one in stock. Seems they were a very hot seller for Christmas.
I like Roland as a company and find that they have GREAT support, so even if by some chance the BR1600 is a dud I'm not worried at all. They have always squared the deal in the past.
Not very sure about Behringer's support though. I wouldnt know where to start.
As far as Behringer ripping off other company's idea's, how many different way's are there to make a power amp, mixer, speaker, bass amp ect?
Lot's of the same parts in each I'm sure.
I work in the Q.C. dept. of a HUGE American company and perform reverse engineering for a living. I'm under the impression that it is a VERY common occurance among global company's.
C'est La vie
My 2 cents,
Howie
BigRay
New member
Good point Sir.
I was just wondering about that. My own experience with Behringer is that they seem to be cheaply made products, real "Mickey Mouse" deals...The obviously work for a lot of people, but I dont really trust them, and dont like how they perform.
Id rather eat peanut butter and jelly and curb my bar habits for a month to buy higher level gear than worry at all about equipment failure. (and ive heard a LOT of horror stories about Behringer gear failing soon after purchase.) sure people can say its only 170 bucks...but why not save that 170 bucks and put more with it and get better gear???Id personally rather have 1 u47 and a neve than a room full of nadys and behringers.
http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838
My music is a reflection of me, and I want the best I can get, and I will cut whatever corners from my own "fun" to do so. (of course Wife comes first, and bills)..I havent been out in about a year and a half , havent bought a CD or Massage in over 3 years.but i Have a decent mic collection now.
Of course if you simply LIKE behringer better than anything else, then thats the right answer anyway.The whole budget thing gets me...Most here do it for fun, and arent on any deadline, yeah??So dont some folks have the opportunity to get better stuff if theyd save?
I was just wondering about that. My own experience with Behringer is that they seem to be cheaply made products, real "Mickey Mouse" deals...The obviously work for a lot of people, but I dont really trust them, and dont like how they perform.
Id rather eat peanut butter and jelly and curb my bar habits for a month to buy higher level gear than worry at all about equipment failure. (and ive heard a LOT of horror stories about Behringer gear failing soon after purchase.) sure people can say its only 170 bucks...but why not save that 170 bucks and put more with it and get better gear???Id personally rather have 1 u47 and a neve than a room full of nadys and behringers.
http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838
My music is a reflection of me, and I want the best I can get, and I will cut whatever corners from my own "fun" to do so. (of course Wife comes first, and bills)..I havent been out in about a year and a half , havent bought a CD or Massage in over 3 years.but i Have a decent mic collection now.
Of course if you simply LIKE behringer better than anything else, then thats the right answer anyway.The whole budget thing gets me...Most here do it for fun, and arent on any deadline, yeah??So dont some folks have the opportunity to get better stuff if theyd save?
Lt. Bob said:
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Lt. Bob said:
This is true! Everybody copies from everybody!