Paulie Jay
New member
I know I don't need to, but I've always wanted to get a right hander onto a left handed set-up (the opposite of what Ringo was doing) to get them in the same headspace.
I know I don't need to, but I've always wanted to get a right hander onto a left handed set-up (the opposite of what Ringo was doing) to get them in the same headspace.
gecko zzed
Grumpy Mod
I like messing around with convolution reverbs, and instead of using impulse files, using any wav sample . . . you get some pretty interesting effects that way.
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Terry Wetzel
New member
Hey SouthSide...
Thanks. Maybe someday, if I hang in long enough I'll understand the language you guys use here and how to find my way around these forums without getting lost. With your help I hope.I know, Terry. It was a joke, son! (hence the smiley face)
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SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Yeah, it's tough on these forums because you can't hear voice inflections or pick up body language to help interpret what people really mean when they type something. The little emoticons (smileys and frowns and such) can help, but there are no single set of rules for them either. We used to have one guy on here that was a complete asshole and was so on purpose, but ended every post with a
to try to make it appear like he was just joking when he really wasn't.The best one can do is to try to learn the players as best as possible, but that takes time and posts to get a handle.
Don't worry about it, Terry. It was cool to hear of your experiences at Petty's studio. Did he get the crickets out of the woodwork yet?
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nate_dennis
Well-known member
I'm pretty sure that a lot of people have done this, but I didn't read it anywhere. I wanted my drums to sound real, even though the were sampled. So I set up two snare sounds on different pads and changed minor things about them. So same sample, but maybe the "nuance" settings were different so that they sounded a little different from each other. I did the same thing with my hat sounds. Then when I played them in I randomly alternated between the two different samples. Giving it a more realistic sound. Then instead of directly recording the song I ran the drums through my monitors and mic'd them using two Naiant XQ SDC mics. I really liked the outcome. To my ear it all sounded very useable.
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MrBlackthorne
Funkmaster
Just needed to post a reply to this, because I also put a capo on my bass years ago. There was a song we were writing where the guitars were capo'ed up on the third fret. The bass part I wanted to hear included playing the third fret of the A and D strings while playing a few other notes further up on the neck. So, I capo'ed up the bass for that one song.
Don't know why it seems so weird... Since this was the only way to accomplish what I wanted to hear, I did it. But, like you, I got some weird looks. Years later, I'd still meet people who'd be like, "Oh! You're the dude that puts a capo on the bass!" It was only that one song, and it struck me as funny that I was remembered for that one thing...
Rick
Don't know why it seems so weird... Since this was the only way to accomplish what I wanted to hear, I did it. But, like you, I got some weird looks. Years later, I'd still meet people who'd be like, "Oh! You're the dude that puts a capo on the bass!" It was only that one song, and it struck me as funny that I was remembered for that one thing...
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cantthinkofname
Active member
thanks to everyone for the information about the soundholes
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Richard Monroe
Well-known member
Wow! That makes me think of the pure joy of using audio gear to cause suffering in a righteous way. In college I lived in one of those 60's pre-fab dorms with the paper thin walls. The Qualude addicts in the next room (sort of proto-Goths) liked to put on one album every night at 03:00am, as loud as their pathetic stereo could distort. Not Goth muisic- Eat a Peach-The Allman Brothers. I had a 7:00am German class, and when I asked politely if tjhey could get a better amp, or turn the thing down until it didn't distort, or maybe even BUY ANOTHER ALBUM... I was threatened with a loaded crossbow (which I take damned seriously)!
I knew I wouldn't get any help from the Graduate Assistant. They were his drug suppliers and one of the Goth girls was greasing more than his palm, so...
I came back from home on Sunday with a signal generator and a Kustom 200 combo amp. You see, they had no knowledge that I played in bands. I rolled that amp right up against their wall, and set that signal generator at 27Hz, which at that time and place, elevation, temperature, and relative pressure, is the resonating frequency of air! Now even though that amp had been tricked out as a 2X12 bass amp. 27 cycles per second is asking a lot. The Tigersaurus power amp in the head (OK, it was still a Kustom cabinet) could actually produce the primary frequency, as well as a number of audible overtones. 27Hz may be subsonic, but what *you hear* sounds kind of like an old fridge that's about to bite.
Unfortunately, the subsonic primary frequency plays hell with your equilibrium via your middle ear, leading to- essentially, sea sickness. They came home from the bar, woke up sick, tossed their cookies (it was a normal morning), but when they went back to their nice warm bed, it started all over again. Me? I was in German class. I couldn't go over volume 3 without harming innocent civilians. After 3 days, they begged for mercy. I told them it was "Andy Warhol shock music" What's the matter. don't you like it? Wait 'til you hear me play Alice Cooper at about 8:00am. Little people with little record players...
