Why is so unequable the recorded guitar strip?

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DM60 said:
I don't hate Germans in general, just don't like the ones I have met. I have met a bunch.
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Hehe...Well, I was just joking (again. maybe I need to stop doing that). But let's see if you get attacked as hard as I did. Mine was a joke. Yours was serious. I like it!!!! :)
 
RAMI is Canadian....and that explains a lot about his problems with English. :laughings:
 
Chili said:
:eek: :confused: I don't know, I might have to throw the bullshit flag on this one. A transient is still an oscillating wave, just loaded with higher freqs. It's not just one pulse or attack. I look at waveforms in my tunes and don't see the picking pattern represented like in the OPs pic. Maybe his waveform is due to a dc offset?? Or maybe your first answer, misuse of a compressor is pretty common.

Albeit, if you come back and say the picking of a string can definitely cause weird waverforms, I'll believe you as you have a lot more experience than me. I've just never seen it nor does it make sense that it would cause that phenomenon.
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It will happen more with a DI of an acoustic, since the direction the string travels is directly related to the waveform. With miked acoustic, there is too much interaction with other things and it isn't as common.

It was, of course, a wild guess, since I couldn't hear it, I could just see the waveform.
 
My one-eyed Texas Trouser Snake has had a lot of interaction with several German Frauliens, and I must say that despite the language barrier, we got along just fine!;)
 
I don't hate Germans, but I do fucking hate Illinois nazis! Those bums won their court case so they're marching today.*




*Bonus points if you get it.
 
Farview said:
If you only pick in one direction, the transients will only be in that direction. You will find this in trumpet waveforms, because the player is always blowing out, and direct signals from bowed instruments with pickups, because the bow drags the string in a single direction. However with bowed instruments, the direction of the wave will change with the direction of the bowing.
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This seems to defy every physics lesson on acoustics I've ever had. Sound is generated through the vibrations of a medium, and those vibrations are independent of the means by which they are actuated. Transients, therefore, are not influenced by the direction in which you pick, scrape, bang or blow on something.
 
Greg_L said:
I do fucking hate Illinois nazis! Those bums won their court case so they're marching today.*
*Bonus points if you get it.
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It's a Blues brothers quote, right? I still don't get it after all these years, but I know it's a popular quote from the movie.

(never saw the movie, but who doesn't know the Blues Bros?)
 
RAMI said:
It's a Blues brothers quote, right? I still don't get it after all these years, but I know it's a popular quote from the movie.

(never saw the movie, but who doesn't know the Blues Bros?)
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Yup, Blues Brothers. Great movie.
 
venndi said:
This is a WTF language "you know". Jesus Christ, WTF is this site, music-forum or some "learning english" site? I failed :D?
I had ask a question, I think, everyone had understood who want. But yeah, the unequable word was just a too fast without thinking (if you think on this word) :)
Rami, I think you have a problem with these people, if not why have you, then why have commented my mistakes...But your name tell me everything about you :DDD
But OK, next time I'll go to some other site.
Between I speak 2 language perfect, + I speak little german and little english.

Thanks Farview!
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I understood the first post better than this one! :facepalm: I don't think he/she is German, just speaks a little german and pidgeon-English.
 
Greg_L said:
Yup, Blues Brothers. Great movie.
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I don't know if this is what they meant in the movie, but now its become a way to describe a sort of "Northern Racist", like a white supremacist without the typical southern drawl, etc....I've heard it used in that context a few times.
 
venndi said:
This is a WTF language "you know". Jesus Christ, WTF is this site, music-forum or some "learning english" site? I failed :D?
I had ask a question, I think, everyone had understood who want. But yeah, the unequable word was just a too fast without thinking (if you think on this word) :)
Rami, I think you have a problem with these people, if not why have you, then why have commented my mistakes...But your name tell me everything about you :DDD
But OK, next time I'll go to some other site.
Between I speak 2 language perfect, + I speak little german and little english.

Thanks Farview!
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lol .... Farview was just screwing with you first off ...... secondly, oh wait .... you're not here since you're going to go somewhere else!
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gecko zzed said:
This seems to defy every physics lesson on acoustics I've ever had. Sound is generated through the vibrations of a medium, and those vibrations are independent of the means by which they are actuated. Transients, therefore, are not influenced by the direction in which you pick, scrape, bang or blow on something.
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^^^^^ this ^^^^^^
Which is why I said Farview was just screwing with him since there's no truth to any of that ...... "bowing the other way reverses the waveform" .... hahahahaha ..... classic Farview!
 
RAMI said:
I don't know if this is what they meant in the movie, but now its become a way to describe a sort of "Northern Racist", like a white supremacist without the typical southern drawl, etc....I've heard it used in that context a few times.
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I think it was more just about how ridiculous the term "Illinois Nazi" sounds. Besides Chicago, Illinois on the whole is about as bland and boring as it gets and the idea that there would be specific "Illinois" nazis is silly. Here's the scene, it's a classic:


From that point, the bumbling Illinois Nazis are in hot pursuit of the Blues Brothers throughout the movie.
 
Chili said:
:eek: :confused: I don't know, I might have to throw the bullshit flag on this one. A transient is still an oscillating wave
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I was going to say something similar, and add that for that to be caused by compression, it would have to have zero attack and a release time of exactly 1.0/(sampling rate * 2.0) , so it would only attack the positive half of each oscillation and release the negative half. 0.01133(snip)MS for 44,100. I've never seen a comp with a release that fast, but it would be easy to code, so it probably exists, lol... It could be any poorly coded plugin that would cause something like that if used in an unexpected environment, for that matter, I suppose - one that doesn't realize there's twice as many samples as it's actually processing.

Farview said:
It will happen more with a DI of an acoustic, since the direction the string travels is directly related to the waveform.
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Is that right? I can kind of get my head around that, but it still seems like even if that is correct it would only affect the very first oscillation, as opposed to every last one of the thousands in the pic of the waveform.


@OP: I've only seen waveforms like that when there's an electrical problem going on, maybe a bad cable, bad ground or some really questionable series of adapters... I'd suggest swapping some cables and checking your grounds.

edit: Wait... it was a joke? I got trolled? ... nice one...
 
gecko zzed said:
This seems to defy every physics lesson on acoustics I've ever had. Sound is generated through the vibrations of a medium, and those vibrations are independent of the means by which they are actuated. Transients, therefore, are not influenced by the direction in which you pick, scrape, bang or blow on something.
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Get a violin with a pickup, plug it directly into your interface and hit record. Look at the waveform and you will be able to tell the difference between when the instrument is bowed one direction and the other. I will try to post an electric violin DI track to show you.
 
With instruments like horns, the waveform is always asymmetrical. This is because the transient, made by the lips of the player opening and snapping together are always pushing in the same direction while the resonance of the instrument is relatively quiet in comparison.

Obviously, the farther away from the instrument the mic is placed, the more interaction the room has and the softer the transients become in comparison to the rest of the sound hitting the mic, so the waveform isn't as lob-sided.
 
I think I get how the bow would make the wave off-center when through a DI, Farview, but wouldn't that only apply to instruments that are played with a bow, though? Since it's the bow pulling on the string that pulls it off-center of the pickup and makes it oscillate around said off-center point? With a guitar, the string won't continue oscillating off-center like that no matter how hard you hit it in either direction, it seems to me...idk, need coffee...kinda interesting though, what you're saying.
 
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