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NickHall
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Seanmorse79 said:
Read my other post ^^ 192kbps is not CD quality, and people will pick out issues with it.......
Variable Bit Rate is the best way of encoding......
Read my other post ^^ 192kbps is not CD quality, and people will pick out issues with it.......
Variable Bit Rate is the best way of encoding......
Seanmorse79
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...didn't say it was CD quality, only that it was "groovy".
..back to "The classic trade-off between space and quality". For general purpose (yet not so large that nobody'll download it), I still like 192. Size difference between 192 & 256 is significant - enough so that I can "live" with 192.
Another note ...I'd recommend against any MP3 encoding whatsover for "archival" - CDR's are about a quarter a piece. There's no way in bloody hell, I'm gonna risk any data loss by encoding something I might need later (to save what, maybe 50 cents?)
..back to "The classic trade-off between space and quality". For general purpose (yet not so large that nobody'll download it), I still like 192. Size difference between 192 & 256 is significant - enough so that I can "live" with 192.
Another note ...I'd recommend against any MP3 encoding whatsover for "archival" - CDR's are about a quarter a piece. There's no way in bloody hell, I'm gonna risk any data loss by encoding something I might need later (to save what, maybe 50 cents?)
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NickHall
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Woaahaa......wasnt a criticism, more an observation....and I did 'quote' all of the above from the site I mentioned...
I think the point was that.. it is possible to archive music to mp3....with virtually no loss in quality.......it wasnt suggesting you do this for your prized music...
I personally am in the process of copying all my cd's to mp3.....as I also have an in car mp3 cd player...with a 6 disc autochanger...this means count em.....i can have around 36 albums in the car at one time without having the need to get out and swap the cartridge......
The bonus is, you can upload your music to the web at CD quality in a small enough size.....the VBR process generally ends up with a smaller mp3 than one recorded at 192kbps, with a better quality...noticeably as good, if not better than 256 (as at the demanding points of the track, it encodes at anything up to 320kbps)
But feel free to ignore my advice and encode at 192.....
I think the point was that.. it is possible to archive music to mp3....with virtually no loss in quality.......it wasnt suggesting you do this for your prized music...
I personally am in the process of copying all my cd's to mp3.....as I also have an in car mp3 cd player...with a 6 disc autochanger...this means count em.....i can have around 36 albums in the car at one time without having the need to get out and swap the cartridge......
The bonus is, you can upload your music to the web at CD quality in a small enough size.....the VBR process generally ends up with a smaller mp3 than one recorded at 192kbps, with a better quality...noticeably as good, if not better than 256 (as at the demanding points of the track, it encodes at anything up to 320kbps)
But feel free to ignore my advice and encode at 192.....
Seanmorse79
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All right (sheesh). Sorry about sounding snippy - it's been a bad week and I've been a bit defensive lately.
So, the last time I looked at VBR a while ago, I was under the impression that it wasn't fully compatible with everything (early Rio players, MAC players, and I thought MP3 CD players).
I'm assuming my info was mistaken if you've been using your MP3 CD player with them though, so point taken, and I'll definitely give it a shot.
Given that info though, (honest question) why wouldn't everybody be doing it that way? I think I've seen maybe 2 or 3 VBR compressed MP3's out of a zillion.
So, the last time I looked at VBR a while ago, I was under the impression that it wasn't fully compatible with everything (early Rio players, MAC players, and I thought MP3 CD players).
I'm assuming my info was mistaken if you've been using your MP3 CD player with them though, so point taken, and I'll definitely give it a shot.
Given that info though, (honest question) why wouldn't everybody be doing it that way? I think I've seen maybe 2 or 3 VBR compressed MP3's out of a zillion.
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NickHall
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No probs...
I honestly think its not widely known about.....people just tend to use the software they are given.
At the end of the day, there arent that many people who are really trying to get the best quality out of music (other than muso's) and the huge number of people sharing files on programs like kazaa are just interested in ripping stuff off.....not in getting decent quality...
