What made Trump so bad?

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On a quick side note....

Is there anyone here familiar with PID loops? I worked with this kind of tuning years ago but some of the specifics are eluding me right now.
 
Mick Doobie said:
According to Trump's lawyers who arrived at the scene subsequent to the "raid" commencing, law enforcement conducting the raid were initially reluctant to provide a copy of the warrant. Contrary to "explicitly describe" what items they were looking for, probable cause was sealed. As the law professor in the opinion piece you posted said, perhaps the purpose of the raid was "whatever they ended up seizing would contain evidence of a crime." I'm no expert, but I don't think that is how it is supposed to work. Besides, sealing probable cause might lend credence to some crazy conspiracy theory that it was merely what they call a "fishing expedition", and law enforcement could later taylor probable cause to support "whatever they end up seizing". I would think that is why disclosure at the time of the raid is important, important to subjects of the raid, and certainly above the table law enforcement. Any citizen to include former presidents could righteously and accurately to classified as a victim if such things occured. If probable cause is not disclosed at the time of the raid, we will never know, will we?
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According to a guest on Rachel Maddow’s show (apologies I do not recall who without going back to look up, and yes she’s left wing), the classified documents Trump is suspected of having are so sensitive they cannot be described, and that’s why they are sealed. I assume they are given names like “document A” etc. This is certainly plausible that a president would have access to things like that. Saying things like “they were reluctant to provide” is kind of bullshit. The demeanor of the agent is irrelevant and provided only to imply they were up to something. They provided a warrant that was issued for sensitive documents who’s details were sealed. Period.

Now, it’s also plausible that this may be a fishing expedition, at least in part. To be there legally, there has to be some compelling evidence regarding Trump having classified info though. To think he’s got the highest level of info just hanging around at his golf club with his buddies is frightening. Therefore, if this is part fishing as well, I’m cool with it. I would be for anyone in the same circumstance. A president doesn’t get to be above the law. This guy is a loose cannon to say the least.

Remember, Trump did return like 15 boxes of documents he was not supposed to have. Apparently there is still evidence that more is still missing. According to the guest I spoke of, the White House worked with Trump quietly for months to get them back but he did not cooperate.
 
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Mick Doobie said:
Witch hunt?

You made the assumption that the search warrant "would explicitly describe what items they were looking for". Maybe the NY post wasn't reporting it, I don't know. But I provided information with which you are (were) unaware.Trump's lawyers said probable cause was sealed. Aren't you interested in truth, and facts? All you have to say about that is some sophomoric reference to witch hunts? That's how seriously you take it....law enforcement conducting a raid on someone's home?
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You don't have to plead the 5th, or get raided by the FBI if you've done nothing wrong.
 
Dave Matthews said:
You don't have to plead the 5th, or get raided by the FBI if you've done nothing wrong.
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As much of a shit bag I think Trump is, I don’t fault anyone for not talking to the police or feds. There’s absolutely nothing you can say that will help you. Only hurt. Even if you’re 100% innocent.
 
leddy said:
As much of a shit bag I think Trump is, I don’t fault anyone for not talking to the police or feds. There’s absolutely nothing you can say that will help you. Only hurt. Even if you’re 100% innocent.
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I guess that's what lawyers are for... even the ones you stiff for payment.
 
Somewhere in a parallel universe at a parallel time to our own.
The year was 2011.
It was a decade after the Epstein Island orgies, after the Stormy Daniels "encounter", long after a flirtatious Trump hung out at his beauty pageants in our own universe.
The other universe had no knowledge of these things.
It was much kinder.
There was a Mr. Trump at age 64, and the news media warmly referred to him as "the Donald".
a reality tv star, a real-estate developer.
Nobody even took him seriously.
a parallel Opra even had him as a guest on her show.
As the parallel news media announced the other Trump's foray into the political sphere:

The casino mogul and reality-television star says he's nearing a decision about whether to plunge into the 2012 presidential race. But the most recent polls contain some ominous signs for "The Donald."

