what is tube??

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hey guys sorry for all the questions, but i really do not know much and would like to learn various things.


my question right now is regarding the craze behind the tube amps

i know that they are really good,.. but wht is the difference betwen a tube and solidstate amp. and what is the different between a tube amp simulating solid state amp.. \

also what do the tubes acutally do in the tube amps?
thanks
 
Tube amps give the classic sound of bands like Led Zep, Cream or Jimi Hendrix. For many years solid state amps couldn't even get close to that sound. But, the new amp simulater stuff get's VERY close to that ventage sound that us old guys love so much.

Does that help?
 
Tubes do the actual amplifying part.

The pre-amp tubes (the small ones) amplify the electrical signal of the guitar by several hundred times - the power amp tubes by two or three times.

I'm not up on the technical stuff, but the reason tubes sound different to solid state (i.e. transistors) is that when you drive them hard (i.e. with a lot of signal) they over load and you get this really cool sounding natural distortion.

When you over load transistors, on the other hand, they just sound like shit.

Hope this helps.

foo
 
Also, and let's be honest here, tube amps are popular because they permit the user to easily change the various sound qualities of the amp through tube changes and substitutions.

If you have a half-dozen different 12AX7* preamp tubes from various years and makers, you will find that they do indeed change the sound of the channel into which you swap them, often in quite remarkable ways. Likewise the power tubes.

A solid-state device is more of a "closed box" to the user.

That said, there are some very nice solid-state amps (especially for bass) and many people believe that the future of amps is a neutral solid-state power amp with a modeler front end. These amps are already big in the marketplace, and are getting better all the time.

A modeler in front of a neutral power amp permits infinitely more variations in sound than changing tubes will.
 
hmmm...

Tube amps definitely give you a level of tweakability, but that would be secondary to me. I've never changed a set of tubes in my amps. Ever.
(Which is weird, I guess, since I change pickups in my gutiars all the freakin' time!)
For me, tubes are all about tone. Period. I have never heard a solid state amp that I felt truly rivaled a good tube amp, though I have heard some bad tube amps that sounded worse than a good solid state amp. SS amps have come a long way, but I really don't they will ever "be there".
Digital modeling I think offers the best likeness of a good tube amp, and I have heard some models that I think are a perfectly acceptable substitue in a recording situation.
But for real, loud playing, tubes are it for me. The way a good tube amp saturates is just unattainable by any other means.

I don't know the scientific theory behind any of it. I just know what my ears and fingers tell me. Tubes tend to sound more fat and dynamic. Solid state tends to sound harsh.

Aaron
Voodoo Vibe Productions
http://www.voodoovibe.com
 
Do u know if the crate tube head,, the blue vodoo 60 or 120 h is any good?

wha tabout for a more modern sound
thanks
 
PeterKang,

Rule 1 in this whole thing is:

If it sounds good to you, it is good.

Crate amps don't sound good to me, so . . .
My Boogie sounds good to me, therefore . . .

Hope this helps.

foo
 
What is tube:


Tube technology, ancient by todays digital standards, is the art of using vaccum tubes filled with a nobel gas as a way of manipulating electrons. Tubes, also called valves across the pond, amplify the original signal feed to them by passing the signal though a voltage plate. The voltage plate(s) in tubes get their power from a big ass transformer that steps your household voltage of 120vac to around 400vac for a 25w amp that is rectified e.g. converted to DC voltage and filterd through large capacitors.

Solid state technology is the use of solid mattter semi-conductors(silicon) in various devices to manipulate the flow of electrons, made available to us by the alien vessel that crashed in roswell in 1947, and uses a device called a trasister to replace tubes. Transisters can perform the same function as tubes, more effeciently than tubes, using less power and and lossing less energy to heat. And because transisters are so effecient, there in is the difference in the tone of both type of amps.

Tubes are clumbsy, in-effecient, and have a built in defect. By cranking your tube amp up to ten, you are rising the plate voltage to a piont where the original signal(your guitar) is overdriven and becomes distorted. however this defect in the design is what make them sound so good. The tubes can then become oversatuated with electrons and will start to cause the output signal to create overtones and feed back. Because of the style music of the time, most manufactures tried to prevent distortion from happening by making power transformers and tubes larger. That is why the Twin and Concert amps are so loud. It was meant to keep the sound clean, without distorting at high volumes.

Solidstate amps were designed to elimnate distortion at high volumes. And by players' standards they did it too well. Solidstate guitar amps today, for the most part are designed to emulate the defect of tube technology because it is a prefered sound. So you may be asking why even make solidstate amps at all....its cheaper technology to manufacture.

