Which part of your signal chain can you not part with?

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cellardweller said:
myself.

I wouldn't get much done if I weren't there...

Everything I have at this point, IMO needs to be replaced/upgraded at some future point in time... some things further in the future than others...
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LOL! You and me both! I am looking at spending close to $10,000 just on recording equipment. The studio is another matter.... the board I want will cost about that much...
 
I hear, (again) where you are coming from....

But...

(luckily??) for me, I also used to play Classical Guitar for 2...2 and
a half years. I used to get into Segovia, Christopher Parkening, and played
pieces by Fernando Sor, Mertz...Paganini. In fact I had to play this kind
of music. Oh also...at Christmas of course Vivaldi...

I couldn't afford an amp at the time.

After I got another electric, I realized the point of playing music,
to me anyway, isn't in bravado about technique, but in making the
music you want to really hear. What sounds and fulfills you as an artist.

I have very clean technique, btw. It came from running scales and
playing along with Violin and even Piano concertos and figuring
out how the great ones did what they did. This was done in the period
when I still played traditional classical music, but also had a dead
electric guitar, which sounded closer to a violin than a "box" or
amplified Guitar.

If composers like Paganini or even Segovia, at a young age, were alive
today, I think they would be playing electric guitars instead of banging
around on a nylon stringed, (or in their days cat-gut or a mild steel)
box, that has very limited dynamics, and only has one true tone to it.

That's very limiting. Since these guys were geniuses, I'm sure they
would have quickly took advantage of the modern and really limitless
possibilities.

Anyway...

The end thing you have to ask yourself is, am I playing what I want
to play,and expressing what I want to express.

Music is a language, in fact more than just one language...and it's always changing.

That's my view anyway.

punkin said:
dude...I'm "feelin'" it but my personal experiences have been a little different.

Acoustic training will NO DOUBT will improve your playing but my feeling is that "plugged in" gives a kind of sustinuto pedal effect and hides some of the fingering problems. This probobly more-so when playing a lickety split fast passage. With that, I find that my over-driven amp with pedals in front help be schlogg through a song I'm not "as comfortable" with...especially during a solo. Can you feel the "wall of sound" in your face yet? Power chord and mixolydian scales in your brain!

I'm thinkin that this is where technique might fade and style fills in. Practice, practice practice....not the best thing but...it can happen.

Oh...signal chain thingy....I l love my mesa (wish i lived far away from civilization), Ibanez tube screamer, Digitec whammy pedal and of course my big red hose (audio cable)...the other one is blue...oh yea...and my patch panel.
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BMG_SKULK_MUSIC said:
I hear, (again) where you are coming from....

But...

(luckily??) for me, I also used to play Classical Guitar for 2...2 and
a half years. I used to get into Segovia, Christopher Parkening, and played
pieces by Fernando Sor, Mertz...Paganini. In fact I had to play this kind
of music. Oh also...at Christmas of course Vivaldi...

I couldn't afford an amp at the time.

After I got another electric, I realized the point of playing music,
to me anyway, isn't in bravado about technique, but in making the
music you want to really hear. What sounds and fulfills you as an artist.

I have very clean technique, btw. It came from running scales and
playing along with Violin and even Piano concertos and figuring
out how the great ones did what they did. This was done in the period
when I still played traditional classical music, but also had a dead
electric guitar, which sounded closer to a violin than a "box" or
amplified Guitar.

If composers like Paganini or even Segovia, at a young age, were alive
today, I think they would be playing electric guitars instead of banging
around on a nylon stringed, (or in their days cat-gut or a mild steel)
box, that has very limited dynamics, and only has one true tone to it.

That's very limiting. Since these guys were geniuses, I'm sure they
would have quickly took advantage of the modern and really limitless
possibilities.

Anyway...

The end thing you have to ask yourself is, am I playing what I want
to play,and expressing what I want to express.

Music is a language, in fact more than just one language...and it's always changing.

That's my view anyway.
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I would love to hear your classical chops on a good nylon string... got anything lying around that you can post?
 
Rokket said:
If you had to give something up, which of your gear would be the last thing you would ever let go?
I am not talking about instruments, just the equipment you use to get your sound recorded after that?

EDIT: just for some clarification, if you were doing a recording session, which peace of gear would make you cancel if you coudn't use it?
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The one thing I could live without, is the damn cats that come in and sit on my lap if I forget to shut the door.

The thing I couldn't do without, is my wife. She bought all the stuff I'm using now. Hi honey. Be out in just a few minutes.
;)
 
[The end thing you have to ask yourself is, am I playing what I want
to play,and expressing what I want to express.

Music is a language, in fact more than just one language...and it's always changing.



Nicely said...it's about the message...isn't it?

Vai has technique...does it speak to you? If yes...cool if no...it's just technique isn't it?
 
Dogman said:
The one thing I could live without, is the damn cats that come in and sit on my lap if I forget to shut the door.
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I had them mating outside my window the other night. I was recording vocals and didn't notice it until playback. Damn they are loud. A bucket of cold water and a broom fixed that. Then I retracked...


Yeah, my wife is supportive, but that seems to be waining a bit...
 
Dogman said:
The one thing I could live without, is the damn cats that come in and sit on my lap if I forget to shut the door.
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lol... or as I used to say "CV" (cackling violently).
Cats have limited my available recording space by not being able to store certain items in specific areas, because of my reluctance to have them used as scratching posts.
Dogman said:
Hi honey. Be out in just a few minutes.
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I used that several times last night... it didn't yield the anticipated and hoped for response.
 
cellardweller said:
I used that several times last night... it didn't yield the anticipated and hoped for response.
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Last night I got the 1000 yard stare....

