Why is it so hard to get Louder Recordings?

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barry c said:
ezdrummer, first of all not as easy as you think. getting it to play every little nuance you want takes fucking hours of time.

But it's not touch senstive, one voume fits all, but finding it is harder than you think
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I use EZ drummer for demoing songs before tracking drums for real. It is time consuming for sure, but it is quite easy. Maybe you just need to learn the program better before you go trying to get Green Day loud.
 
fat_fleet said:
Is your question about the final mixdown volume or getting EZDrummer gain right during tracking? If the latter, does your DAW come with a software mixer?
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You know, I think that is a good question. Does he even have a DAW.

@Barry, what is your DAW, we can start from there?
 
DM60 said:
You know, I think that is a good question. Does he even have a DAW.

@Barry, what is your DAW, we can start from there?
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LOL no, I use two tape recorders in my home. Yes I use sonar, i also have magix and cubase

You guys dont seem to get what I mean, with compression and limiters, the overall effect of the recording is not as loud as others I hear. if I try to get louder it gets distorted, and people will say it's clipping.
 
Greg_L said:
I use EZ drummer for demoing songs before tracking drums for real. It is time consuming for sure, but it is quite easy. Maybe you just need to learn the program better before you go trying to get Green Day loud.
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I dont want greendays sound, just used them as example cause they get loud

I know the program pretty well, very well id say
 
barry c said:
LOL no, I use two tape recorders in my home. Yes I use sonar, i also have magix and cubase

You guys dont seem to get what I mean, with compression and limiters, the overall effect of the recording is not as loud as others I hear. if I try to get louder it gets distorted, and people will say it's clipping.
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You're doing it wrong.
 
barry c said:
I dont want greendays sound, jst used them as example cause the get loud

I know the program pretty well, very well id say
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Green Day does get loud, and clear, and clean, and they have an army of professional mastering engineers and an unlimited budget. Nice goal to aspire to with your mixes, but you won't get there with EZ drummer and a bunch of pirated software.
 
barry c said:
That is why I asked, but knowing im doing it wrong, doesnt make it right. Instead of telling me what Im doing wrong, tell me how to make it right
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I would but you haven't been nice to me.
 
barry c said:
LOL no, I use two tape recorders in my home. Yes I use sonar, i also have magix and cubase

You guys dont seem to get what I mean, with compression and limiters, the overall effect of the recording is not as loud as others I hear. if I try to get louder it gets distorted, and people will say it's clipping.
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So you are just using EZD playing the MIDI grooves inside EZD and running that to an external recorder?

If that is correct, what type of interface are you running to the outboard recorders? Straight from the computer headphone jack?
 
DM60 said:
So you are just using EZD playing the MIDI grooves inside EZD and running that to an external recorder?

If that is correct, what type of interface are you running to the outboard recorders? Straight from the computer headphone jack?
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ez drummer is a vst, it can sit right in a window, be mixed for volumes right along with all the other parts in your song, and then mixed down to a stereo wav. Or you can mix the kit down to wave first, and then treat it as a real kit in terms of sonic qualities.
 
Greg_L said:
Green Day does get loud, and clear, and clean, and they have an army of professional mastering engineers and an unlimited budget. Nice goal to aspire to with your mixes, but you won't get there with EZ drummer and a bunch of pirated software.
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Ill go along with not getting there, but I disgree that ez drummer cant be used for a master quality recording, doesnt beat a real drummer by any stretch but it's pretty damn good
 
barry c said:
ezdrummer, first of all not as easy as you think. getting it to play every little nuance you want takes fucking hours of time.

But it's not touch senstive, one voume fits all, but finding it is harder than you think
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One volume fits all? No it doesn't...

I program Addictive Drums note by note by note. You have 126 different "volumes" to choose from.

You have to work out whether a snare hit (and it's always a fucking snare) at 85 sounds better than a hit a 110 because they use different samples and they sound different.... a matter of working out what's best for the song, tonally.

The same thing a real drummer would do if they tracked a tune and went back and thought "you know, a lighter touch on the snare might work better in this song..." Except all we MIDI drumbers have to do is turn the "volume" down to get a different sample.

I get all this, but this has nothing to do with volume, just sample tone, and once you work out your tone, and use both your DAW mixer and the (assumption) EZ Drummer interface mixer mix it into your music, then it just becomes part of everything else and shouldn't really be that much a separate issue in the quest for overall volume in the final mix unless you've done some really crazy shit in your mixing...

So, I don't think anyone here is sure of what your problem is... hence we say "post a sample" so we can help...
 
Armistice said:
One volume fits all? No it doesn't...

I program Addictive Drums note by note by note. You have 126 different "volumes" to choose from.

You have to work out whether a snare hit (and it's always a fucking snare) at 85 sounds better than a hit a 110 because they use different samples and they sound different.... a matter of working out what's best for the song, tonally.

The same thing a real drummer would do if they tracked a tune and went back and thought "you know, a lighter touch on the snare might work better in this song..." Except all we MIDI drumbers have to do is turn the "volume" down to get a different sample.

I get all this, but this has nothing to do with volume, just sample tone, and once you work out your tone, and use both your DAW mixer and the (assumption) EZ Drummer interface mixer mix it into your music, then it just becomes part of everything else and shouldn't really be that much a separate issue in the quest for overall volume in the final mix unless you've done some really crazy shit in your mixing...

So, I don't think anyone here is sure of what your problem is... hence we say "post a sample" so we can help...
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Ez drummer is not touch senstive. One weakness it has, kind of stuck with how hard the guy hit the samples
 
barry c said:
Ill go along with not getting there, but I disgree that ez drummer cant be used for a master quality recording, doesnt beat a real drummer by any stretch but it's pretty damn good
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No, not really. I think it could be good with the right person at the controls and with certain add-on packs, but the stock kits being used by a n00b is a horrible combo. I hear more bad EZ Drummer stuff than good.
 
barry c said:
ezdrummer, first of all not as easy as you think. getting it to play every little nuance you want takes fucking hours of time.

But it's not touch senstive, one voume fits all, but finding it is harder than you think
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Your talking about getting the grooves to sound right.....that's not up to EZ drummer, that's up to you.

Also, if you want more control of the kits, the mixing, etc......get Superior Drummer.....but then you got a bigger learning curve, and it sounds like you already have your hands full with EZ.

And as I said in the EX Drummer thread in the other forum....drop the grooves into your MIDI Editor, and there you can really go to town AFA velocities and feel, but editing the individual notes/hits.
 
Greg_L said:
No, not really. I think it could be good with the right person at the controls and with certain add-on packs, but the stock kits being used by a n00b is a horrible combo. I hear more bad EZ Drummer stuff than good.
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Ill load up some tracks for you to hear, the performance is not an issue
 
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