What I Want

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Ok. first, great song. Now to the problems. The drums should be handled separately from the whole rest of the mix. Try running the mix with no compression on the drums and cut the overheads a little at about 2K to 2.5K Then apply any mastering multi band compression carefully. Strt with presets and see which one you like and then make a minor adjustment but avoid that area of 2K to 2.5K It should sound smoother and a lot less fatiguing. (I would not have played the crashes at all. They get in the way. This is a great song for no cymbals except hi-hat and the right hand on the low tom.)
Rod Norman
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jimmys69 said:
Tune is very cool! Much too much compression... How did you even get the overheads to pump like that? Could be a cool effect if not so fatiguing.
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Rod Norman said:
Ok. first, great song. Now to the problems. The drums should be handled separately from the whole rest of the mix. Try running the mix with no compression on the drums and cut the overheads a little at about 2K to 2.5K Then apply any mastering multi band compression carefully. Strt with presets and see which one you like and then make a minor adjustment but avoid that area of 2K to 2.5K It should sound smoother and a lot less fatiguing. (I would not have played the crashes at all. They get in the way. This is a great song for no cymbals except hi-hat and the right hand on the low tom.)
Rod Norman
Engineer
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Every post you make is stupid. Why is that?
 
Listening to mix #2. Definitely too much overhead on the drum kit, those crashes are dominating. I can hear the pumping still, although I didn't listen to mix #1 so I'm not sure how it compares. Nice drumming though!

The lead vocal, especially in the first verse, sounds a little weird to me. The performance is fine, but the EQ sounds more like a live stage-like sound than a studio track. Not sure how to put my finger on what I'm hearing...too much bass or low-mids in the vocal maybe? Or maybe it's just more dry than I'm used to hearing?

I like this song a lot, good structure and really a good performance. I think that the new amp is sizzling, sounds good to me. I'm on a hair trigger on getting one of those same amps myself...damn GAS.
 
Greg_L said:
Every post you make is stupid. Why is that?
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I really think this is a 15 year old kid that is taking a break from Grand Theft Auto to continue his 'engineering' career. It just amazes me the poor advice given by this guy.

Every time I contact you about this Rod, you never respond. Why is that?
 
Rod Norman said:
Ok. first, great song. Now to the problems. The drums should be handled separately from the whole rest of the mix. Try running the mix with no compression on the drums and cut the overheads a little at about 2K to 2.5K Then apply any mastering multi band compression carefully. Strt with presets and see which one you like and then make a minor adjustment but avoid that area of 2K to 2.5K It should sound smoother and a lot less fatiguing. (I would not have played the crashes at all. They get in the way. This is a great song for no cymbals except hi-hat and the right hand on the low tom.)
Rod Norman
Engineer
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Seriously man? Dood. Ugh...

I can't neg rep you because I have no others to neg more than you.

Can I neg rep you Greg so I can spread to Rod? lol
 
jimmys69 said:
I really think this is a 15 year old kid that is taking a break from Grand Theft Auto to continue his 'engineering' career.
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No no, you must have missed this: https://homerecording.com/bbs/gener...do-recommend-book-guide-370431/4/#post4212194

I learned everything from the top recording and mastering engineers in New York City
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:laughings:

He never responds to your PM's, and he never responds to people responding to his assinine posts, either. It's a new thing on the net. Drive-by stupidity. :eek:
 
Working on the spread so I can red the worthy. Rep point thread here I come...
 
Hey guys, thanks for the comments.

I'll put up a 3rd mix either tonight or tomorrow. I spent some time on it yesterday. I pulled down the OH's something like 3 more dbs. That allowed me to nudge up the guitars (which is something I always like to do - ha). Greg - there was never much processing on the OHs. Just small bit of compression in mix #2 with a semi-long attack to tame the crashes but let the attack of the snare through. Anyway, I took that out.

jimmy - believe it or not, there is no compression on the kick. It does sound compressed tho - but it's just naturally that way. The only processing is EQ to pull down the low mids - kind of the standard EQ stuff for the kick. I did, however, pull it down at least a couple of dbs - so it's not quite so "in your face".

tadpui, famous, ido, Rod Norman - thanks for listening and commenting.

