What to get?

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Well before i get to the question that i wanted to ask, i'll already state that i have already used the "Search" option, and found a few things but not quite exactly what i was looking for. Anyways, I'm an aspiring emcee that has been rapping for 6 years now. I have a budget of $300-$750 and was wondering what could get me the most bang for my buck. I will be using my laptop for the whole editing and all that good stuff. The equipment could be used or new, it really doesnt matter. As long as I can get good quality. I've taken looks at musiciansfriend and found some things but from what i've read alot of the buyers are band members, I.E. Guitar players, bass players, etc.

Basically to simplify my question it is; I rap and want to record, what equipment should i get and what would the price range be, what programs should i record with, and how to rob a bank (whoops wrong section xP) jk jk.
 
*Bump* and anyone? Help please? :confused: . By the way if someone ever does reply to this...can anyone tell me why sometimes people put the microphone upside down and what that does?
 
The best bang for the buck can be subjective. Do you have any equipment already? Will you be making your own beats or getting them from others??

For emcee'ing, you'll need a mic (obviously), a mic pre-amp and an interface to get it into the computer. You'll also need software to record with.

Your $300 - $750 is quite a budget range and can span from mediocre to not-too-shabby. Some interfaces come with Mic Pre's built in and also come with DAW software, So when shopping around, you should be comparing what's available. You'll have to determine what the "Best Bang for the Buck" is for $300 or for $750.

If you're just going to be recording vocals, you can use a USB interface. Try looking through these for ideas.

http://www.sweetwater.com/c695--USB_Audio_Interfaces/low2high

A good recording environment is essential to getting quality sound. You'll need to evaluate your space and determine what it will take to make it work for you. Check out the Studio Construction forum for help.

peace.
 
Thanks a bunch Chili, and to help others help me out :p , I don't intend on making any beats although i do have an axiom 25, I will be receiving my beats from others. And to help you understand how completely lost I am. When reading Chili's post i understood about only 40% of it. Sorry for being such a nub.

These are some of the things I've been looking at and I'm wondering if they will be good for the type of music i am pursuing. And if they are all the equipment i need. Also what program should I purchase to work with recording as an emcee. Any tips and comments would be greatly appreciated and help alot. Thanks.
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-MAudio-ProFire-610-Package?sku=501289
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Digidesign-Mbox2-Mini-Recording-Package?sku=482344
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-FIREBOX-Recording-Bundle?sku=241480
 
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My gut says that packages are usually packaged together because they weren't able to get enough people to buy the products to begin with....


ProFire 610 bundle:

The mic stand is utter crap. I have two of these sagging under the weight of pencil condensers. The manufacturer sells them to a bunch of different companies who put their names on them, but they're all the same junk, whether it's Musicians Gear or Nady on the package. Using this mic stand to hold any mic is a recipe for the mic falling over and potentially getting damaged. You'd be better off just hitting the mic with a hammer and getting it over with. :D

The cables are probably crap (not that cable quality really matters much unless you're going gigging with it), but are probably good enough.

The speakers have 100mm woofers. To translate that into U.S. customary units, that would be 4" drivers. Translation: also crap. You can't get any useful bass response out of what amounts to a 4" computer speaker, no matter how much wattage you put behind it. The laws of physics just won't allow a cone that small to have the needed excursion or displacement. :) As a general rule, 6" is considered a bare minimum for any useful bass response, and even those tend to be pretty sloppy. Most good near-field monitors have 8" drivers.

The AT2020 is an okay mic, but isn't particularly good for vocals. There are any number of other mics you'd be better off with.

All in all, you'll basically be getting the same useful stuff as in a ProFire 610/M-Powered bundle, but you'll be spending $200 on extra crap that you won't like much. It's a good deal from a strictly numbers point of view, and if you're willing to turn around and resell the speakers, the mic, and the junk mic stand on eBay, you'll be about $75 ahead if you're lucky and can get new-product prices for everything. In my mind, it's probably not worth the effort, though, particularly once you think about how much time you'll spend reselling that stuff.


MBox 2 bundle:

You can buy the interface as cheap as $245.

Same not-too-good $200 speakers.

$200 USB controller. No idea if that's in any way useful.

$20 for a metal pop filter

$10 for the mic stand (well, that's what it's worth, anyway)

$99 microphone.


Again, you're barely $75 ahead of break-even, and you have a somewhat underpowered, somewhat overpriced (IMHO) audio interface, speakers that reek, and a $99 Chinese microphone, which while usable, is the very bottom end of M-Audio's microphone line.

FIREBOX Bundle:

The FIREBOX is probably my least favorite interface out there. It doesn't comply with FireWire specifications for power drain, so some computers flat out refuse to power it up without using the external power supply. In spite of that, its pres still don't have enough gain. And it is made my Presonus. Three strikes. :)

The speakers, again, have 4" drivers, which just doesn't cut it, IMHO.

The MXL 990 isn't a particularly good mic.

If I added the numbers up correctly, based on the best prices I could find for these pieces of gear, it would appear that you are paying approximately $150 for two cables. What are they, spun gold or something?


The bottom line:

I don't think any of these packages make much sense. You aren't saving enough off the full price of the items (if anything) to make it worth having to deal with the poor quality of several of the pieces in the packages, nor the hassle of reselling those bits on eBay.

Based on what you said you were doing in your PM, I'd suggest:

Edirol FA-66 (with free mic cable)
$269
http://www.uniquesquared.com/servlet/the-95/Edirol-Roland-FA-dsh-66-Firewire/Detail

M-Audio BX8A pair
$339 (this is a really good deal; normally, these are about $500 for a pair)
http://cgi.ebay.com/M-AUDIO-BX8A-De...itors-NEW_W0QQitemZ270356515201QQcmdZViewItem

CAD M9
$235 (one left at this price, $50 cheaper than anywhere else)
http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?item=CADM9&id=CADM9&l=FROOGLE

TAMA MS205 mic stand
$55
from MF or any number of other places.

And you should also get yourself a pair of closed can headphones for tracking. I have no suggestions on that.

Also, don't forget software. If you are on a Mac, I'd say just use Garage Band and you'd be fine. If you're on a PC... maybe Reaper ($50 non-commercial license, try-before-you-buy).

That sums up to about $150 more than the priciest package you listed, but it's also a much nicer setup, IMHO.

There are places you could cut corners here if desired, though, e.g. substituting a warehouse-resealed Edirol UA25EX from ZZounds instead of the FA-66. That shaves about $50 off.

There are any number of other mics that are cheaper that would also be decent, e.g. the CAD M177 or M179. That'll save you about $100.

Finally, you could try doing your mixing with headphones. I wouldn't suggest buying cheaper monitor speakers; you'll probably end up regretting it, and they're not exactly easy to get rid of. :D
 
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