What's Your Favorite Keyboard Lately?

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Elizabeth, I think this is the BIG ONE! -Fred Sanford

Daddy P,
This one's going to be long. But there's not way to tell the "whole" story without all of the details, so read at your leisure. -E

If you already have a K2500 "keyboard" and you want to add different sounds that are different from what you currently have, you can go two ways WITHout having to buy a new "keyboard". The important word is "keyboard", because it's cheaper to buy sample CDs or modules than it is to buy the "keyboard" version of an instrument. That is, a sample CD may cost you $100, a good module may cost you $400 (Roland JV1010) to $1600 (Triton/XV5080). The "keyboard" version of the Triton costs $2100+, depending on the options that you get with it. So, the salesman is right. You don't necessarily NEED another "KEYboard", you may just need new samples for the K2500 OR a new module. So this one is your call, because it depends on how much money you have and are willing to spend.

SAMPLE PLAYBACK Option: Advantages and Disadvantages
The main Advantage to getting sample CDs is that if you find the right one(s) that you need, it would cost you much LEss than getting a new high quality module or keyboard. Plus, sample CDs usually have higher quality individual sounds than you can usually find in a keyboard or module. The main DISadvantage is that samples take time to load into your machine. (a few minutes, usually) Sometimes after all of that load time, you realize that the sound was Not what you were looking for (aarrrg!!). So the waiting game could be frustrating and take away from valuable music time. Don't forget, however, that Kurzweil has a PRAM option that can save your samples internally after you turn your machine off, so you may not have to reload something that you want to use (mo' $$$). Secondly, in order to go the sample playback route on the K2500, you're going to need to expand you RAM to a minimum of 16MB to be able to load the average sample bank (of multiple sounds). Plus, you'll need to buy a SCSI CD-ROM for your K2500 in order to load the sounds (most samples come on CDs). So you have some upfront costs (SCSI CD-ROM and more RAM, assuming that you did not expand your RAM from the standard 4 MB sample RAM included).

SOUND MODULE Option: Advantages and Disadvantages
The Main Advantage to going the sound module route is that you have instant access to the sounds right from the go. Thus, you save the loading time that you would have spent in going the sample playback route. If you find the "right" module(s), you can get "quality" sounds that can compete with the average "sample CD" sound. The main disadvantage to the module route is the lack of expandability. With many modules you can't expand them and add new sounds. Also, some modules don't give you the best in high quality sounds, compared to sample CDs (and in the mind of a serious musician, it's all about the "sound", as in high quality).

Some Words about the KORG TRITON/XV5080
The Triton is MORE than your average sound module. Korg put out the Triton to bridge all of the gaps associated with the "sound module/sample playback" dilemma. The Triton has some of the best high quality sounds (superior as a sound module) AND the Triton can also play SAMPLES (Akai format samples, I think). So with a SCSI CD-ROM you could play samples through your Triton if you wanted to go that route. Also the Triton has some other expansion boards that add entirely new soundsets to the machine without going the sample playback route. Korg isn't the only company that has such a product. The Roland XV5080 is very much like the Triton. The XV5080 has Roland's best sounds built in (superior sound module) AND it plays SAMPLES. Plus you can expand it with Roland's XV expansion boards or SR-JV80 expansion cards.

If you're interested in a lower cost option to the Triton or the XV5080, check out the Emu Mo' Phatt. I have the Mo' Phatt and the lower price does NOT mean lower quality. It's full of Great drums, phatt basses and other "real" hip hop and R&B-type sounds. Plus, it can be expanded with Emu's line of expansion cards. It runs about $700. If interested, check out http://www.bpmmusic.com They've got the best price that I've seen. And NO, I don't work for them.

So you do have options, now you just gotta pick one.

Rev E
 
Buying good sample Cd's can cost you up to $300 a piece in Kurz format.