I'll get a mix up soon. Greg - I might try dropbox to see if that clears up the cymbals a bit.
 
Rod Norman said:
(I would not have played the crashes at all. They get in the way. This is a great song for no cymbals except hi-hat and the right hand on the low tom.)
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Bingo. The crash on this one's irritating - that's partly the sound, though. I had this tune once and said to the drummer: 'No cymbals on it, okay?' And he was like: 'Well it needs SOME cymbals.' Then it turned into a negotiation and a compromise was reached. I think it's a drummer thing. They just like to hit things. They like to hit *everything*. :D
 
No crashes at all? It's a pop-rock song. It's not some faggy acoustic ballad. Lol. You idiot non drummers need to simply shut the fuck up, or learn to play yourself. :laughings:
 
I'll make you crazy now. I watched a Velvet Underground concert last night. (Yeah, I know he's dead. It was a 1993 concert.) I was amazed to watch how Maureen Tucker drums. I'd never seen that before. You ever seen that? She's got a bass drum flipped over on its side, which she plays with either sticks or mallets. Absolutely idiosyncratic. Anyway...she often plays without cymbals. And I happen to like the Velvets a lot, so...
 
dobro said:
I'll make you crazy now. I watched a Velvet Underground concert last night. (Yeah, I know he's dead. It was a 1993 concert.) I was amazed to watch how Maureen Tucker drums. I'd never seen that before. You ever seen that? She's got a bass drum flipped over on its side, which she plays with either sticks or mallets. Absolutely idiosyncratic. Anyway...she often plays without cymbals. And I happen to like the Velvets a lot, so...
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I like VU a lot. Not even remotely the same kind of music as this. I know all about minimal cymbal use. I played psychobilly drums for a long time with only a ride cymbal. I get it. This is not the song for that though. The mix just needs to be ironed out so the cymbals aren't beating your face in.
 
I'm a long time fan of VU & the offshhots/solo careers therafter.
Maureen Tucker's drumming is dead weird yet always appropraite.
The live reunion stuff demonstrates that pretty well - mallet/hammer & standup style couldn't have been easy on her back.
Often dark music & minimalism - particularly with regard to cymbals - suits.
Pop rock needs a crash or two.
 
Enjoyed this Trip. Performances are really good - I think there are a couple of things that could do with rebalancing in the mix though. There's already plenty of stuff on the drums from people with much better knowledge than me, so hopefully you'll get the overheads sorted. The other thing was that I thought the vocals could do with a bit of a boost - they're very firmly sitting in the mix. I don't think they necessarily need to be way out in front, but a bit more of a lift would be good.

Other than that, sounds good. You know how to write a catchy tune :thumbs up:
 
Thanks rayc and Rob.

New mix in the top post. It's a dropbox URL, not soundcloud. Since the OH's are the biggest issue, and Greg thought that SC sometimes trashes them, I thought I'd try this one on dropbox. As I said before, the OH's are pulled down further, the kick is pulled down, which left me a little room to boost the guitar. Rob - the vocals should be a little easier to hear. I always try to get the lead vocal just above the guitar, and no further. That's just where I like it.

And personally, I like the crashes. Mostly I like the tom fills. But I think the crashes are fine.
 
I just listened to the drop box link and having not heard this track since the first upload I have to say it sounds much much better to me.

If I had to be picky, I would say the rhythm guitars are a touch too loud now but you seem like you have them were you want them.

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Hey man.
I haven't read through the comments but I listened to the second mix and really enjoyed it.
There's a lot of energy in there! Great job.

I found the vocals a little hard to make out. I'm not sure that they're too quiet, but they're definitely not clear enough for me.
The cymbals got to me a little from about half way through, too. I don't think anything changed...They were just wearing on me by then.

Some real nice guitar tones in there!
Thanks for sharing.
 
Mr. Clean - thanks for the listen. We'll see what other people say about the guitar level. If too many people can't make out the words, I'll nudge it down.

Steen-O - there are three mixes, so make sure you listen to #3. It's the dropbox link (the other two are soundcloud). Thanks for checking in.
 
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