I personally refuse to download music from p2p's as the quality is always bad....unless its a bootleg version of a live song that I cant get through any other source.
LAME is a program developed as a project by a guy who hasnt officially made any money out of it. He just wanted to prove it could be done. Most of the new software encoders are realizing the quality of LAME and incoporating it into their programs, however you really need to know the correct 'options' to get the best size vs quality.
www.r3mix.net is a huge and immensly valuable site I found by accident one day whilst looking for a better encoder...
Some of the info there is unbelievable......
as LAME is only a command line program (tiny file) you need a front end for it, of which there are many: Razor Lame, Messer, WinLame EAC (exact audio copy). All of these need the LAME encoder aswell, but once you have these, the quality you can achieve is unsurpassable.
Btw, I also play VBR MP3 Cd's on my dvd player.....so Its fairly universal....
Nick
I honestly think its not widely known about.....people just tend to use the software they are given.
At the end of the day, there arent that many people who are really trying to get the best quality out of music (other than muso's) and the huge number of people sharing files on programs like kazaa are just interested in ripping stuff off.....not in getting decent quality...
I personally refuse to download music from p2p's as the quality is always bad....unless its a bootleg version of a live song that I cant get through any other source.
LAME is a program developed as a project by a guy who hasnt officially made any money out of it. He just wanted to prove it could be done. Most of the new software encoders are realizing the quality of LAME and incoporating it into their programs, however you really need to know the correct 'options' to get the best size vs quality.
www.r3mix.net is a huge and immensly valuable site I found by accident one day whilst looking for a better encoder...
Some of the info there is unbelievable......
as LAME is only a command line program (tiny file) you need a front end for it, of which there are many: Razor Lame, Messer, WinLame EAC (exact audio copy). All of these need the LAME encoder aswell, but once you have these, the quality you can achieve is unsurpassable.
Btw, I also play VBR MP3 Cd's on my dvd player.....so Its fairly universal....
Nick
Seanmorse79
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Thanks for the info. I will give LAME a try.
Just after I posted that last message, I strolled over to the MP3 mixing clinic, and reviewed your 3 songs (not realizing it was the same person, and noting that they were in VBR), and I'd have to say that's some of the best sounding audio I've heard in an MP3 (and they're all under 5 megs).
As well, you did a hell of a recording job (IMO) - vocals are crisp and sit nice in the mix, and an excellent job programming the drum machine.
Hat's off to you. You may be a newbie, but it looks like you've been at this a while
Just after I posted that last message, I strolled over to the MP3 mixing clinic, and reviewed your 3 songs (not realizing it was the same person, and noting that they were in VBR), and I'd have to say that's some of the best sounding audio I've heard in an MP3 (and they're all under 5 megs).
As well, you did a hell of a recording job (IMO) - vocals are crisp and sit nice in the mix, and an excellent job programming the drum machine.
Hat's off to you. You may be a newbie, but it looks like you've been at this a while
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NickHall
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Thanks Bud....
If you need any help with LAME gimme a shout. I'd recommend you use different front ends for different things...The easiest is 'RazorLAME' for converting WAVS to MP3's (just click and drop)... but the important thing is to make sure you follow the 'quality' instructions from the r3mix.net site..........you need to add all the settings they have identified, then play around to get to the size you want.
Thanks for the +ve comments.....I've been 'at it' for a looong time......but was in need of a sounding board for the latest mixes.....
Go look at my site if ya feelin special..... www.nick-hall.com
Peace
If you need any help with LAME gimme a shout. I'd recommend you use different front ends for different things...The easiest is 'RazorLAME' for converting WAVS to MP3's (just click and drop)... but the important thing is to make sure you follow the 'quality' instructions from the r3mix.net site..........you need to add all the settings they have identified, then play around to get to the size you want.
Thanks for the +ve comments.....I've been 'at it' for a looong time......but was in need of a sounding board for the latest mixes.....
Go look at my site if ya feelin special..... www.nick-hall.com
Peace