what's the best way to die

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hi,

Ok! now that I've got your attention.... I have a big problem. I want to create a deadroom/flat room for vocals and I don't want to spend more than $400.

The room is approx 12' by 12' by 10' and it has plywood walls and echoes badly.

two questions:
1: for vocals, using only $400, would it be better to treat the whole room, or to create some kind of booth in the room.

2: What should shoud I get? Is there any kind of package?

THanks a lot for your help
 
Hey CyanJaguar,Try posting this same question in the "Studio Building Forum". Either John Sayer or Brian Grey
will provide you with excellent advice.
 
Wow, I have to admit you got my attention with that! :)

12' by 12' by 10' is a pretty big vocal room. For $400 it's going to be hard to completely rid the room of the echo problem, but you can probably get rid of a great deal of it.

I'd suggest looking around at different studio foams. The price really does reflect the quality, but for what you're doing you may not mind if it's not 100% top notch. I'd suggest putting bass traps in the 90 degree corners, and close to the corners, and then diffusion in the middle of the walls that are parallel, if there are any. You may just have to play around using your ears. Have one person clap and have another moving the foam or diffusers around the room until you hear a difference.

I gotta go.
-Brian
 
Thanks brian for the info,

SO it will be better to just do the room and not try to create a vocal booth.

About how many bass traps should I get. I think I can get them for about $25 apiece on marsmusic.com

Also, do you recommend any particular brand, and how many diffusors would be good.

After all this, will I still have to get those zigzag foam thingys or will the bass traps/diffusors suffice?

Thanks for your input
 
""SO it will be better to just do the room and not try to create a vocal booth.""

Well, that depends on how much work you want to do. If you want to have a nice sound proof booth for recording vocals then yeah, build a booth. If you built a booth you could make it a little smaller, which would save you money on absorbing foam and diffusors. If this space is all you have to record in and there are no other rooms then I'd suggest fixing up the whole room.

""About how many bass traps should I get. I think I can get them for about $25 apiece on marsmusic.com""

How many to get? It depends on how many corners you have. Where the ceiling meets the walls, you want them there. Where walls meet walls at 90 degree angles, you want them there. Bass trapping is something you always want to keep in place. The foam on the other parts of the walls and the diffusors should be installed so that you can move them around if you want to change the sound of you room. The reason bass trapping takes out the bassy room mode, and then you're going to translate the sound more true to tape/hard disk. You just want the room not to show up on the final recording... at least not in a bad way, reverb can be a good thing, but not boomy bass.

""Also, do you recommend any particular brand, and how many diffusors would be good.""

Some people might not agree with me, and I guess it's a matter of personal preference, but I do prefer Auralex. The only thing is, you're looking to only spend $400, and it just might not fit your budget. I havn't checked any other brands lately for prices though, maybe they're cheaper than everyone now.
How many diffusors would be good? Where ever you have parallel walls you want a couple across the walls from each other, but not mirrored. If you have one 3 feet from the corner, the one on the opposite wall can be 4 feet from the corner. Just so they're staggered. How many is up to your ears.

""After all this, will I still have to get those zigzag foam thingys or will the bass traps/diffusors suffice?""

Yeah, you will get the Wedgie-type foam. The bass traps just remove the bass modes of the room, and the diffusors cut down on slap echo. Once the slap echo is down you still want to put up some foam to absorb the reverb.

Just listen with your ears. Bass trapping may be all you want, at least you'll remove the bass mode. It's up to you. :)

Later,
-Brian
 
hey brian,

thanks a bunch for the detailed information. It has been very helpful.
 
YO Yo YO:

Best way to die:

BE DISINTIGRATED BY CAROLINE RHEA.

Rhea= ray phonetically. [hee hee hee]

Green Hornet
 
Egg cartons are supposed to do the same thing for a lot less moolah. :)
I have yet to try it myself.

Isaiah
 
CyanJaguar - one of the best absorption systems is the coustic hanger which are very easy abd cheap to make. All you do is buy a few sheets of Fibreboard. Now that's the board they use on Notice Boards where you use drawing pins etc. It usually comes with one surface painted white. You then cut the sheets up into different sizes like 3'x 1' and wrap insulation around them. You then hang them from the ceiling all over. Now that will tighten up your room for very little cost.

You can find out more at my site
http://www.lis.net.au/~johnsay/Acoustics

or you can see us doing it at

http://greysfiles.com/Studio/Index.htm

in the next update due early next week

cheers :)
John
 
Thanks John,

That would be a great inexpensive way of tightening things up, and it is something I can do.

On another thread, john, you described a way of absorbing some low frequencies by filling up boxes with crumpled up newspaper, can you go a little bit more into that,

for example, how will enough boxes with enough newspapers absorb those unwanted bass frequencies?

thanks
 
I think too many people underestimate what they can do with their money, and I also think too many people think that actual things like, studio foam, and diffusors, are too expensive for them. I think you could end up spending more money trying to make something cheap work than if you just used the right materials first.

But of course I could be terriblly wrong :) Maybe I just like doing it the way I do it.
 
By the Way...
The best way to die is to be shot by a jealous husband.
 
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