"Trump's numbers might not be insurmountable if he didn't have all the problems he would encounter in a campaign; opponents pointing out the massive flip-flops on social issues, on tax issues, on a whole host of policy questions, on abortion."

abcnews.go.com

Election 2012: Donald Trump Losing Favor Even Before He Enters the Race

Is Donald Trump's White House dream over before his campaign can even begin? The casino mogul and reality-television star says he's nearing a decision about whether to plunge into the 2012 presidential race. But the most recent polls contain some ominous news for "The Donald."
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

But that was a different universe than our own.
How different our universe is.
We have a Mr. Trump, called "orange man", who might as well be the devil incarnate, according to the news media in this universe.
Oh how he is loathed by the FBI.
They raid his home hoping for something, anything, they can pin on him.
The same FBI that raided Hillary Clinton for her illegal server... NOT...
In this universe the FBI cooks up fake crimes and covers up the real ones.
The Hunter Biden laptop -- just russian disinformation we were told, and Trump was a certified, died in the wool russian puppet according to umpteen mocking birds in the intelligence agencies.
Here's to the parallel universe that never existed to start with according to the "ministry of truth".
and here's to a man named Orwell that missed the date on his book.
It should have been "2024" instead of "1984". 🥃 🥃 🥃 :drunk:




 
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WWLaidback said:
Somewhere in a parallel universe at a parallel time to our own.
The year was 2011.
It was a decade after the Epstein Island orgies, after the Stormy Daniels "encounter", long after a flirtatious Trump hung out at his beauty pageants in our own universe.
The other universe had no knowledge of these things.
It was much kinder.
There was a Mr. Trump at age 64, and the news media warmly referred to him as "the Donald".
a reality tv star, a real-estate developer.
Nobody even took him seriously.
a parallel Opra even had him as a guest on her show.
As the parallel news media announced the other Trump's foray into the political sphere:

The casino mogul and reality-television star says he's nearing a decision about whether to plunge into the 2012 presidential race. But the most recent polls contain some ominous signs for "The Donald."

"Trump's numbers might not be insurmountable if he didn't have all the problems he would encounter in a campaign; opponents pointing out the massive flip-flops on social issues, on tax issues, on a whole host of policy questions, on abortion."

abcnews.go.com

Election 2012: Donald Trump Losing Favor Even Before He Enters the Race

Is Donald Trump's White House dream over before his campaign can even begin? The casino mogul and reality-television star says he's nearing a decision about whether to plunge into the 2012 presidential race. But the most recent polls contain some ominous news for "The Donald."
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

But that was a different universe than our own.
How different our universe is.
We have a Mr. Trump, called "orange man", who might as well be the devil incarnate, according to the news media in this universe.
Oh how he is loathed by the FBI.
They raid his home hoping for something, anything, they can pin on him.
The same FBI that raided Hillary Clinton for her illegal server... NOT...
In this universe the FBI cooks up fake crimes and covers up the real ones.
The Hunter Biden laptop -- just russian disinformation we were told, and Trump was a certified, died in the wool russian puppet according to umpteen mocking birds in the intelligence agencies.
Here's to the parallel universe that never existed to start with according to the "ministry of truth".
and here's to a man named Orwell that missed the date on his book.
It should have been "2024" instead of "1984". 🥃 🥃 🥃 :drunk:




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Crucify Hunter Biden if you like. As long as we’re in parallel worlds, suppose Don Jr. had a thing for coke and possibly underage girls. Suppose he made suggestions to companies that being the president’s kid might make him desirable to have on their board. In that parallel universe, are you holding that against Trump? Would he lose a single vote over it? Joe is not Hunter. Hunter is likely a drug-abusing pedo. No one voted for Hunter. The guy you voted for stole highly classified documents and kept them at his country club. He’s being investigated for tax and insurance fraud. He stole money from charities. He stiffed people that worked for him. He cheated on his pregnant wife. He defended Putin when Russia was known to be spreading disinformation and tried to expand his company in to Moscow. He ended our history of peaceful transfer of power. Be a man and admit your cognitive dissonance.

The real tragedy is that so many like you are cool with this.
 
In my opinion he only ran as a Republican because he knew there was a sea of morons out there that would follow him like lemmings

To his credit he was right
 
PorterhouseMusic said:
I've said it repeatedly.... Just imagine if trump was a Democrat. These people wouldn't have heads anymore because they would have exploded
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Democrats for democracy???
Now that's a joke.
Here's what Tulsi Gabbard said about the FBI raid at Mar-a-largo.
As you may recall, she served in the middle east, and she was a democrat contender for president.
Not good enough for Hillary Dillary though.
Tulsi works for rootin tootin pootin sez the reincarnation of Ma Barker.

rumble.com

FBI raid sets dangerous precedent: This is not Democracy

Regardless of how you feel about Trump, this FBI raid throws fuel on that fire of distrust and sets a dangerous precedent that reduces our government to being no better than a banana republic, where d
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leddy said:
According to a guest on Rachel Maddow’s show (apologies I do not recall who without going back to look up, and yes she’s left wing), the classified documents Trump is suspected of having are so sensitive they cannot be described, and that’s why they are sealed. I assume they are given names like “document A” etc. This is certainly plausible that a president would have access to things like that. Saying things like “they were reluctant to provide” is kind of bullshit. The demeanor of the agent is irrelevant and provided only to imply they were up to something. They provided a warrant that was issued for sensitive documents who’s details were sealed. Period.

