What made Trump so bad?
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Dave Matthews
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No, I believe not.
I looked online and from what I can see it depends on what crime. If he can still be elected president then he most probably will be and that is going to be hilarious for us all to watch.
But actually it makes no difference, because anybody could be elected president instead of him, but still either follow his policies or take direction from him. A bit similar to what happens anyway especially to lefties.
So at the end of the day the lefties had their chance and blew it within 18 months. With what is going on now there is no way any sane person would vote for them again.
And just to satisfy EZ, I am talking around the world, because they have all followed identical policies (including USA) and the people are rejecting them en-mass.
This bill throws even more money out there which comes from the fed credit card.
That makes zero sense. Here we have a situation where amounts of money that a normal person cannot conceive of has already been strewn about, thereby reducing the value of each individual dollar.
On the surface, we see rising prices, but it’s actually devaluation of the currency, so your buck buys less.
So the dumbasses in an effort to ‘fix’ inflation dump more money that devalues the dollar even more creating more inflation.
And can someone please tell me how hiring 87,000 more IRS agents will in any way make inflation go down??
Fucking lunacy......... or nefarious criminality. They’re gonna bleed us dry before it all come crashing down.
Just finished watching the Netflix special “Woodstock 99”. It got me thinking.
Jan 6 ‘insurrection’ was like a few fleas on a dog, whereas Woodstock 99 was like a train had run over that dog.
Huge disaster, and to watch how “limp biscuit “ and the “ Red Hot Chili Peppers” agitated and incited the crowd was actually pretty disgusting.
Singer for the Chili Peppers was asked by the mayor to say something to calm down the crowd while they were lighting fires. He says there’s nothing he can say to calm things down, and then for an encore they kick into Jimi Hendrix “Fire”.
Predictably, the crowed starts more fires.
No one there went to jail for incitement.
By the end of the three day festival, the place looked like a war zone.
And our elected “officials” have the nerve to compare J6 to 911 or Pearl Harbor.
But in all fairness if the J6 event went on for three days maybe it could have ended up like that. But it didn’t.
The take away for me was it’s pretty powerful, and not in a good way, what a crowd of people is capable of. Scary stuff, this mob mentality.
If you haven’t seen it sorry for the spoilers, but it’s still good to watch.
Jan 6 ‘insurrection’ was like a few fleas on a dog, whereas Woodstock 99 was like a train had run over that dog.
Huge disaster, and to watch how “limp biscuit “ and the “ Red Hot Chili Peppers” agitated and incited the crowd was actually pretty disgusting.
Singer for the Chili Peppers was asked by the mayor to say something to calm down the crowd while they were lighting fires. He says there’s nothing he can say to calm things down, and then for an encore they kick into Jimi Hendrix “Fire”.
Predictably, the crowed starts more fires.
No one there went to jail for incitement.
By the end of the three day festival, the place looked like a war zone.
And our elected “officials” have the nerve to compare J6 to 911 or Pearl Harbor.
But in all fairness if the J6 event went on for three days maybe it could have ended up like that. But it didn’t.
The take away for me was it’s pretty powerful, and not in a good way, what a crowd of people is capable of. Scary stuff, this mob mentality.
If you haven’t seen it sorry for the spoilers, but it’s still good to watch.
WWLaidback
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Any economist worth his salt will tell you that government spending contributes significantly to inflation.
Here's how:
Higher Government Spending Does Cause Inflation — Here's Why
Amid multi-decade high inflation, many have been trying to apportion the blame for the price rise. Does high government spending cause inflation?
By and large, economists agree that higher government spending is inflationary. When it's accompanied by accommodative monetary policy, as we saw between 2020 and 2021, the impact on inflation is even more severe. Add the supply chain issues and we had a perfect storm.
WWLaidback
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Thanks to the Mar-a-largo raid, Trump raised more money than the DNC and RNC combined, and he stands at $100 million.
The DNC is at $52 million and the RNC is at $45 million. Screw both of them.
The DNC is at $52 million and the RNC is at $45 million. Screw both of them.
Dave Matthews
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So, the Trump admin kicked it off nicely... Thanks asshole.Any economist worth his salt will tell you that government spending contributes significantly to inflation.