The other time is what the post above reminded me of... That goddamned cricket! It infested my basement studio for 2 days, chirping incessantly and un EQ'ably. Finally I took one of those $20 ultrasonic insect repellents you see in camping stores, mic'd it up with a C414, ran it into the PA, cranked it as high as feedback would allow (with the mic in another room), and went to visit my sister! That cricket has never been heard from since. I don't know if he commited suicide, fled in terror, or was actually killed by it! Let this be a warning to others... My gear doesn't have to make everybody happy- just me.-Richie
I knew I wouldn't get any help from the Graduate Assistant. They were his drug suppliers and one of the Goth girls was greasing more than his palm, so...
I came back from home on Sunday with a signal generator and a Kustom 200 combo amp. You see, they had no knowledge that I played in bands. I rolled that amp right up against their wall, and set that signal generator at 27Hz, which at that time and place, elevation, temperature, and relative pressure, is the resonating frequency of air! Now even though that amp had been tricked out as a 2X12 bass amp. 27 cycles per second is asking a lot. The Tigersaurus power amp in the head (OK, it was still a Kustom cabinet) could actually produce the primary frequency, as well as a number of audible overtones. 27Hz may be subsonic, but what *you hear* sounds kind of like an old fridge that's about to bite.
Unfortunately, the subsonic primary frequency plays hell with your equilibrium via your middle ear, leading to- essentially, sea sickness. They came home from the bar, woke up sick, tossed their cookies (it was a normal morning), but when they went back to their nice warm bed, it started all over again. Me? I was in German class. I couldn't go over volume 3 without harming innocent civilians. After 3 days, they begged for mercy. I told them it was "Andy Warhol shock music" What's the matter. don't you like it? Wait 'til you hear me play Alice Cooper at about 8:00am. Little people with little record players...
The other time is what the post above reminded me of... That goddamned cricket! It infested my basement studio for 2 days, chirping incessantly and un EQ'ably. Finally I took one of those $20 ultrasonic insect repellents you see in camping stores, mic'd it up with a C414, ran it into the PA, cranked it as high as feedback would allow (with the mic in another room), and went to visit my sister! That cricket has never been heard from since. I don't know if he commited suicide, fled in terror, or was actually killed by it! Let this be a warning to others... My gear doesn't have to make everybody happy- just me.-Richie
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
I heard from reliable sources that it moved to Boston......not the Massachusets one, the Lincolnshire, UK one. He keeps a low profile, by all accounts.
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Richard Monroe
Well-known member
He may be alive, but the son of a bug is deaf!-Richie
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BrentDomann
Has a Dedicated Member.
Richard,
How did you figure out that 27Hz was the resonating frequency of air at that time/place? Did you work it out on paper or did you just tweak the signal generator until it hit the sweet spot?
Interested parties with inquiring minds and noisy neighbors want to know.
How did you figure out that 27Hz was the resonating frequency of air at that time/place? Did you work it out on paper or did you just tweak the signal generator until it hit the sweet spot?
Interested parties with inquiring minds and noisy neighbors want to know.
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recordist87
Banned
this thread is confusing
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Richard Monroe
Well-known member
Yo Brent! At that amplitude, when you hit it, there won't be any doubt in you mind. You can feel the whole room vibrate. I dialed it in on the California system-until the feeling was right. No, I don't have the math for it.-Richie
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Greg_L
Banned
That's maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
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Terry Wetzel
New member
Thanks for the info...
I'll look that one up. I HAVE "The real Buddy Holly Story", the one Paul McCartney produced. I'm not saying that the mic in the guitar wasn't a possibility. Just that it didn't seem logical for Norman Petty to have done that, especially in that time period. But again, anything is possible in a no rules mentality.
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Terry Wetzel
New member
Thanks for the insight..
As a matter of fact when we recorded there in '1965 the sucsess and legend of Buddy & the Crickets was still very evident. As for the mystical cricket chirp, It's anyones guess if that was for real or a spur of the moment publicity idea of Petty's. Interesting to speculate though!
I'm sure I'll master it in time but it's nice having people to call on when needed.Yeah, it's tough on these forums because you can't hear voice inflections or pick up body language to help interpret what people really mean when they type something. The little emoticons (smileys and frowns and such) can help, but there are no single set of rules for them either. We used to have one guy on here that was a complete asshole and was so on purpose, but ended every post with a
The best one can do is to try to learn the players as best as possible, but that takes time and posts to get a handle.
Don't worry about it, Terry. It was cool to hear of your experiences at Petty's studio. Did he get the crickets out of the woodwork yet?
G.
As a matter of fact when we recorded there in '1965 the sucsess and legend of Buddy & the Crickets was still very evident. As for the mystical cricket chirp, It's anyones guess if that was for real or a spur of the moment publicity idea of Petty's. Interesting to speculate though!
