What have you pioneered ?

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Terry Wetzel said:
Capo in the 3rd fret?
You would be playing in the key of G major if the chord forms were fingered as if you were playing in E maj.
If you fingered the chords as if you were in A, with the capo in the 3rd fret, you would be playing in C.
Perhaps I don't know enough chords but, unless you had invented some exotic tuning, I don't see how you could have been in B flat?
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I think what he means is: He puts the Capo on the third fret, then he plays in G, which is not really playing in G. He's (in quotation marks) "Playing in G", which is usually the 3rd fret. But since he has a capo on the third fret, he's playing 3 frets up from that, which is the 6th fret. Which means he is then playing in B flat.

I hope that makes any sense at all. :eek:
 
Terry Wetzel said:
Capo in the 3rd fret?
You would be playing in the key of G major if the chord forms were fingered as if you were playing in E maj.
If you fingered the chords as if you were in A, with the capo in the 3rd fret, you would be playing in C.
Perhaps I don't know enough chords but, unless you had invented some exotic tuning, I don't see how you could have been in B flat?
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Maybe I've described it wrong then ! I'd love to take credit for pioneering some exotic new tuning but unfortunately.......
If I play guitar and I capo at the 3rd fret, fingering chords as if I were in A would put me in actual C as you've said. So fingering chords as if I were in G would make it actual B flat. If at that 3rd fret I played in D, the actual would be F.
So with the capo on the bass my capo'd G is in actuality a B flat. In any event, the song I used the capo on went great and the drummer had a good laugh !
 
RAMI said:
I think what he means is: He puts the Capo on the third fret, then he plays in G, which is not really playing in G. He's (in quotation marks) "Playing in G", which is usually the 3rd fret. But since he has a capo on the third fret, he's playing 3 frets up from that, which is the 6th fret. Which means he is then playing in B flat.

I hope that makes any sense at all. :eek:
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Thank you RAMI ! I was starting to think I'd gotten it way off, all these years ! I possibly don't explain myself well.
 
Terry Wetzel said:
Sorry South side, I meant the one about Buddy Holly!
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Ah, OK. I can't confirm the inside the body thing, I have not heard that, but I understand that Norm Petty (Holly's engineer in Texas) was one of the pioneers of the idea of close-miking of the instruments.

I can see it now:

BUDDY HOLLY: "Hey, Norm you get that mic any closer to the guitar and it'll be inside the doggone thing!

NORM PETTY: Hmmmmm!!!

:D

G.
 
grimtraveller said:
Thank you RAMI ! I was starting to think I'd gotten it way off, all these years ! I possibly don't explain myself well.
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It is hard to explain. It made sense to me in my head, but half way through my post, I started thinking "What the hell have I gotten myself into here." :D
 
grimtraveller said:
what unusual or innovative ideas have people used on recordings or playing live ? Things that were out of the blue or totally off the wall ? Experiments that you could say you pioneered, even if it later turned out that someone had already done it?
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I discovered multiband compression in 1995. All hardware. Of course it had been used by others before that but I didn't know. I used it in recording classical guitar to get a richer-but-not-boomy sound in the low mids while keeping the clarity of the highs, trying to maximize the crap gear I had at the time in my home studio, and it worked pretty well (the tracks got airplay on classical radio).

Before that I also discovered parallel compression, (also used by others before, obviously:D). I used it to handle the same problem as above, and it helped. In the early 90s I was making a Christmas album with a hammer dulcimer player (duo of hammer dulcimer and classical guitar), and the recording engineer was having a tough time getting the sounds dialed in. I had been using parallel compression in my home studio, so suggested it. He rolled his eyes saying, "Why would you mix a compressed signal with uncompressed?!?". I had no answer except that I liked it. He tried it and it worked.
 
Oh, and I forgot to say that during that whole time I was playing the guitar with my feet.
 
I guess everyone has done this at some time or other: string up a 12 string guitar with only the high pitched strings. At the time I thought that it was pretty nifty, and I hadn't seen anyone do it.

I've always wanted to get a right handed drummer to set up their kit left handed so that they could get those great Ringo Starr "backwards" drum fills happening. None of them will take me seriously enough to give it a shot...
 
