Why is it so hard to get Louder Recordings?

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barry c said:
Why no, i'lm not
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I think you are because I can get it to do whatever I want it do and I barely even mess with it. I hate it but it's okay for what I use it for. I'm no EZ Drummer pro, I just have common sense and an ear for drums. I can make it work for me with little effort. Maybe you just need more practice with it.
 
miroslav said:
Wait now....we've all been part of the barry c clusterfucks, so we should all hear WTF we're trying to help him fix. :D
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That's up to him. But keep your pants on, I don't expect to hear from him. :laughings:
 
barry c said:
Ez drummer is not touch senstive. One weakness it has, kind of stuck with how hard the guy hit the samples
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Then shell out and buy a better program with layered samples and save yourself eons of stuffing around...

I find it hard to believe that EZ Drummer, which is probably the most popular of the lot, got a real drummer into their studio, sat him down at a snare drum and sit "hit that fucker... just once!" and then went "Thanks, OK, you can go now..." and that's all you have to deal with.

Firstly the 127 velocity options are MIDI. Nothing to do with drum samples... secondly, with about 2 seconds of googling I found this direct response from Toontrack on the EZ Drummer forum, which says that you're wrong there, my man....

"Hi,

and thank you for your interest in Toontrack products.
I saw you posted the same question about EZdrummer, so I'll answer them both here.

It does not work the way you seem to think. The answer would be 127 or 3 and none of them would be correct.
The drums are sampled through all microphones; from the softest hits to the loudest, with several hits.
When all samples are recorded, they are placed in three sample pools; soft, gradient and hard hits.
The engine can both pick samples that "equals" the velocity value sent but also neighboring samples in that pool with the volume lowered/raised to match the output.
This is one of the "tricks" the engine performs for giving you a non-machine gun playback of samples.

EZdrummer EZX:s has fewer samples in the pools than Superior 2 SDX:s, apart from being 16-bit and also fewer instruments included."

Here
 
Armistice said:
Then shell out and buy a better program with layered samples and save yourself eons of stuffing around...

I find it hard to believe that EZ Drummer, which is probably the most popular of the lot, got a real drummer into their studio, sat him down at a snare drum and sit "hit that fucker... just once!" and then went "Thanks, OK, you can go now..." and that's all you have to deal with.

Firstly the 127 velocity options are MIDI. Nothing to do with drum samples... secondly, with about 2 seconds of googling I found this direct response from Toontrack on the EZ Drummer forum, which says that you're wrong there, my man....

"Hi,

and thank you for your interest in Toontrack products.
I saw you posted the same question about EZdrummer, so I'll answer them both here.

It does not work the way you seem to think. The answer would be 127 or 3 and none of them would be correct.
The drums are sampled through all microphones; from the softest hits to the loudest, with several hits.
When all samples are recorded, they are placed in three sample pools; soft, gradient and hard hits.
The engine can both pick samples that "equals" the velocity value sent but also neighboring samples in that pool with the volume lowered/raised to match the output.
This is one of the "tricks" the engine performs for giving you a non-machine gun playback of samples.

EZdrummer EZX:s has fewer samples in the pools than Superior 2 SDX:s, apart from being 16-bit and also fewer instruments included."

Here
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Can I hear some of your work before u tell me to shell something out?
 
Greg_L said:
lol.....:facepalm:

So you want the raw basic boring ass stock drum track "fuller and louder" before you add anything else to the mix?
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Jeez... the stock track has low volume rattles on it.. you know, when the drummer just softly bounces the stick on the snare drum (Greg will tell me the correct term...) and they sound completely different to the louder snare hits which sound different to each other anyway because, see above, they are...
 
barry c said:
nothing wrong with that track, im a songwriter a fucking good one
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Riiiight.

That drum track is bone-stock EZ Drummer boringness. You haven't even scratched the surface on making an interesting and good sounding drum track with EZ Drummer. Keep practicing with it.

So that's about it for me. Good luck, buddy.
 
Armistice said:
Jeez... the stock track has low volume rattles on it.. you know, when the drummer just softly bounces the stick on the snare drum (Greg will tell me the correct term...) and they sound completely different to the louder snare hits which sound different to each other anyway because, see above, they are...
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Ghost notes.
 
Armistice said:
Jeez... the stock track has low volume rattles on it.. you know, when the drummer just softly bounces the stick on the snare drum (Greg will tell me the correct term...) and they sound completely different to the louder snare hits which sound different to each other anyway because, see above, they are...
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You didnt even know what a fuckin roll is, and you want to fight with me. Let me hear your drums, let me see how they are vastly superior to mine, u dolt. I use the parts it comes with dipshit, that drum roll is as is, i didnt lower it
 
Greg_L said:
Riiiight.

That drum track is bone-stock EZ Drummer boringness. You haven't even scratched the surface on making an interesting and good sounding drum track with EZ Drummer. Keep practicing with it.

So that's about it for me. Good luck, buddy.
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Yeah Charlie Watts and Ringo made alot of INTERESTING tracks, knock it off
 
barry c said:
ok here is a basic track i did for a great song I wrote. If I could get this sounding full and louder, it would totally be suffice
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Fuller and louder relative to what?

If you don't like the sound of the kit....change it. If the groove is boring, fix it.
If you want it "louder"....why not wait for the mix and then see how loud it needs to be.

I don't get why you have so much trouble with EZ and the kits and loudness. OK, maybe you need some other expansion packs to pick different kits from, but AFA the loudness....I just turn the track up/down in my DAW, and it's fine. I don't get any distortion....but just how loud do you need it to be, and again, louder relative to what?
 
Armistice said:
Gravity

Sure, knock yourself out. I think that link's still active but I can't access it at work. Of which, I need to do some. Good luck...
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No different than What Im doing with mine. Yours is just mixed better. It aint the drum playing, I dont even play drums and I could bang that part out one try
 
barry c said:
You didnt even know what a fuckin roll is, and you want to fight with me. Let me hear your drums, let me see how they are vastly superior to mine, u dolt. I use the parts it comes with dipshit, that drum roll is as is, i didnt lower it
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Making more friends on the forums.....
 
miroslav said:
Fuller and louder relative to what?

If you don't like the sound of the kit....change it. If the groove is boring, fix it.
If you want it "louder"....why not wait for the mix and then see how loud it needs to be.

I don't get why you have so much trouble with EZ and the kits and loudness. OK, maybe you need some other expansion packs to pick different kits from, but AFA the loudness....I just turn the track up/down in my DAW, and it's fine. I don't get any distortion....but just how loud do you need it to be, and again, louder relative to what?
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I change all the grooves. I program drums to support my songs, im not trying to be keith moon
 
right off the site, a master quality recording. And I doubt they spent as much time as I did creating those drum parts.

Can easily be used to make great recordings

Toontrack - EZdrummer
 
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