Why a mixer?

[Ethan Winer]

T,

> ok...u use sonar what special magic trick do u do then? <

There is no magic. You keep a minimal and clean signal path, and make sure your levels are not too low or too high.

> y don't u bring your views to prosoundweb anyway i never see u makin noise there. <

I do drop by there every day, but I have yet to see anything worth contributing to. I purposely avoid threads like "what mike should I get?" and "what preamp is the best?" because those discussions are pointless. If you know what you're doing, you can make a good recording with just about any gear. Too often I see beginners like you ask such questions, when the real issues are - and I've said this again and again - learning how to place microphones in a room, and truly understanding basic gear (or plug-in equivalents) like equalizers and compressors.

--Ethan

 

[A1MixMan]

Heartbeat!

I back you up DavidK

 

[Paul881]

Heartbeat here too (with palpatations!)

With you all the way DavidK.

 

[Teacher]

Ethan Whiner

u are absolutely right we can't get away from the point that any talented and experience engineer can make a great record with our a equipment. I"m sorry but i gotta quote MM, gear either makes ur life easier or harder...and making computer recordings sound sonically comparable to more expensive outboard gear is HARDER...if ya don't agree ya all should be workin wit labels and tracking for britney & n-sync which ya "professional" recordings . Ethan a reason i feel strongly about computer shortfall is because people that live and DIE by pro tools recognize its shortfall sonicaly....i just asked one of the mods if he can get info on the other apps like DP3, Logic, Nuendo, and Sonar and see if they suffer from this shortfall. He's gotten work from Motu and Emagic so far i'll keep yall posted..

DavidK

My name "Teacher" got nothing to do wit i know everything about audio recording. its my Emcee, Producer moniker, because i can teach u how to live life. I go to that site to learn about sound, mixing, mastering gear, i come hear for that too but primarily for Sonar thats y u'll see almost all my posts in this forum i was broken up to when i was told my recording medium sucked compared to other pro mediums...instead acting like these guys are biased and getting on my horse that a computer can do anything perfect...i looked around to see what i can do to compensate for the lack of sonic quality

this one engineer CLAIMED when dumping tracks from Radar to PT and back to radar and having songs that weren't dumped to PT he was able to hear a difference...he also claims he BLIND picked PT 10 out of 10 times he either got ESP or it does color the sound...take that for what its worth

 

[Teacher]

ayo Ethan how do u get that illusionary 3d sound in ya audio?! thats pretty much the only thing my recordings are missing they sound too 2d

panning? cuz i don't do that at all...

 

[Paul881]

Teacher, I think we kind of agree with you! Or do you agree with us? Anyway, one way or another, it stacks up what we are all saying.

And that is that good gear (digital, analogue, outboard, inboard) is good gear and bad gear (digital, analogue, outboard, inboard) is bad gear. Just cos its digital and integral to the PC/mac don't make it sound bad and vice versa.

And in answer to yopur last post, yes, panning adds width and reverb/delay/echo adds some depth, along with amplitude.

 

[Ethan Winer]

T,

> a reason i feel strongly about computer shortfall is because people that live and DIE by pro tools recognize its shortfall <

So far all you have done is parrot what others have told you. If you want to believe a total stranger on a subject you obviously know nothing about, that's fine with me. But why do you feel so strongly about it that you're willing to argue publicly?

> this one engineer CLAIMED when dumping tracks from Radar to PT and back to radar and having songs that weren't dumped to PT he was able to hear a difference. <

And psychics claim to be able to see into the future. Yeah, right, so where were they on September 10th?

--Ethan

 

[Ethan Winer]

T,

> how do u get that illusionary 3d sound in ya audio?! thats pretty much the only thing my recordings are missing they sound too 2d <

A reverb plug-in set for "small room" will do that nicely.

--Ethan

 

[Paul881]

Sounds a good plan to me Ethan. Will that be an inboard or an outboard plug in? And digital or analogue? Rofl

 

[Teacher]

Ethan
i don't call it being a parrot because those people are prolly able to write a book on there craft as u are prolly able to do the same so i see it as reading a book and gaining knowledge sure i weed out what i think can be biased but when EVERYONE says it come on and i hear it myself...but whatever

i'm gonna use either TC reverb or Timeworks Reverbx

 

[Jon X]

Teacher.... grab a comma and a period now and then. I can't read half of what you are saying man. I gotta side with everyone else cause I can't understand you.

 

[Rockjaw]

Teacher,


If one billion people make the same mistake, it's still a mistake! Audio engineers are no more or less prone to do silly things than a football player who can't play without his lucky jockstrap. This does not make their opinions fact. Many people suceed at what they do in spite of their own stupidity. A couple of bouts with the ABX double-blind testing system won't change their minds but it often opens the eyes of their worshippers and at least brings the pressure to put up or shut up! Most shut up!

By the way, teacher, who taught you how to live your life so well that you could teach others? [I'm hoping it's not the same person who taught you English, but I'm guessing it is!]

Next time you feel obligated to enlighten the ignorant masses, please flush and wash your hands afterwards!

Inquiring minds want to know!
You, evidently, do not!

 

[crosstudio]

the original thread:
since we are talking about a PC based DAW, the mixer is normally used to allow you to mix the audio and midi together, and to provide you with a mix for the instruments being recorded. most of us don't have outboard pre-amps, so the mixer is used for that too.

now to the sub-thread:
the computer based recording medium for all of its wonder is still a new medium. the advances are swift and the technology is advancing, but the analog world has had decades to get this right.

as far as being able to tell when a digital file has been transferred to/from a new medium, that depends on whether the said medium has a proprietary file format.

if the file is imported into the medium, but the medium does not change the file, then it is absolutely false that the medium has changed the sound of the file; however, once you perform a save of the file in the new medium, then it is possible that whatever dithering algorithms are imployed by the medium will affect the sound.

 

[orcoejoe]

The only way I can tell between a digital and analog recording is the hiss on the analog. ( :