An audio cd that costs $100 will cost you in time and energy. It's a lot of work to set them up so the Kurz can work well with them -editing-looping etc..... Do you know how much work you have to put into a Audio Cd for multisamples op Brass ?!?!?. See you next decade.
A good brass kurz format will cost you at least $300.

A sample CD is usualy only one style and tends to focus on an instrument like drum loops or only funk or hip-hop.

My opinion (I own a k2500) is if your looking for quality samples of instruments, and need authentity, or you dont know 9or want to) program loops yourself, go with the Cd's (I also think you need at least 32 Meg of sample RAM).

Other wise go with a module.
 
Thanks again guys for your help!! I will try and digest all of this info. It is nice to finally find someone who actually either owns or works with the 2500. Makes it alot easier. If you guys ever have any more advice. Bring it on!!! Thanks!!!
 
Hello,again Rev. I noticed that you are also from OHIO. I was wondering if u do any studio work outside of what you do at church? I am very interested in your expertise in many of the areas of the music industry. If u do any work outside of church, let me know what it is that u do. Thanks

DADDY P
 
Daddy P,

I just sent you a personal email. Check your box and get back to me.

-E
 
DADDYP,

I noticed that you also have a computer with a gina sound card.

I suggest, as you look into your options, that you also look into gigastudio softsampler.

I costs maybe $300, and can read ALL sample formats. You get up to 160 midi channesls, depending on the version you buy, and you can load up to 4gigabyte samples.

About the sampled gigabyte piano, 88 multisample notes, no looping, will blow you away and you will actually think that you're playing the real thing.

Every review I have read has only said good things about it.
aNd remember, you can use akai samples, kurzweill samples All samples.

Also, most sample CDs now come in gigastudio/gigasampler format, and since you have a good soundcard, you can take full advantage of it.

just another option to look into.
 
I have been using an Ensoniq Fizmo for a few months and
can't beleive the crazy sounds it can make. It is very limited as far as traditional sounds but really is an
original. I'm not sure they still make them anymore but you can
find them used.
Rock On!
 
Daddy P and Cyan Jaguar:

Gigasampler/Gigastudio are great products. The sound will truly blow you away. I have Gigasampler 64! One minor correction... Giga does not read all other sample formats. It comes with a translator program to read Akai samples. In order to read and convert other sample formats, you need another program like Chicken Translator. Nemesys sells it on their site for about $79. BTW, you don't necessarily need to fork out $300 for Gigastudio 96. Gigasampler LE sells for about $80, Gigasampler 64 sells for about $200, Gigastudio 96 for about $300 and Gigastudio 160 for about $400. It's really not necessary to get the highest version. In fact if you get Gigasampler LE at http://www.soundchaser.com, it's actually CHEAPER to upgrade from that to Gigasampler 64/Gigastudio 96/160 (from the Nemesys website http://www.nemesystech.com ) than it is to buy them Gigasampler/Gigastudio outright! How's that for craziness?

Be warned about Gigasampler, because Giga has some compatability problems with most of the major digital audio sequencers, something about both programs wanting to hog the audio card all to themselves. So don't go down that road if you don't want a few headaches. Although I must say that there is a fix that a user programmed. It's actually better to run Gigasampler/Gigastudio on it's own computer.
 
I've got an XP-30. I wanted a board with lots of sounds - and the ability to add more if needed. I didn't need sampling or sequencing (already have an Akai and Cakewalk) For the price I didn't find anything I liked better.
 
Trinity...

I'd have to say my favorite keyboard is the Korg Trinity. I can't get away from it... I think I might need therapy if I tear myself away from it for a few minutes.
 
Man, reading about the Korg EX-8000 took me back aways - I used a DW-8000 (bought it new in like '85 or '86) FOREVER - Now I'm really into an Ensoniq SQ80 (another classic) Great analog sounds, and really flexible as far as programming. I'm having a blast using it as a controller for some of my soft synths and SF2 patches... (I'm a MIDI Idiot so it's a learning experience.)
 
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