where we go redux

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Is it ever not raining in Manchester? Even on your Soundcloud page you're under an umbrella...:)

Ha, true - although that photo was actually taken on The Cobb in Lyme Regis down in sunny Dorset during some freaky biblical storm...

I've just listened to your updated mix on proper speakers Heat. Still sounds great to me Heat - love the lo-fi vocals, which may have been more by inexperience than design if it's an old song. I do feel the vocals could still come up a touch throughout, though it comes down to personal preference and I guess you've probably got them where you're comfortable if you spent hours tweaking. It's pretty much done to me - great work as usual :)
 
your music has a really unique sound to it. i love the vocals and the distorted drums on this one. the part right after the breakdown made me picture a robot made out of power tools, just going about his daily life...

Hey thanks a lot super. I like the robot picture thing. That really kinda fits. If there's ever a video, that is what will be happening during that part of the song!

Thanks man - we got back over the weekend, so sadly the trip is now over. As if to underline this, it has rained pretty much non-stop since touching back down in Manchester. Had a freakin fantastic time though - Yosemite, the Mojave Desert around Joshua Tree and hairpin bends of Big Sur were massive highlights. Death Valley was crazy hot and Vegas was just plain crazy.

Looking forward to having a listen to your two new tunes properly when I'm at home with decent speakers - The Faster Where We Go? :D

Awesome. Glad you two had a good time. Quite an adventure. You've now seen much more of the Southwest than I have, even though I lived there for a while!

- Where We Go Faster?
 
Hey Petemeiser - First time hearing this tune for me. I listened to both versions several times and could only hear the most subtle difference, and even then I wasn't quite sure if I was really hearing them, or just wanted to believe my ears could hear all that stuff. I must have no ear for sonics...
What effect is that on the robodrums between the verses? Is that a slap-back delay or modulation effect? It's pretty cool. I like the tune...I guess I'd agree that maybe the bass doesn't thump quite as much as some of your other stuff, but I'm really just digging for something to say here. The synth solo after the breakdown is really cool. I'd be curious to know how much of this is from the original recording and how much you retracked. I've been retracking older stuff of mine as well, and I've found that once I retrack a few things, suddenly the rest of the song sounds sad and sulky compared with the updated tracks and I end up retracking waaaay more than I intended to.

Ha! That is classic. I spent forever messing with that mix and it probably doesn't even sound too different at all. Figures....:o

The robodrums were a drum machine through a multi-FX guitar pedal. I don't remember precisely, but I know there was tons of distortion, compression, an exaggerated noise gate effect, and maybe a little flanger or phaser. I used to just keep turning things on and off until it sounded mutated enough. The "synth" solo is an electric guitar - now we're tied as far as mistaking guitars for synths!

I know what you're talking about with regard to revisiting older recordings. My intention was just to add acoustic drums and maybe augment the guitars and vocals a bit, but I went overboard and added many additional tracks.

What remains from the original cassette tracks are the distorted drums, the lead vocal, the bass, the toy guitar "solo" and the tea kettle solo. I guess that sounds like quite a lot, but I added like 16 more tracks to those things.


Are you close mic'ing your snare? That might be what you're looking for. Keep the OHs wide and send the snare straight up the middle...

Yes, I have a dynamic mic on the snare and it is centered. The first mix has the OHs panned wide like I always do, but where one OH is placed directly over the snare while tracking, I think it actually should be panned closer to center than the other OH mic, right? That's what I did on the remix and it sounds a little more solid to me, but still odd somehow. Does that make sense?

...The Cobb in Lyme Regis down in sunny Dorset...

The British start talking local geography and it always sounds like the Shire or something :p.