Here's how:
Higher Government Spending Does Cause Inflation — Here's Why
Amid multi-decade high inflation, many have been trying to apportion the blame for the price rise. Does high government spending cause inflation?marketrealist.com
By and large, economists agree that higher government spending is inflationary. When it's accompanied by accommodative monetary policy, as we saw between 2020 and 2021, the impact on inflation is even more severe. Add the supply chain issues and we had a perfect storm.
Spending Has Increased $800 Billion Under President Trump | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
President Trump's Fiscal Year (FY) 2021 budget calls for about $3.2 trillion in net deficit reduction over the next decad
PorterhouseMusic
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Have you looked into this? I have not. Are you personally knowledgeable about this sort of thing? I'm asking you sincerely. Or are you doing that thing that I'm pretty sure you are critical about with others, ie: taking erroneous information that you saw on twitter or fox news (or the crooked dishonest not-to-be-believed mainstream media) and just assuming that you understand things clearly?
I don't know that much about it and don't claim to be an authority on the matter - or the legislation that is behind the funding. But I have read a couple of articles that seem to indicate an alternative point of view. Maybe this is fake news - so much news is these days based on someone simply disagreeing with it - regardless of it's veracity. Not pointing fingers - although I probably should.
Since news broke on Monday that the FBI searched former President Donald Trump’s South Florida home, Republican members of Congress and right-wing media figures have launched a new line of attack against Democrats: that the Internal Revenue Service intends to use nearly $80 billion in new funding to pursue similar intrusions on average Americans. Those dollars, Trump allies are saying, will go toward the hiring of 87,000 new IRS agents.
“Do you make $75,000 or less?” tweeted House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy. “Democrats’ new army of 87,000 IRS agents will be coming for you—with 710,000 new audits for Americans who earn less than $75k.” Richard Grenell, Trump’s former Acting Director of National Intelligence, wrote on the social media platform: “The FBI raids Trump’s house and the Democrats vote to add 87,000 new IRS agents to go after Americans. Wake up, America.”
Other high-profile conservatives have insinuated that the Biden administration intends to direct those additional auditors to dig up dirt on the President’s political opponents. “After todays raid on Mar A Lago what do you think the left plans to use those 87,000 new IRS agents for?” tweeted Sen. Marco Rubio.
It’s a notion that has taken off like wildfire, signaling what is likely to be a prominent broadside from Republicans against Democrats in the midterm elections.
There’s only one problem. It’s not true.
The Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate, health care and tax package that passed the Senate on Sunday and is expected to head to Biden’s desk after the House approves it on Friday, includes roughly $78 billion for the IRS to be phased in over 10 years. A Treasury Department report from May 2021 estimated that such an investment would enable the agency to hire roughly 87,000 employees by 2031. But most of those hires would not be Internal Revenue agents, and wouldn’t be new positions.
According to a Treasury Department official, the funds would cover a wide range of positions including IT technicians and taxpayer services support staff, as well as experienced auditors who would be largely tasked with cracking down on corporate and high-income tax evaders.
“It is wholly inaccurate to describe any of these resources as being about increasing audit scrutiny of the middle class or small businesses,” Natasha Sarin, a counselor for tax policy and implementation at the Treasury Department, tells TIME.
At the same time, more than half of the agency’s current employees are eligible for retirement and are expected to leave the agency within the next five years. “There’s a big wave of attrition that’s coming and a lot of these resources are just about filling those positions,” says Sarin, an economist who has studied tax avoidance extensively and who was tapped by the Biden administration to beef up the IRS’s auditing power.
In all, the IRS might net roughly 20,000 to 30,000 more employees from the new funding, enough to restore the tax-collecting agency’s staff to where it was roughly a decade ago.
The IRS currently has roughly 78,000 employees. According to John Koskinen, who served as IRS commissioner from 2013 to 2017, that’s down from around 100,000 when he first started. By the time he resigned four years later, he said, it was clear that the agency was in the grip of a systematic attempt by the GOP to weaken it.
“Nobody loves tax collectors,” Koskinen tells TIME.
