what type of cassette deck to mix down to

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i've tried countless times to mix down my 4 track recordings on my rca home stereo system and it just sounds completely shitty each time, it sounds warbly like the tape is stretched , even though i'm using brand new type 2 tapes,. do you think it may be that the recorder isnt compatable with type 2 tapes and requires type 1, doesnt seem likely but weirder things happen, .. or is my tape deck just crappy and if so what type of tape deck can i use to get a good mixdown, , i'm currently mixing down my first copy to vhs tape, which i love because it doesnt hurt the sound quality at all, but i want to be able to have cassette copies handy so i can share them, guess i should save and invest in a stand alone cd burner, i love the one in my schools studio.
 
Just go down to best buy or circuit city or one of these places and buy a new cassette deck. They have to be dirt cheap now. Almost anything from a brand that you have heard of will be fine, they stopped trying to make them better years ago. I think your deck is just worn out.
 
When's the last time you cleaned and demagnitzed the cassette deck?
 
its only a 2 month old rca stereo system, , i cleaned the heads and demag'd right before recording, it is a lower line system, which may be the problem, i think i only payed like 70 bucks for it.. umm, one thing thats sortof off topic that i just thought about is involving demagnetizing, i've noticed that the demagnetizing tapes only have the device to demag the center head, does the other head off to the left side ever need to be demag'd?
 
The other head is the erase head, don't worry about it. Is this a boom box or a component system? Boom boxes have built in recording level adjusters (a compressor) that really kills the sound of anything you throw at it.

Why don't you mix down to you computer and make cd copies?
 
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How are plugging the output of your 4-track into the stereo? Is it a "mic" input? It should be a stereo line input (either 1/8" TRS or two RCA jacks)

Do you have a PC with a CD burner? If so, we can help you mixdown to your PC and burn CDs which will sound SOOOOO much better than any cassette mixdown (my last cassette mixdown was back in 1999!)

Otherwise, standalone CD burners aren't that much, I recommend that route. Plus, chicks dig guys with their own CD much more than guys with just a cassette demo :D
 
Why use a standalone CD burner when you can get a CD burner for your PC for so much cheaper, plus you won't have to buy those stupid "Audio" CD R's that are like 3 times more expensive than the regular CD R's. You can go from your monitor or stereo outputs out of your 4 track to your line in input on your computer. If you are running windows you can use SOUND RECORDER. Or you can download Audacity for free. All you have to do is play the song on the 4 track and press record on Audacity. Then when you are done go to FILE, EXPORT TO WAV, and save to your hard drive. Then you open up your CD burner software and pick audio CD, drag your new song onto the program window and press record. BAMN you have an audio CD. Heck you can go a step farther and do a 2 minute master by DLing the free trial of GOldwave and maximizing the volume and running it through a parametric EQ. Its SO easy to do I can't understand why anybody would want a stand alone CD burner. If anybody has any questions on how to do any of this just email me and I will help. dsmall3@cox.net
 
the only problem im having with mixing down to my computer is that i dont have rca inputs on the computer, and when i use an adapter to make my rca wires go into the input on my sound card it still isnt in stereo for some reason, . i'm guessing my line in isnt stereo compatible., actually , now that i think about it there are two different 1/8th inch input jacks, and i dont think i've tried both, i'll try the other one and just see,. i have acid pro installed on my comp to use for editing,.
 
yes, there are two different inputs on your computer. one is a microphone input, the other is a stereo line in. thats the one you will need to use. you also need to change your recording preferences to use the line in. go to your volume controls, the go to options-->properties, then click the littel circle that says recording. click ok, then click select under line in, and adjust your level while playing back from the 4 track to get the right gain settings. hope this helps you out.

the kid
 
cool , thanks, i'll try it in a little bit and let you all know of the results, i hope for my stuff to sound 100X better in stereo, as i tend to do a whole lot of panning on certain stuff.
 
Cassette tapes always sound like crap. If you are going to use analog gear you need to hook up with something on a reel to reel format.
 
a27thletter said:
cool , thanks, i'll try it in a little bit and let you all know of the results, i hope for my stuff to sound 100X better in stereo, as i tend to do a whole lot of panning on certain stuff.


So how did it go?
 
a whole lot better, heres the link to my songs >http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?songs=271724&T=9312 < , the acoustic version of "when you say nothing at all" on that page was mixed down to acid pro using the stereo line in, coming from my four track, .. i know some of the guitar tracks were a little out of tune, but, i'm just happy that i figured out how to mix down in stereo now.
 
Cool! I could hear vocals way down there somewhere but you can't really hear them. Guitar sounds clean though.
 
yeah, i figured the vocals were too low in the mix after i finished mixing it down, but i have the master copy, i'll have to do another mix of it later., i liked the guitar sound on it more than anything, i guess thats why i ended up mixing them louder than the vocals.
 
I mixdown onto tape, but I'd like to try this also. What is the name of the kind of cable i need to go from the 4 trk to the comp, and using Sound Recorder? And can someone give me the step by step procedures? I dont wanna damage my sound card or anything. Thanks in advance.