I've just listened to your updated mix on proper speakers Heat. Still sounds great to me Heat - love the lo-fi vocals, which may have been more by inexperience than design if it's an old song. I do feel the vocals could still come up a touch throughout, though it comes down to personal preference and I guess you've probably got them where you're comfortable if you spent hours tweaking. It's pretty much done to me - great work as usual :)

Thanks Rob - I'm glad you checked it out again! Yes, the lo-fi-ness was unintentional. At the time, it probably sounded pretty slick to me. They were recorded with an sm~57 through an analog delay guitar pedal into a tascam tape deck.
 
nice job on the second mix...the only part I really noticed was the distorted drum being removed from parts...funny I kept hearing it as a distorted voice saying "Ill hold you down, Ill hold you down" lol...I think Im gonna drown someone


anyway just wanted to say it sounds brill :)
 
Thanks Keith. That is, uh...disturbing. I'm going to try to see if I can hear that next time I listen!

Man, I swear I did pretty much what everyone suggested in this thread...I removed the robodrums from the middle, I raised the lead vocals and raised them further during the chorus, I boosted the drums during the chorus, I EQ'd most instruments differently - especially the bass and kick which I boosted, I panned the OHs differently, I.....oh, never mind! :facepalm: :D

I suck at remixes. Usually my first one is the best and then I just lose my way. Thanks for listening again though!
 
I listened to the 8.23.12 mix and it sounds damn good to me.

At the first little snare roll you know it's tight. The rhythm section has a real nice tight and bouncy groove to it.

The vox stand out front just right, harmonies are tight and I am a big fan of wide panning so I love the fleeting acoustic guitar that goes to and fro.

Sounds done to me dude.
 
I listened to the 8.23.12 mix and it sounds damn good to me.

At the first little snare roll you know it's tight. The rhythm section has a real nice tight and bouncy groove to it.

The vox stand out front just right, harmonies are tight and I am a big fan of wide panning so I love the fleeting acoustic guitar that goes to and fro.

Sounds done to me dude.

That's great man. Thanks! It probably is done, but I'm still thinking the hi-mids are harsh and the lows are lacking. Maybe a little.

I appreciate you listening and I enjoyed your newest tune.
 
That's great man. Thanks! It probably is done, but I'm still thinking the hi-mids are harsh and the lows are lacking. Maybe a little.

I appreciate you listening and I enjoyed your newest tune.

I dont know how you hear these things...must be my shitty room...sounds perfect to me
 
Yes, I have a dynamic mic on the snare and it is centered. The first mix has the OHs panned wide like I always do, but where one OH is placed directly over the snare while tracking, I think it actually should be panned closer to center than the other OH mic, right?

The majority of OH setups I've seen (GJ + Recorderman) have the LOH directly over the center of the snare. Mine's set up that way too. If you've measured them out correctly you should be getting the same amount of snare in each.... so panning one closer to the center than the other would theoretically make them a little lopsided, but I didn't notice it being off center in either mix. I don't know how far you adjusted it, etc., but you could probably hard pan both overheads to the same side and I wouldn't even notice that. :o
 
I dont know how you hear these things...must be my shitty room...sounds perfect to me

Nah, I have a shitty room too. I think it's just because it's my song, you know? For all the adjustments I made, there probably just wasn't a substantial change.
I think sometimes I have trouble picking up the changes on other people's remixes too, even though to them it might be obvious. Thank you again though for the encouragement and advice.

The majority of OH setups I've seen (GJ + Recorderman) have the LOH directly over the center of the snare. Mine's set up that way too. If you've measured them out correctly you should be getting the same amount of snare in each.... so panning one closer to the center than the other would theoretically make them a little lopsided, but I didn't notice it being off center in either mix. I don't know how far you adjusted it, etc., but you could probably hard pan both overheads to the same side and I wouldn't even notice that. :o

Ha! My next mix will have the kick panned hard left and everything else hard right!

I just thought that, in addition to having the OHs the same distance from the snare (40" in this case), the actual position relative to the kit mattered. It seems to me that if I take a mic that was pointed directly at the snare over it, and I pan that track far off to the right say, then the snare will sound like it too has moved to the right, right?

I dunno, I probably should do some reading on how to mix tracks recorded with GJ techniques.
 
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