pohaku
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I'll agree as to overheads, but it actually does work quite well with acoustic instruments.
I'll agree as to overheads, but it actually does work quite well with acoustic instruments.
darrin_h2000
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Which ones...and brass and woodwinds dont count as acoustic intruments...just the ones that are made louder from a resonating body...I wouldnt use mine on something quiet...the noise floor is to high.
Im not saying that it isnt a great mic to own...but as an only mic...not so much...you can use one on all vocals in a rock or pop session and get a couple of overheads and call it done because that is all you would need if that is all you did.
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Paj
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Shadow_7
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I guess I should sell my BX9T3ZR4 clarinet amplifier then... The clarinety areadly went up in smoke, I left it plugged in during the last big storm.
darrin_h2000
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An acoustic instrument is dependant on resonating through an acoustic chamber to amplify itself...like most string instruments and some percussion...brass and woodwinds are made louder by the velocity of the air passing through it...it isnt the same thing.
I do some recording for the members of the KC Philharmonic so Ive got some experience with various instruments.
I do kinda find it a little funny that you equate the meaning of acoustic as something without a pickup.
Anyhow you have to turn up the gain on an SM7 most of the time to pick up a guitar or violin...and that makes for noisy tracks.
I do some recording for the members of the KC Philharmonic so Ive got some experience with various instruments.
I do kinda find it a little funny that you equate the meaning of acoustic as something without a pickup.
Anyhow you have to turn up the gain on an SM7 most of the time to pick up a guitar or violin...and that makes for noisy tracks.
Shadow_7
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But it is the same thing. Those woodwinds and brasswinds are HOLLOW for a reason. While air passing through it, is part of the equation, it's not the entire equation. By your description a vocalist is not acoustic.
I pretty much define accoustic as anything doesn't require a plug / speaker / CPU to do what it does. If you can you play it in a blackout without batteries. It's accoustic. At last check my trombone was hollow, and not made of solid brass or wood. Perhaps made from, but not made of. Those cavities and tapers have a severe impact on the resultant sound. Or should I be buying my trombones from WalMarts garden center?
darrin_h2000
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And you would be right about vocalists not being an acoustic instrument...but not so much of the rest of your post...
The box that the string vibrating echos through is the acoustic chamber...this enables the guitar to be louder than a soild body electric that isnt hooked up...its what makes the drum head louder when it is on the drum than when it isnt...and before you say what about a harp...well there is a chamber in the harp too.
A wind instrument has dynamics based on the velocity of the air...there isnt an acoustic chamber attached to it to make it louder.
Shadow_7
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Your logic is flawed.
Ever try to sing with your mouth closed? Oral + Nassal + Lung cavities all contribute to the sound. Take away any one and you might not get any sound.
So what's your stand on the triangle? Marimba? Nothing's hollow there.
pan flute, beer bottle, timpani? Those have chambers.
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Anyway to venture on topic. Anyone know how the sE Titan fairs compared to some of these others. That one has always kind of irked my attention. Or at least the sales pitch on it seems good.
Ever try to sing with your mouth closed? Oral + Nassal + Lung cavities all contribute to the sound. Take away any one and you might not get any sound.
So what's your stand on the triangle? Marimba? Nothing's hollow there.
pan flute, beer bottle, timpani? Those have chambers.
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Anyway to venture on topic. Anyone know how the sE Titan fairs compared to some of these others. That one has always kind of irked my attention. Or at least the sales pitch on it seems good.
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Big Kenny
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I'm with the Shadow on this one, and by the way, there is no "one good mic"
darrin_h2000
Banned
A voice is different since the source is in the throut with your vocal chords opening and closing a passage in your windpipe and the louder you get the more air you use so if you had to call it an instrument it would be a horn...now put an old time megaphone in front of it and it really exagerates this theory.
Triangle is like a cymbol not an acoustic instrument...the Marimba uses cylindrical chambers to make the tone louder so yes it is an acoustic instrument.
The Key word is acoustic...like the room...they have a little room attached to them to multiply the echos...why is that so hard to understand?...anyhow that design isnt as efficiant as a horn in producing the dB to push a dynamic without turning up the gain extra high.
As good as it could be the whole Chinese thing will insure that once it is off the shelf that it will lose 2/3 of its value...besides the jury is still out on them in my book...Ive only seen one used, the sE2200 and that was by Amy Winehouse...and they were going for something Lo-Fi anyway.
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davidguevara80
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I used to have a Neumann TLM103 $999 Plus Tax New and now i am more than happy with my actual Collection, i can cover too much areas and i spent $1180 Buying Used.
-AT4050
-Blue Baby Bottle
-Rode NTK
-Shure Sm7b (I bought this new)
-A Pair of MXL 603s
-AT4050
-Blue Baby Bottle
-Rode NTK
-Shure Sm7b (I bought this new)
-A Pair of MXL 603s
gecko zzed
Grumpy Mod
I think at the heart of this is Darrin's slightly unusual definition of 'acoustic'.
The most commonly held view of what an acoustic instrument is that of an instrument that is struck, plucked or blown, and the consequences of that action, combined with the acoustic properties of the instrument (whether it is a resonant chamber or a vibrating colum of air or whatever), produce the sound, as opposed to a sound that is created, or reinforced electronically.
Shadow_7
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Heh. Reminds me a little of the Army Band days. Some reporter asked one of our buglers about the history of the bugle. And he just started making stuff up, as the reporter tried to write it all down as quickly as possible. It all started back in 1812 by Alfred J. Bugle....... I guess you just had to know the guy. He could rattle on for hours about stuff that never happened.
I take more of a non-electronic approach to acoustic. If we're used to hearing it UNamped, then it's acoustic.
Is the chamber of a tamborine really that substantial? How about a grand piano with the top open? Where's the "chamber" there? Bells? As in mini-vibe without the tubes. Are church bells just another cymbal? Would a french horn be acoustic since you play it with your hand in the bell which creates a chamber? How about a trombone with a mute in the bell?
Hmmm. It does looks like sE has Asian roots. But in the we actually care about the quality of our product sense. And not just another cheap copy of a cheap copy of a product. Titan compared to u47fet. Not that I know what either of those perform like.
darrin_h2000
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Now that I have you thinking...try not to blow any fuses...lol.
IDK...Id love to hear a side by side...the whole point of my AT4047 is that it is the audio-technica copy of the u47...and Id trust AT40 series miles ahead of an off brand chinese mic without actually hearing it.
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dodgeaspen
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No opinion. My most expensive mic I bought used for 100.00 AKG Perception 200