Now, it’s also plausible that this may be a fishing expedition, at least in part. To be there legally, there has to be some compelling evidence regarding Trump having classified info though. To think he’s got the highest level of info just hanging around at his golf club with his buddies is frightening. Therefore, if this is part fishing as well, I’m cool with it. I would be for anyone in the same circumstance. A president doesn’t get to be above the law. This guy is a loose cannon to say the least.

Remember, Trump did return like 15 boxes of documents he was not supposed to have. Apparently there is still evidence that more is still missing. According to the guest I spoke of, the White House worked with Trump quietly for months to get them back but he did not cooperate.
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How the fuck would you know if "The demeanor of the agent is irrelevant and provided only to imply they were up to something"? Were you there? No. And you're cool with the FBI and justice department under the guise of retrieving super secret frightening top secret information using the opportunity to fish for anything they could possibly find? That's not how that shit is supposed to work. But you're fine with it. Well, okay.

The White House, huh? That's who is behind the raid? Interesting to know. According to guests who were not on Rachel Maddow, when "The White House" was returned 15 boxes they were given full permission without a search warrant to look through any other boxes that were present. Guests who were not on Rachel Maddow have said Trump was very cooperative.. I would think if "The White House" discovered super sensitive top secret information that belonged to the govt they would or could have seized them at that time. But they didn't. Why? They chose to come back later, with a search warrant. Why would that be?

You don't know what was in those boxes, nor do I. I would think Trump knows. "The White House" would certainly know, because word is they looked. If they looked, and it was specific super dooper secret shit in there, it should most certainly be detailed in the probable cause. Probable cause was sealed, so we may never know, right? There's been a shitload of that kind of thing going on for too long.
 
WWLaidback said:
Somewhere in a parallel universe at a parallel time to our own.
The year was 2011.
It was a decade after the Epstein Island orgies, after the Stormy Daniels "encounter", long after a flirtatious Trump hung out at his beauty pageants in our own universe.
The other universe had no knowledge of these things.
It was much kinder.
There was a Mr. Trump at age 64, and the news media warmly referred to him as "the Donald".
a reality tv star, a real-estate developer.
Nobody even took him seriously.
a parallel Opra even had him as a guest on her show.
As the parallel news media announced the other Trump's foray into the political sphere:

The casino mogul and reality-television star says he's nearing a decision about whether to plunge into the 2012 presidential race. But the most recent polls contain some ominous signs for "The Donald."

"Trump's numbers might not be insurmountable if he didn't have all the problems he would encounter in a campaign; opponents pointing out the massive flip-flops on social issues, on tax issues, on a whole host of policy questions, on abortion."

abcnews.go.com

Election 2012: Donald Trump Losing Favor Even Before He Enters the Race

Is Donald Trump's White House dream over before his campaign can even begin? The casino mogul and reality-television star says he's nearing a decision about whether to plunge into the 2012 presidential race. But the most recent polls contain some ominous news for "The Donald."
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

But that was a different universe than our own.
How different our universe is.
We have a Mr. Trump, called "orange man", who might as well be the devil incarnate, according to the news media in this universe.
Oh how he is loathed by the FBI.
They raid his home hoping for something, anything, they can pin on him.
The same FBI that raided Hillary Clinton for her illegal server... NOT...
In this universe the FBI cooks up fake crimes and covers up the real ones.
The Hunter Biden laptop -- just russian disinformation we were told, and Trump was a certified, died in the wool russian puppet according to umpteen mocking birds in the intelligence agencies.
Here's to the parallel universe that never existed to start with according to the "ministry of truth".
and here's to a man named Orwell that missed the date on his book.
It should have been "2024" instead of "1984". 🥃 🥃 🥃 :drunk:




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That sir was a pretty darn good rant...I like it!
 
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