Paulie Jay said:
I've always wanted to get a right handed drummer to set up their kit left handed so that they could get those great Ringo Starr "backwards" drum fills happening. None of them will take me seriously enough to give it a shot...
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You don't need to set up a kit backwards to do that.
 
Greg_L said:
You don't need to set up a kit backwards to do that.
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Especially not if your goal is to match Ringo's intensity.


When I'm exhausted playing guitar, I'll often rest my hair on the strings. Itn makes a neat muted guitar sound. A little bit like a sitar attack with no real sustain. Cool for picking. I'm probably around the millionth person to do this though. You have to assume this was pretty common in the 80's .. if you catch my drift. :D
 
I'm pretty new to the home recording game. I just got protools for Christmas, and it's a blast. I've got a Zoom G1X, which has amazing guitar tones, especially for the price(it's got a certain mesa sim on it that's just to DIE FOR!). The only plugins I have for it are whatever came with it (aka not much), and I was looking for some cool vocal effects (gain, etc). I got myself a mic to 1/4 adapter and plugged my brand spanking new SM58 to my zoom pedal and went crazy. I literally messed with that for 10 hours straight. Fun stuff.:rolleyes:
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Ah, OK. I can't confirm the inside the body thing, I have not heard that, but I understand that Norm Petty (Holly's engineer in Texas) was one of the pioneers of the idea of close-miking of the instruments.

I can see it now:

BUDDY HOLLY: "Hey, Norm you get that mic any closer to the guitar and it'll be inside the doggone thing!

NORM PETTY: Hmmmmm!!!

:D

G.
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Possible South Side but I have to doubt it. You see my brother and I recorded at Petty's studio in Clovis N.M. in 1965. Petty was producer and engineer. One of our songs was composed with acoustic guitar rythym and lead solo. Norman tried to talk me out of it. He said acoustic guitars lacked sufficient energy to record at a good level. I insisted and he relented. He later overdubbed a vibraphone played by his wife which all but obliterated my solo! One can take this 2 ways. First, he had used the mic inside the guitar idea and it worked well enough for Buddy Holly, wouldn't he have done it again? Second, as I said earlier, Buddy was a perfectionist and if he had tried the mic inside idea and it pleased him, I guess it's possible but, I still doubt it. Anyway, once again, my response to this was originally meant for the guy who put the first comment on this in the forum but thanks for your input.
 
I have invented 2 musical things as far I can tell. the first is playing lead harp notes and lead guitar notes at the same time. I think I invented this thing. I haven't heard anone else do it as one person, at the same time.


been sooo lonesome
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8750340

letting my guitar and harp cry
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8750341






I have invented Spontobeat- all my words and music are spontaneously created and recorded. I have no idea what is coming out of me. I just sit down and music flows out. I record everything live. There are about 2,000 of my songs below. I use different set ups, but mainly am a real 1 man band -drums/cymbal on my feet, guitar, harp on a rack, piano, vocal, all at once. The first 10 songs on my site below are acoustic harp and acoustic guitar. Yesterday I got in the mood for that set up, but 98% of the songs are in the 1 man band context with electric guitar. I was actually ready to post a thread asking for advice when recording the acoustic guitar, vocals, harp, all at once. I am not satified with my results. I also haven't spent much time on this either. My studio is 12'x12' and moving mics around is a real hassle with the drum gear, keys, guitar amp, computer, in the room.
 
Read the first post in here from GrimDude and had to laugh.
Just this weekend, I was playin bass in a band and ended up using a capo on the first fret. :)
Got the same reaction too.

WTF? :confused: You use a capo on bass?? I've never seen that before etc blah blah...

I didn't think it was any big deal and it got the job done and then I tune in here this mornin and find I'm not the only one. :)

;)
 
Terry Wetzel said:
Hey Mr. Clean.

I'd like to know the source of this little rock trivia statement!
thanks.
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Hey Terry. I've read it a couple of times in several books. Being a huge Holly fan I've read the lot. The bullshit ones and the real ones.

J.I. Allison also talks about it on the Buddy Holly & the Crickets Definitive Story DVD.

Watch it here

The 'Well All Right' bit starts at 3.48 - J.I mentions the mic inside the acoustic acoustic shortly after. As he was there in the room, I really doubt he'd be telling porkies ;-)

Should watch the rest of that Docu too, it's the best one ever made of the man himself. Enjoy!
 
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