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Robert D
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SouthSIDE Glen said:
mshilarious said:Uhhhh . . . uhhhh . . . no, never mind, I don't want to know
LMAO !!!! That's too funny, good catch MS.
(Glen, you've got to admit, that's funny)Always use a pro!
LMAO !!!! That's too funny, good catch MS.
(Glen, you've got to admit, that's funny)Always use a pro!
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kylen
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IMO all of this really isn't necessary...
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NYMorningstar
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Well doc, I have just two words for you.ckyphil said:
STOP IT!
Go back and read 'How to make friends and influence people' all over again because so far you suck at it. You can't come on here and belittle people and then whine about how bad you have it in your world because they don't bite the cookie you hand them the way you want them to, so just
STOP IT!
Better yet go rent the movies 'Analyze This' and 'Analyze That' and maybe you'll see there that things aren't always as they seem. You've got along way to go if you're going to be working in the people fields.
And what's up with the skapegoating? e.g quote: "Anyway, thanks for giving me an idea of the type of people that post on here" You need to just
STOP IT!
And who you talking to about "I work part-time as a sound engineer and head of tech at my Student Union."? This ain't mommy and daddy listening to you. Working as a sound engineer? Where's the respect? Where'd you get your degree? Oh that's right you don't have one so your just a wannabe...hmmm
STOP IT!
quote: "I also work part time in the hospitality industry to cover university costs. What did you do today?" Isn't this a bit on the arrogant side? Do you think you are the only person that doesn't sit on his ass? Just
STOP IT!
Psyche 101 - Respect is earned. Nobody here wants to dis you but I think you just lost about 90% of your fan base here as far as getting any real help. I'd try copping a new attitude and maybe even change my name
and also while you still can...STOP IT!
If you don't you may end up being a freakin Occupational Psychologist!
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
OK, you got me, that was badly phrased.Robert D said:LMAO !!!! That's too funny, good catch MS.
Always use a pro!
Even I pull a boner every once in a while (ahem...so to speak.) 
And Robert, there's no crime.
At best, it's asking the blind to lead the blind.
At most it's a dumb idea.
At the least, he's selling himself short and depriving himself of the opportunity.
At worst it's disrespectful.
But no, it's not a crime. It's just a bad idea.
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ckyphil
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This is all slightly rediculous and melodramatic. I came to an amateur website to ask for amateur help. By definition, none of you should charge for what you do, or be offended by what I said.
I don't mean to argue, but look at things from my point of view. I'll use the carpentry analogy:
-Hey I'm building a deck, do you know much about that stuff?
- Well, a little bit. I've built a few things before.
-Would you be willing to give me a hand?
-Sure, but not right now, how about next week?
- That's great. Thanks.
That is how I thought my post might go down, but I was prepared no replies, but not this.
I have no problem with people saying no or even nothing at all, there is just no need to say anything. It is pretty immature to come on an internet board and try to rip on someone. You don't know me and I don't know you so what's the point? It's just projection, go and argue with someone that upsets you in the real world, but keep it off the internet.
I don't mean to argue, but look at things from my point of view. I'll use the carpentry analogy:
-Hey I'm building a deck, do you know much about that stuff?
- Well, a little bit. I've built a few things before.
-Would you be willing to give me a hand?
-Sure, but not right now, how about next week?
- That's great. Thanks.
That is how I thought my post might go down, but I was prepared no replies, but not this.
I have no problem with people saying no or even nothing at all, there is just no need to say anything. It is pretty immature to come on an internet board and try to rip on someone. You don't know me and I don't know you so what's the point? It's just projection, go and argue with someone that upsets you in the real world, but keep it off the internet.
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chessrock
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ckyphil said:
Fuck off, dipshit. This is what your dumb ass posted :
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When you talk about how important and serious it is, and then ask for someone "experienced" ... you're not asking for a newbie hack to mangle your stuff for you with his cracked copy of T-racks.
I worked for a living, and didn't ask for any free handouts, you fucktard. Eat shit.
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SouthSIDE Glen
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Where does it say this is an amateur website? Just because it says "home" recording? Sure there are a lot of amateurs on here, no question. But there are also a LOT of people here who make and/or record and/or produce music, sound for video, movie soundtracks, etc. for a living, and do it out of their homes. That's the double-edged sword of affordable high technology, the fact that it's in the home has no bearing on whether it's for hobby, amateur or professional work.ckyphil said:
As has been pointed out, you asked for someone with experience who were able to do a proper mastering job. Those people don't work for free. And the ones who will work for free - almost by definition - will not do the level of work you described and requested.