It’s an effort that goes back to 2010, when Republicans took back control of the House of Representatives and immediately instituted a series of crippling cuts on the IRS. Since then, overall funding for the IRS has fallen further, by more than 20 percent, while enforcement funding has dropped by 31 percent. That’s made it easier for high-net-worth tax cheats and major corporations to avoid federal taxes to the tune of billions of dollars.
“The largest corporations in the United States with over $20 billion of assets have had their rate of audits go from nearly 100% to 50%,” says Janet Holtzblattt, a senior fellow at the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. “Among wealthy individuals who had a positive income of a million dollars or more, the audit rate fell from 8.4% in 2010 to 2.4% in 2019.”
Meanwhile, the employee shortage only made it harder for average Americans to reach IRS customer support, which has been inundated with requests far beyond what the staff could handle. “I used to say there’s no Democratic or Republican way to run the IRS,” Koskinen says. “The people who are significantly disadvantaged are the average taxpayers who have a simple question and can’t get through. Those are Republicans as well as independents and Democrats.” As of last month, the IRS backlog included 10.2 million unprocessed individual returns.
Funding from the Inflation Reduction Act will also go toward tech modernization. The IRS currently uses technology from the 1960s, called COBOL, to process and intake individual tax returns. According to government officials, the agency has struggled to find workers who are still equipped to code under the antiquated system.
The increased funding for the IRS is a key part of Democrats’ plan to pay for the Inflation Reduction Act. By going more forcefully after tax cheats and increasing compliance, the Congressional Budget Office estimates the agency will increase revenue by $204 billion over the next decade.
Yet while the IRS may be in desperate need of more funding, it’s not exactly most Americans’ favorite government institution. Nobody likes to fork over a big check to Uncle Sam. Which is a big reason why Republicans are likely to keep hammering this point in the coming months, and potentially pointing to 87,000 new IRS agents who will never materialize.
“I think a lot of people are going to be upset by this across the country and across the political spectrum,” Hogan Gidley, Trump’s former White House deputy press secretary, tells TIME, when asked about IRS funding. He falsely described the Biden administration’s plan as hiring “85,000 IRS agents to come after mom-and-pop businesses.”
But if Gidley’s right, Americans will only be angry because of what Republicans are telling them about the IRS—not what’s actually happening there.
What does the Inflation Reduction Act do to your chances of an IRS audit?
Republicans claim 87,000 agents will boost audits of average taxpayers, while Democrats say hiring will bring more tech, more audits of the rich and much-needed customer service
www.deseret.com
It may even be a good gig for someone who has the right stuff.
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And again - I'm no authority on the matter - but if spending causes or contributes to inflation and *if* the plan was to hire however many new "agents" - the moron that I am concludes that increasing revenue through increased tax collection enforcement could somewhat offset that spending and reduce or at least help with the deficit? Perhaps helping the inflation issue? No?
Something tells me that Mick will be along shortly to see how he can shoot holes in.... well anything or everything that I just said and added.
Something tells me that Mick will be along shortly to see how he can shoot holes in.... well anything or everything that I just said and added.
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WWLaidback
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don't underestimate how many crazy people there are.
PorterhouseMusic
Mitakuye Oyasin
Irony.
Dave Matthews
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leddy
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I thought Jan 6 was pretty much the pinnacle of that.
Sky Blue Lou
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Oh no - the 1/6 "insurrection" was nuthin'. Wait for the witch hunts coming after mid terms and the tidal wave when Trump is re-elected. (It will be even sooner if this raid produces enough evidence for a trial. God help us all if these fools convict him.)
Dave Matthews
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I don't understand how you could be seen as a fool for convicting a criminal.
Sky Blue Lou
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You don't understand the Trump effect and his supporters. That doesn't necessarily make you a fool as you are not directing actions against him but those that are need to tread very carefully indeed. I do not see that happening. This is about getting all picayune with the crimes and punishment bit. This is about the consequences thereof.
Dave Matthews
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It is he that needs to have consequences, and those like him or you are ruled by criminals.
60's guy
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Those people being 87,000 currently unemployed Democrats who are firearms proficient.
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