YorkshireTrippe
New member
doesn't capo-ing the bass make it go out of tune slightly? I may be completely wrong about this but I'm sure I've heard someone bang on about how the extra pressure a capo needs to apply onto the fretboard of a bass will lift the tunings of all the strings...because its pushing harder onto them and increasing the tension...someone back me up...?
also, on another note since the thread is a question, I have pioneered something. I've always played guitar slung as low as possible (sometimes even tying two straps together) because I'm an absolute hero and cool as fuck, but I found palm muting near impossible as you simply cant get the edge of your palm down there in that position. So I came up with a way of palm muting using my little finger. Due to it being weaker than my palm I had to put it a bit further onto the string and invented a completely different palm-muted tone than I could ever replicate with my palm. Its my signature tone now
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dintymoore
Guest
There's a lot of homemade stuff in my studio, I've been inventing stuff since I was a kid. Today I am making a switchbox so I can use my tube compressors with my mics or with my passive mixer without unplugging anything to switch back and forth. It uses 8 toggle switches.
I always say that if I die tomorrow at least I'll have the satisfaction of having made the best paper towel holder. I've made several and they are hands down better than anything you can buy.
Some of my crazier inventions in the past:
* about 5 years ago, I sawed a kick drum in half and mounted a baffleboard with a subwooofer speaker in it. I mounted that on top of a Roland PK5 set of MIDI keyboard pedals and that ran an Alesis D4 drum module and a SoundCanvas. So you played it at a bass drum, but everytime you played a note, you'd get a pitch plus a kick drum sound. It was very cool, and a drummer could play with a guitarist doing simple songs and play bass and drums at the same time. Worked fine for simple country or folk songs.
* in the 70's we found a personal vibrator in a house were rehearsing in. I mounted it on a stand and made a foot switch for it. I put it above my hihat stand and when you opened the hihat the top cymbal would contact the vibrator and it was pretty loud. It worked on open/closed stuff and I used the "electric hihat" on stage for awhile in a horn band.
* in the 90's I cut the body off of a '69 Impala and mounted a fiberglass Jeep CJ7 body on it. I had to make the front fenders with huge fiberglass molds and make the truck bed. It went like a rocket and I drove it for several years. I had to get it street legal (what a hassle) and I personally am listed in the state of Hawaii as an "automobile manufacturer" like Ford or GM (!). I've done a lot of car stuff. One time I cast a fiberglass hood for a '77 Cadillac and made it reverse so it opened from the front. Another time I made custom front fiberglass fenders for another Cadillac.
Most all my skills come from modding cars.
Lately I've been using my Summit tube compressors for makeup gain on my homemade mixer and man, it's in another world as far as quality. It's the first mixer I've liked since the 40 channel Neve I used 30 years ago. I wonder if you could even use a cheap Art tube compressor and make a great mixer.
I always say that if I die tomorrow at least I'll have the satisfaction of having made the best paper towel holder. I've made several and they are hands down better than anything you can buy.
Some of my crazier inventions in the past:
* about 5 years ago, I sawed a kick drum in half and mounted a baffleboard with a subwooofer speaker in it. I mounted that on top of a Roland PK5 set of MIDI keyboard pedals and that ran an Alesis D4 drum module and a SoundCanvas. So you played it at a bass drum, but everytime you played a note, you'd get a pitch plus a kick drum sound. It was very cool, and a drummer could play with a guitarist doing simple songs and play bass and drums at the same time. Worked fine for simple country or folk songs.
* in the 70's we found a personal vibrator in a house were rehearsing in. I mounted it on a stand and made a foot switch for it. I put it above my hihat stand and when you opened the hihat the top cymbal would contact the vibrator and it was pretty loud. It worked on open/closed stuff and I used the "electric hihat" on stage for awhile in a horn band.
* in the 90's I cut the body off of a '69 Impala and mounted a fiberglass Jeep CJ7 body on it. I had to make the front fenders with huge fiberglass molds and make the truck bed. It went like a rocket and I drove it for several years. I had to get it street legal (what a hassle) and I personally am listed in the state of Hawaii as an "automobile manufacturer" like Ford or GM (!). I've done a lot of car stuff. One time I cast a fiberglass hood for a '77 Cadillac and made it reverse so it opened from the front. Another time I made custom front fiberglass fenders for another Cadillac.
Most all my skills come from modding cars.
Lately I've been using my Summit tube compressors for makeup gain on my homemade mixer and man, it's in another world as far as quality. It's the first mixer I've liked since the 40 channel Neve I used 30 years ago. I wonder if you could even use a cheap Art tube compressor and make a great mixer.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Something I have noticed over the years of playing with a capo on both guitar and bass is that they'll sometimes sound out of tune or one of the strings will. But I realized a while back that that was to do with the way I put it on. You know sometimes how you just get a bit sloppy and just put it on anyhow ? I noticed that when either sounded out of tune, it was coz the strings were pushed to the side ever so slightly. Slightly enough for me to notice and be irritated. Now I sometimes have to clamp the capo two or three times before it's right. I have to look directly over the fretboard as opposed to from the side as that's when it goes slightly out. It may also depend on the kind of capo used.