This happens time and time again on these boards; people come on and want to either know how to do a professional-quality job or want a professional-quality job done for them, and when they get a reply that a pro-quality job requires pro-quality technique and not amateur shortcuts, they go ballistic and say "but this is home recording." To which the only answer is, "then stop asking for a pro recording."
It's all just another version of the "I want something for nothing" Napster/BitTorrent/spoiled brat anarchist syndrome.
A year or two of college psych and you're tossing out psychobabble buzzwords like you're Carl Jung. Most folks who cry "projection" are, in doing so, themselves projecting.ckyphil said:
Look, you want some other newb to master your stuff for you, you guys knock yourselves out; no skin off my neck. Just don't say I didn't try to warn you...
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lobsta
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I don't recall him saying he wanted it to be a professionally done project that he could distribute and profit from. Where's the harm in asking for a bit of assistance?
Everyone who has flamed him and intends to flame again: stop wasting your time. He wasn't even targeting most of you. If you're all the professionals that your arrogant posts scream that you are, why aren't you working and paying attention to more important matters? Is it really worth wasting your time to cut down an aspiring musician with little knowledge of mastering who just wants a little bit of help?
What's displayed in this thread is nothing less than immaturity and stupidity by people who, while possibly knowing a great deal about their craft, can't seem to keep their mouths shut if they have nothing positive to add to a conversation. Let's try to act our age, gentlemen.
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chessrock
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Um ... Lobsta. Most of us complaining aren't mastering engineers.
That's kind of an important detail you failed to mention in your well-crafted argument, there. Why don't you go and help your new buddy out with his mastering project?
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That's kind of an important detail you failed to mention in your well-crafted argument, there. Why don't you go and help your new buddy out with his mastering project?
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lobsta
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That's actually exactly what I said.
I'm not a mastering engineer either. If I was, I would have PM'ed him myself and offerred my services. However, I'm not about to rip on someone that didn't even address me in the first place.
Let's use one of the previous examples in this thread. How about the deck-building one? Consider this scenario.
Person A asks for advice on building a deck in the subject's related forum. Person B is a skilled deck-builder, but can't offer his services because he is going out of town. B wishes A the best of luck, and does not return to the thread. Person C, a gardener, takes your route and flames Person A for asking for advice.
It's the same situation in different light. Leave him alone if you're not going to add anything to the thread.
I'm not a mastering engineer either. If I was, I would have PM'ed him myself and offerred my services. However, I'm not about to rip on someone that didn't even address me in the first place.
Let's use one of the previous examples in this thread. How about the deck-building one? Consider this scenario.
Person A asks for advice on building a deck in the subject's related forum. Person B is a skilled deck-builder, but can't offer his services because he is going out of town. B wishes A the best of luck, and does not return to the thread. Person C, a gardener, takes your route and flames Person A for asking for advice.
It's the same situation in different light. Leave him alone if you're not going to add anything to the thread.
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NYMorningstar
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A rose by any other name...
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chessrock
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Lobsta, there's something you're kinda' failing to understand, here.
If you go to a deck builder forum, and ask if someone could build your deck for free ... don't you think that some of the deck builders might be a little insulted by that?
What I'm saying is that there's an underlying message behind it that even the person asking isn't aware of. Without coming out and saying it, you're kind of implying that deck building isn't a very valuable skill; that your skills aren't really worth anything.
It's really more of a pride thing than it is a courtesy thing. Is there really anything wrong with asking? Probably not. Is there a chance that some peoples' feathers will get ruffled? Yes, so be prepared for the backlash.
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If you go to a deck builder forum, and ask if someone could build your deck for free ... don't you think that some of the deck builders might be a little insulted by that?
What I'm saying is that there's an underlying message behind it that even the person asking isn't aware of. Without coming out and saying it, you're kind of implying that deck building isn't a very valuable skill; that your skills aren't really worth anything.
It's really more of a pride thing than it is a courtesy thing. Is there really anything wrong with asking? Probably not. Is there a chance that some peoples' feathers will get ruffled? Yes, so be prepared for the backlash.
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SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Read the title of this thread. It doesn't read "Who would like to help me master my album?". It reads "Who would like to master my album?"
There is a distinct difference between asking someone for help doing something, which is fine, and asking someone to do it for them.
It's OK to ask a classmate to help me in writing my term paper. My asking my tutor to write my term paper for me is a different story altogether.