As for the Crate amp...keep in mind, every amp I own is a vintage tube amp from the 50's, so Im a little partial......is a hybrid amp( I think) and combines both solidstate transistors and tubes. For my taste, newer tube amps, hybrid or traditional, do not sound like the original ones, even the re=issue stuff isn't the same to my ears. More crisp and industrial sounding instead of warm and mushy. Its very hard to descibe in detail the differences in tone between the two technoloies, you just have to be around the things and get to know them.......but for the price of the brand new Crate, you may be able to find a deccent vintage tube amp.....Gibson and silvertone vintage amps are a great bargan right now because too many people mistakenly think if does'nt say fender on the grill then its no good. Bullshit. I would go that route, but like foo said use what you think sounds good
 
i woiuldnt mind getting a solid state head, but many people have said that would be a mistake.. althought i would like to achieve the vintage distorted sounds, i would like to achieve a really good modern tone as well.
im not really sure about getting a tube or a solid state head.
i mean i allready have a solid state gfx 212 and i like how it sounds, but i would like to move a step up. I want to use this head for all purposes such as recording, playing live, etc.
thanks
 
You don't say what your budget is, but if you get a Mesa Boogie Mark IV head you will live happily ever after.

It will take you a while to learn how to get the sounds out that you like as it is so sensitive and the controls are somewhat interactive, but it can do absolutely everything, and sound great doing all of them.

Power/thrash/death metal? No problem!
Intimate little jazz trio? No problem!
Classic Country? No problem!
Virtuoso guitar god? (Yawn) No problem!

foo
 
my budget... well frankly it is anything that i can raise by the time i want to buy it, which won;t be much.. im just a little sheepish 15 year old kid! :(
 
So Cool!

Get yourself a paper route, wash the neighbors cars, mow thier lawns - whatever it takes and save yo money.

When I was fifteen I didn't know a damn thing and there was no one to go to to ask - stick around here and keep asking and we'll help you out.

. . . and write your own songs (it doesn't matter if you think they're any good - keep writing them).

and good luck to you , too

foo
 
hey thanks man... i went looking for jobs consistently for the last couple of months, and theres this stupid law saying u hafta be 16... ::sigh::

as for writing my own songs, i primarily want a good head for recording . of course and live gigs wiht my band..

by the way, when recording, do you usually mic the amp, or run direct, and what are the pros of each
thanks
ps
wiht running thru amp, waht mics and what placement is a very good placemtn
 
Peter,

there are 100's of thread involving this on this board. It all depends on what material you have. If you got a modeler like a POD or a J-Station or whatever, you can easily record great tones by plugging it direct to your mixer. When you have a great amps and cool mics, you can mic the cabinet, one dynamic near the speaker, a condensor further away for example, but there are dozens of possibilities. Just browse this board, and experiment a lot yourself.
 
Check out Tech 21's Trademark 10 and Trademark 60

Tech 21 is the company that makes the Sansamp pedals. Their amps are 100% solid state, but they use their own patented tube emulation circuitry that quite honestly sounds pretty damned amazing. This is not to be confused with digital modeling such as found on the Pod; it's a different ballgame altogether. Anyway, check out the Trademark 10 (10 watts) or the Trademark 60 (guess how many watts...). They're amazingly responsive to how hard or soft you play. [To qualify this a bit, I don't play metal, so I couldn't tell you how well they deliver in that department.] Everytime I see one of these amps in a music store, I just can't resist trying it out.

I'd always been a Fender Pro Reverb man in the past, but the next opportunity I get, I'm definitely gonna pick me up one of these. They're absolutely sweet sounding!

(No, I don't work for Tech 21. I'm just extremely impressed with how good these amps sound.)

Bruce in Korea
 
Foo said <Virtuoso guitar god? (Yawn) No problem! >

You know whats this thing that people these days (90's, 2000's) bag out lead guitarists and drummers that use toms. I know it might seem wanky to some, but the likes of Hendrix, Blackmore, Page, Townsend, Eddie, etc showed the world what can be done with electric guitars. And you can pick through and take what you want from these guy's. And EVERYONE DOES. Nobody is prepared (ok some of us do) to actually do the hard yards (that these guy's did) and actually learn guitar solo's anymore. Its easier to say, thats a wank and hit some mind blowing bar chord instead. Im not sure if this is what Foo meant by Virtuoso guitarists. And Im not having a go at you Foo. By the way I think that Dave Grohl (foofighters guitarist/drummer ex nirvana drummer) is the best rythum guitarist I've ever heard. And he doesn't solo. But IF he could, It would definatelly add SOMETHING to his already kick ass songs.

Sorry to sidetrack this thread on tubes. I use an old 1979 50w marshall superlead head into a 4x 30w celestians cab thats even older (has Jims signiture in pencil inside it). I've been through about 5 or 6 sets of tubes since then (bought the head new in 79) and each time it did sound slightly different. Better. I will never sell this amp.

Scott..
www.feel-rock.com
 
Hey, don't worry Scott.

Real guitar playing is coming back... I can feel it. The grunge/ anti-virtuoso thing has about run it's course, I think. It was sort of a backlash to all the great guitar players of the '80's. Now you have a new generation of guitar players that cut their teeth on '90's music and are looking for something more.
Now is the time for all us '80's guitarists to start giving private lessons to the young guys looking to learn seious guitar. Now is our glory... now is our triumph......this is the moment of our ultimate POWER......


MOOO- HOOO- HOOO- HAAAA- HAAAA- HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!


Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
 
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