It's funny, I have a Lexicon Omega interface, but I still enjoy the 4 trk thoroughly. I hope they dont stop making them.
 
Freak Scene said:
I mixdown onto tape, but I'd like to try this also. What is the name of the kind of cable i need to go from the 4 trk to the comp, and using Sound Recorder? And can someone give me the step by step procedures? I dont wanna damage my sound card or anything. Thanks in advance.

It's funny, I have a Lexicon Omega interface, but I still enjoy the 4 trk thoroughly. I hope they dont stop making them.

I wrote down some step by step instructions at home. I'll post them here later. You will have to download a program called audacity, but its freeware with no spyware so its a good program to have anyway. It really is extremely simple to do once you get the hang of it.

Oh and its a stereo rca to single stereo 1/8th inch jack that you need. Just go to radioshack and buy a set of standard RCA cables, then buy a stereo RCA to Stereo 1/8th inch adapter and you'll be all set.
 
a soundcard and CD burner would be cheaper than the casette deck, and you'll have LOTS more options!
 
undrgrnd studio said:
I wrote down some step by step instructions at home. I'll post them here later. You will have to download a program called audacity, but its freeware with no spyware so its a good program to have anyway. It really is extremely simple to do once you get the hang of it.

Oh and its a stereo rca to single stereo 1/8th inch jack that you need. Just go to radioshack and buy a set of standard RCA cables, then buy a stereo RCA to Stereo 1/8th inch adapter and you'll be all set.

Thanks, let me know, I appreciate it!
 
I wrote this for someone else but they are pretty generic. They should work for you, yuou might have a different CD burning program but even those instructions should be close enough.

This should get you started.

Getting recorded material off of a recording unit and onto your PC will take a few steps. Nothing all that difficult though.

Step 1.
First mix down your song as best you can. Meaning, EQ and pan your tracks until you are satisfied with the song's overall balance.

Step 2.
You will need to buy a RCA stereo cable, this is the same cable you use to hook up a VCR to a TV (sometimes), A DVD to a TV (sometimes), or a CD player to a Stereo Reciever (always). It is almost always a red wire and a white wire.

You will also need an adapter to go from Stereo RCA to 1/8th inch jack. An 1/8th inch jack is the same jack you would use on a set of headphones. Its smaller than a 1/4 inch jack which is always used for a guitar.

Plug the STereo RCA plugs into the LINE OUT or STEREO OUT on your recording machine. Make sure you match the colors.

Plug the other end (which is now an 1/8th inch jack adapter) into the back of your souncard on your computer. Its will probably be orange (but not always) It should be labeled LINE IN.

Now you have a direct connection from your recording machine to your PC.

Step 3.
Go to http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ and download the free version of AUDACITY. (download to your desktop so its easy to find)

Install AUDACITY by double clicking on the file you just downloaded to your computer.

Either double click on the small speaker icon on the bottom most right hand side of your screen and a volume control window should pop up. If LINE IN is muted, unmute LINE IN and turn up the volume 3/4's of the way. Or go to START on the bottom mmost left hand side of your screen, click on CONTROL PANEL and double click on SOUND & AUDIO DEVICES, click the volume tab, now turn the LINE IN volume on and up to 3/4's level.

Step 4.
Open up Audacity. Go to FILE - PREFERENCES and choose STEREO input in the CHANNELS menu. Click the red button labaled RECORD.

Step 5.

Press play on your recording machine.

You should now be watching your song being recorded by your PC and hearing the song through your PC speakers. If its not playing go back and make sure LINE IN is on, and that AUDACITY is using LINE IN as the source.

When your song is finished, press stop on AUDACITY.

Now in AUDACITY click FILE, EXPORT TO WAV, and name, choose a destination to save, and click save.

You now have a digital master copy of your song on your PC.

Step 6.
Your computer must have come with a CD writing/burning software. If you have a DELL then you most likely have ROXIO EASY CD CREATOR.

Open up the program EASY CD CREATOR.

Choose AUDIO/MUSIC CD, choose the second option on the second menu ( I think its MUSIC CD or MUSIC CREATOR. You should now see a window with a lot of white space and a button that says ADD MUSIC/SONG.

Find your new Song and drag and drop, copy and paste, or click ADD SONG and find your song and add it your MUSIC CD window. You can add up to 80 minutes of music on one CD. If you don't have blank CD's go to staples, office max, circuit city, etc. and buy a large pack of CD-R Data, not CD RW, and not CD R Music. CD R Data is cheap and works just fine.

Once you have added your desired songs, choose the option called DISK AT ONCE (this option is either on the window you are staring at, or you have to hit the record button in EZ CD CREATOR and then you choose DISC AT ONCE. Either way you want to choose that option because it will allow most CD players to be able to read your audio CD.

Thats it, just say yes or no to whatever windows pop up after your CD finishes recording and you should have a good CD.

You can do more with Audacity by boosting volume level or applying an EQ. I use a demo version of GOLDWAVE for volume boosting, sound removal, and Parametric EQ, its better for that stuff, but Audacity is better at recording.

Go get those cables and figure out that wiring, then try your hand at the rest.

Good luck!
 
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