Phil stated in his original post very well that he understood the importance and skill level involved in doing a decent job of mastering an album. He then went on and asked somebody to do it for him. Not to give him advice or assistance in doing it, but to do it for him. And he didnn't ask someone of equal skill level to hack through it, but asked somebody experienced in mastering to do the quality of job required by good mastering.
All I said from the begining was that it's gonna fall one way or the other: that just about anyone willing to do it for free is not going to be any more skilled than he is (and possible even less, FTM), and that asking someone who does have the skills to do it for free and to retain the option to throw it away anyway is going to get him nowhere with those he's asking who would otherwise have those qualifications.
What's so damn hard to understand about that?
Phil, I listened to your sample, and it's not a bad job for your first time out. I certainly have heard a lot worse. As MsH. pointed out, it could use a little fine tuning in the mixing stage first. I'm sure there are a lot of experienced folks (including myself) who'd be happy to join with MsH and provide you with some advice on refining the mixing and then performing the mastering. But don't ask use to do it for you because that's insulting to us and extremly unbeneficial to you.
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There is a distinct difference between asking someone for help doing something, which is fine, and asking someone to do it for them.
It's OK to ask a classmate to help me in writing my term paper. My asking my tutor to write my term paper for me is a different story altogether.
Phil stated in his original post very well that he understood the importance and skill level involved in doing a decent job of mastering an album. He then went on and asked somebody to do it for him. Not to give him advice or assistance in doing it, but to do it for him. And he didnn't ask someone of equal skill level to hack through it, but asked somebody experienced in mastering to do the quality of job required by good mastering.
All I said from the begining was that it's gonna fall one way or the other: that just about anyone willing to do it for free is not going to be any more skilled than he is (and possible even less, FTM), and that asking someone who does have the skills to do it for free and to retain the option to throw it away anyway is going to get him nowhere with those he's asking who would otherwise have those qualifications.
What's so damn hard to understand about that?
Phil, I listened to your sample, and it's not a bad job for your first time out. I certainly have heard a lot worse
. As MsH. pointed out, it could use a little fine tuning in the mixing stage first. I'm sure there are a lot of experienced folks (including myself) who'd be happy to join with MsH and provide you with some advice on refining the mixing and then performing the mastering. But don't ask use to do it for you because that's insulting to us and extremly unbeneficial to you.G.
andyhix
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Jiminy Christ. Is there a full moon today? I'm not sure why I'm poking my nose in here, but I think the original request was pretty harmless. There are 1000's of member's here, and I'm sure some of them maybe could use some more experience with certain aspects of their hobby. That's right, for MANY of us, it's just a hobby - something we do because we enjoy it. Some people are good at their hobby, others aren't. Some people here are pros, and are probably VERY good (I hope). Anyway, the OP simply was looking for a decent hobbyist to help him out.
I'd hazard a guess that a lot of people here are into recording simply for one band or maybe two that they are in, and they don't see much if any other music come across thier desk. If you are songwriting, tracking, and mixing a CD every year or two, that's still a lot of time that your equipment's not getting used. So, maybe, just maybe, of all the hundreds or thousands of hobbyists here, one or two of them might get a kick out of working on something different than the same 12 songs they've been dicking with for a year and a half.
To be honest, I would be, myself, but I don't think running your mix through my Portastudio is gonna really give them that punch you're looking for.
As to this option vs. doing it himself, one of the main reasons here that everyone always suggests having a third party do the mastering is to introduce a fresh set of ears. For this reason alone, it might be worth it for the OP, even if the person doing it has the same skill level as him.
I'd hazard a guess that a lot of people here are into recording simply for one band or maybe two that they are in, and they don't see much if any other music come across thier desk. If you are songwriting, tracking, and mixing a CD every year or two, that's still a lot of time that your equipment's not getting used. So, maybe, just maybe, of all the hundreds or thousands of hobbyists here, one or two of them might get a kick out of working on something different than the same 12 songs they've been dicking with for a year and a half.
To be honest, I would be, myself, but I don't think running your mix through my Portastudio is gonna really give them that punch you're looking for.
As to this option vs. doing it himself, one of the main reasons here that everyone always suggests having a third party do the mastering is to introduce a fresh set of ears. For this reason alone, it might be worth it for the OP, even if the person doing it has the same skill level as him.
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Robert D
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Ok, I will say this........ The op did have some wording that lent itself to being taken as slightly arrogant, even though I didn't read it that way. "Who would like to master my album?" might have been better phrased as "Would anyone like to try mastering my album?", which sounds a bit less presumptive. "If I don't like it , I don't have to use it, so what does it matter" isn't the best way to make that point, and "I don't intend to pay anyone for this" doesn't exactly come across as humble.