I have to fix that, and quick.


I know, dinner and a movie. Just me and her...
 
Rokket said:
I would love to hear your classical chops on a good nylon string... got anything lying around that you can post?
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I don't have a mic or any way to record an acoustic. Hell, I don't even have
an acoustic anymore.

I only started playing guitar again, for the first time in about 5-6 years,
when I learned that this high end PC I have can actually do more than
play the latest games with everything maxxed out.

I've been playing off and on for roughly...13...maybe 14 years, skipping a
year here and there....5 years here and there...few months here...

Just recently started getting some low-end gear together, and am working
on getting some really nice stuff. It will be awhile though, as I want an
Eventide Eclipse MFX-P...a low end Lexicon...all the "God Gear" so I can
make some real music.

I'll get another Classical guitar, but it's not high on the priority list.

These days I like my notes to soar, rather than clunk, faintly ring and
chime.

:cool:
 
BMG_SKULK_MUSIC said:
I don't have a mic or any way to record an acoustic. Hell, I don't even have
an acoustic anymore.

I only started playing guitar again, for the first time in about 5-6 years,
when I learned that this high end PC I have can actually do more than
play the latest games with everything maxxed out.

I've been playing off and on for roughly...13...maybe 14 years, skipping a
year here and there....5 years here and there...few months here...

Just recently started getting some low-end gear together, and am working
on getting some really nice stuff. It will be awhile though, as I want an
Eventide Eclipse MFX-P...a low end Lexicon...all the "God Gear" so I can
make some real music.

I'll get another Classical guitar, but it's not high on the priority list.

These days I like my notes to soar, rather than clunk, faintly ring and
chime.

:cool:
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Tis alright. I have a hefty collection of stuff I burned from my boss's CD collection. I don't even know the names of the artists or the name of the pieces, but I enjoy it immensely. There is one piece where this guy is playing two songs at the same time, Les Paul style, and it just blows my mind how unbelievably fast he is on that nylon acoustic. Puts a lot of shedders to shame, because you can tell that he is not using any effects at all, other than a touch of reverb (probably the room more than an effect). Just so fast and so precise...
 
Rokket said:
Tis alright. I have a hefty collection of stuff I burned from my boss's CD collection. I don't even know the names of the artists or the name of the pieces, but I enjoy it immensely. There is one piece where this guy is playing two songs at the same time, Les Paul style, and it just blows my mind how unbelievably fast he is on that nylon acoustic. Puts a lot of shedders to shame, because you can tell that he is not using any effects at all, other than a touch of reverb (probably the room more than an effect). Just so fast and so precise...
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That can be true. One of the techniques of Classical Guitar, and it took me
awhile to get pretty quick at it, is that it's all finger picking. When you make
a really fast run, you have to "flutter" your index and middle fingers.
Took some time to get used to.

A good player though who uses a pick can be just as quick though.

All depends on the player.

I don't listen to much Classical guitar anymore, as the tone is always
the same. It's much like Shred guitar is to alot of people. To be taken
in small doses. Though personally I can listen to Satriani, Malmsteen,
Vai, MacAlpine, or George Lynch all day long, and never tire of it.

When I listen to Classical these days, it's usually of Romantic Period,
the Neo Classsical and Neo Romantic period. From Paganini, to Beethoven,
to Samuel Barber or Scriabin.

If you like melodic, but somewhat dissonant music,

(meaning lots of diminished, diatonic, exotic modals...runs and phrases,)

I would suggest Scriabin. If you like fire and passion some of Beethoven's
Piano works, like Moonlight Sonata, is a good place to start, or Franz Liszt.

But I'm rambling now....:roll:
 
BMG_SKULK_MUSIC said:
That can be true. One of the techniques of Classical Guitar, and it took me
awhile to get pretty quick at it, is that it's all finger picking. When you make
a really fast run, you have to "flutter" your index and middle fingers.
Took some time to get used to.

A good player though who uses a pick can be just as quick though.

All depends on the player.

I don't listen to much Classical guitar anymore, as the tone is always
the same. It's much like Shred guitar is to alot of people. To be taken
in small doses. Though personally I can listen to Satriani, Malmsteen,
Vai, MacAlpine, or George Lynch all day long, and never tire of it.

When I listen to Classical these days, it's usually of Romantic Period,
the Neo Classsical and Neo Romantic period. From Paganini, to Beethoven,
to Samuel Barber or Scriabin.

If you like melodic, but somewhat dissonant music,

(meaning lots of diminished, diatonic, exotic modals...runs and phrases,)

I would suggest Scriabin. If you like fire and passion some of Beethoven's
Piano works, like Moonlight Sonata, is a good place to start, or Franz Liszt.

But I'm rambling now....:roll:
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I never could get that using all four of your fingers to play thing down. I am more of claw type, forefinger and thumb and that' about it. My hand just won't agree with me long enough to get the technique down. But I have a friend who plays amazing flamenco guitar, yet can't do "Dust in the Wind"...
 
I'm pretty certain that I couldn't record without duct tape. (Where'd I put those d__n lyrics?) :confused:
 
EQ obviously.
I only use compression for level control, but EQ is most important in getting a good sound.
 
ecktronic said:
EQ obviously.
I only use compression for level control, but EQ is most important in getting a good sound.
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That's a great point!
 
If, for example, my PC was permanently broken, that might severely put me off recording. Imagine how crap that would be! :eek: Only a couple of days til my new Windows gets here though ...

Other than that ... you can't have my Shure 545D Unidyne III or my Beyer Soundstar MkII because I picked em up for peanuts and they ROCK!!!!
 
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