I stand by my earlier point, there is nothing wrong with looking for someone who's skills ,interests, and desire for experience match up with your needs, though the end result is likely to fall well short of professional. But I can see where this could have been worded better. One thing I do remember from my own experience is that when you're psyching yourself up that your CD is gonna make it, it's easy to cross the line and be overzealous, and not even realize it.
I stand by my earlier point, there is nothing wrong with looking for someone who's skills ,interests, and desire for experience match up with your needs, though the end result is likely to fall well short of professional. But I can see where this could have been worded better. One thing I do remember from my own experience is that when you're psyching yourself up that your CD is gonna make it, it's easy to cross the line and be overzealous, and not even realize it.
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jlonderee
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I would. I pm'ed you.
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
haha this thread is hilarious.. not only that, all the usual suspects are present. sometimes I think this isn't so much a help forum as it is a lynch mob. I got exactly the same kind of reaction to a couple of threads I posted in the past.. dunno why people here need to take everything so fucking seriously. if you don't want to help him, nobody is twisting your arm so why say anything at all? spend less time picking apart peoples intentions and meanings and try to be something I like to call "friendly" for once. geesh.
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RAMI
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I skimmed through the thread. Couldn't be bothered with every detail of every post.
I don't care who's technically right or wrong, because, like most internet arguments, by the time it reaches page 2, people are just repeating themselves, arguing semantics and correcting each others' grammar.
I will say this. Even IF (AND I'M SAYING "IF") Chessrock and Glen are wrong (And I'm only saying "IF")....it is far outweighed by the amount of help they provide people here. I've never heard Glen say a bad thing about anyone and he usually (always) stays clear of pissing matches.
Chessrock is usually (always) right on with his advice, but expresses himself in a way that might offend some people. Personally, I find it no worse than the way we all talk with our buddies.
It's just that when people come on the internet, all of a sudden everyone thinks they're Emily fucking Post and develops these manners that they don't really possess anywhere else. They think it gives them the right to get on a pedestal and tell someone else "no swearing" like a bunch of 6 year olds. It's total hypocrosy.
So, if anyone's accusing these guys (and I'm only using them as examples because I saw they posted quite a bit) of being arrogant, looking down their noses at anyone, or not being helpful, you're barking up the wrong tree. There has to be a reason they are not very repsonsive to the original request.
And by the way, the original poster changed his tone in this thread rather drastically. He seems to have gone from totally arrogant and expecting people to jump at his "offer"...to playing the "victim" card once he realised he should have approached it differently. He should have just apologised in his second post for not phrasing his question properly, and everyone would have chilled.
Just my opinion...you don't like it??? Fuck off.
I don't care who's technically right or wrong, because, like most internet arguments, by the time it reaches page 2, people are just repeating themselves, arguing semantics and correcting each others' grammar.
I will say this. Even IF (AND I'M SAYING "IF") Chessrock and Glen are wrong (And I'm only saying "IF")....it is far outweighed by the amount of help they provide people here. I've never heard Glen say a bad thing about anyone and he usually (always) stays clear of pissing matches.
Chessrock is usually (always) right on with his advice, but expresses himself in a way that might offend some people. Personally, I find it no worse than the way we all talk with our buddies.
It's just that when people come on the internet, all of a sudden everyone thinks they're Emily fucking Post and develops these manners that they don't really possess anywhere else. They think it gives them the right to get on a pedestal and tell someone else "no swearing" like a bunch of 6 year olds. It's total hypocrosy.
So, if anyone's accusing these guys (and I'm only using them as examples because I saw they posted quite a bit) of being arrogant, looking down their noses at anyone, or not being helpful, you're barking up the wrong tree. There has to be a reason they are not very repsonsive to the original request.
And by the way, the original poster changed his tone in this thread rather drastically. He seems to have gone from totally arrogant and expecting people to jump at his "offer"...to playing the "victim" card once he realised he should have approached it differently. He should have just apologised in his second post for not phrasing his question properly, and everyone would have chilled.
Just my opinion...you don't like it??? Fuck off.
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
Except this guy isn't his "buddy". He clearly doesn't know him from a hole in the ground and he's telling him to go fuck himself. Maybe that's how he acts in real life too, but I doubt it since if he did, in all probability he'd get the shit kicked out of him on a daily basis.RAMI said:
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RAMI
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All the more reason to tell him to fuck off.Mistral said: