What happened to real Hip-Hop?

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Let me first say that good music is good music if you put your blood sweat and tears in to some thing at the end of the day it don’t matter what any one thinks about your shit its yours I don’t like to knock any ones hustle! but I have to say that sorry to say X MAN DA LEGEND “radio plays good music” is just not true this might be easier to explain in the form of when real M.C.s or rappers battle. Excluding all that east/west cost shit, I am talking about skills real talent to rock the mic now not to long ago there was a conflict between KRS-one and Nelly. KRS-one was filling disrespected by not just NELLY but buy a whole generation of fans that have come up over the past 5-6 years who have been acclimated by commercial hip hop TV/radio there is a hole generation of people who don’t even care its like who’s DOUG E FRESH /CHUCK D /BIG DADDY KANE /GRANDMASTER CAZ. And some how they are not even relevant some of these guys careers are 15 years old and you look down on that all hip hop/rap artist should aspire to be in the game that long.

NELLY had a single on the training day sound track and he lashed out against fellow M.C.s who was not giving him respect that the music he was making was not real hip-hop. Ironically KRS-one had a song on his old LP “Im still number one” which he served MELLY weather NELLYS comments wear directed at KRS-ONE or not it started a battle most people would say KRS-ONE would win the battle after all he is a hip hop icon right? However, around the country they would just play NELLY records and his diss. And never played KRS-one’s record at all.

And then you have DJ’s on the air who don’t even have the history to even put it in the proper context one opinion might be that comical radio creates a lopsided battle field. Now days you have out side entities that will play NELLY all day long and never play KRS-one you have a fan base and a generation of people who are being fed and being thought hip-hop buy corporations who have a very different agenda. Now if you are talking about one man like KRS-one who is a hip hop icon going head to head with a corporation like universal who has a lot at steak who do you think is going to win well when NELLYVILLE LP dropped it sold over 4 million copies in 2002. and KRS-one wasn’t even able to sell 30 thousand units even after dissing NELLY so ask your self do corporate interest have any thing to do with what sells and what dos not sell? No matter the quality of the lyrics/music the way I see it is both NELLY and KRS-ONE are right it cannot just be all NELLY but what happened was it turned out to be all NELLY.
 
X man Da Legend said:
I work in radio ur not gonna school me on payola i know it happens. but that doesnt control peoples money or the fact that they would lose millions in ad revenue by losing listeners regardless of how much someone is paying them to play their music. if the listeners stop coming the ad revenue will stop comin and thats a big financial loss for radio. dont talk to me as if im an idiot u dont know me or what i do or dont know. u would be surprised. get out of the fuckin house go to the club or a house party or anything and see what is bein played there. its dance music thats 90% of whats on the radio is and its always been that way its nothing new. I love old school as much as anyone else here but my point is that things change and u have to learn to embrace the change. Im not saying that the music on the radio is the greatest kuz theres a lot of stuff on the radio that i like and a lot i dont same w/ underground a lot i like and a lot i dont but what im sayin is stop tryin to bring back the past. whats done is done lets move on to something better let the music evolve into something entertaining. I for one enjoy BEP, Nelly, Chingy, and PCD. Beep is one of my favorite songs right now. At the same time Fishscale is my favorite album right now. Im into a bit of everything so what is so corrputed about that? put out good music and people will like it and radio plays good music.
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Yup, you're brainwashed. :(

Good music has nothing to do with the style or sound... It has everything to do with content, and talent. BEP, Nelly, Chingy? Wow... that's some of the WORST music out right now.

Maybe where you live, people really like that stuff. Where I come from (Detroit), people like REAL music. The stuff that gets played around here at parties and what not, is stuff people can feel. Something that people can relate to. No one relates to "laffy taffy" or "My Humps"... That's some of the most ignorant music ever made. Mindless music, which makes society more and more ignorant the more they listen to it.

You know why you like Fishcale? Because there's only really one commercial single on it... The track with Ne-Yo. Everything else is typical Ghostface, and 90% will never see commercial airplay on a top 40 station. Dedicated Hip-Hop stations will play some of it, sure... But he stayed true to himself, for the most part. That's rare, these days.
 
BEP, Nelly, Chingy
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Hahahhah!!! what a fuckin joke. Southern rap has become total garbage to me & I lived in Texas all my life. All it's become is club type track'z rappin about Materialistic type b.s. You know If Scarface is puttin club tracks on his c.d. something is going wrong with southern rap shit. Everything sounds tha same here it's time for some originality & positive lyrics to hit the streets down here. Lil Jon & Fuckin D4l & tha rest of tha lame ass rap artist's only get paid by young white teenage teenie boppers it's time they hear some real lyrics & not any of this loud mouth ignorant/ degrading women screaming about how much blunts they've smoked or how bad they degrade women and their materialistic type garbage they spit. Shit is getting sickning in a bad way.
 
What About Celo Green. That Boy Be Droppin It For Real Hip-hop
 
It's just the cycle of things. It's been going on for a long time now. Once markets get over saturated, and the product too commercialized, new forms of whatever product it is(music included) will appear. These new forms will be raw, edgy, and unconcerned with commercial appeal. This is how rap, rock, and jazz were born. Rap was born when disco was over saturating the commercial radio/marketplace. X is right, let the past be the past. Let the cycle run it's course. Concern yourself with being that new, true form. Look to the future, and keep an ear to the streets.
 
Fuck all that stupid gay ying yang usher gay bullshit. It makes me wanna puke when I hear it.

Good hip hop = Atmosphere, Jurassic 5, Tribe called Quest, etc etc...
 
Some of the new shit is comedy now. I don't treat it as serious rap, but it doesn't mean I won't listen to it. I think everything has its time and place.
 
dog, i feel you...

i was going to write an open letter to all the DJ's i can locate man...to really ask them, do they realise that they are the frontline of breaking an artist to the public, and what damage they are doing to the industry by pushing this garbage.

I really want to understand, do they really see that they are deteriorating the industry.
 
yo know I was listening to XM and the old school Hip-hop they play..and it amazing how the game and content has changed(not by much)..but listen to a rap song from back in the days ..they talkin the same thing now without all the damn cursing..LOL to me that whats make a MC..WORD PLAY ..if you can make a hit without degrading women or anyone else(unless it is called for) then to me thats Hip_Hop...

I dont mind simple song..cause everything has it place(in the clubs) but to flood the damn airways with it is not good for the industry(well maybe for them it is) but I see alot of folks hate about this and that...I see it like this..they are where you want to be at..what are you willin to do to get their..cause someone thought they had the talent and market to get there..

stop bashing other artist and make a difference..to prove hip-hop is still alive(your soundscan numbers wont be up there) but you would have done something on a national level to be noticed...
 
I honestly think that most DJs (especially radio DJs) are caught up in the system. If they go against the "structured playlisting" they risk losing income. Income that they need to support themselves and their familes (even though depending on the location and your personality, you probably don't make too much). I know a local DJ here for an alternative rock station who once told me that if he ever dared to go against the grain and play something that wasn't on the playlist (besides from request line stuff) he would be looking at serious shit the next day when someone found out about it. He then goes to tell me that he makes less money than I do. I asked him about that too.

He says "I may not make a lot of money right now, but in the DJ business you either work your way up to make the good money and relocate to other areas, or you fail and it's pretty easy to be blacklisted from the industry if you go against the bosses...unless you're at the level of Howard Stern or Funkmaster Flex. The thing is, I love what I do regardless of the money I make or don't make...what other job is going to pay me for something I'd probably do for free if I could".


At that point...I understood clearly.

Fie.
 
real the blame is on the DJ's unless you in the club..cause on radio that have to play whats on the playlist(unless its the five o'clock ride-out mix..really all the play should on on the Program Directors..cause its them who pick what they should be playin...

I know back home in Alabama at or around Midnight on Friday the play local artist for about 45 mins...Now why cant ever radio statio do that...
 
bknot1 said:
real the blame is on the DJ's unless you in the club..cause on radio that have to play whats on the playlist(unless its the five o'clock ride-out mix..really all the play should on on the Program Directors..cause its them who pick what they should be playin...
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I blame the DJ's for eveything anyway....
 
Anybody hear from Miami????? What's up with them pirate radio stations down there. Now they play whatever the hell they want. That's what I'm talking about.
 
Now you cannot blame it all on the DJ’s if you are at a club you have to play what people want, you get kicked, or the management will not let you come back. There has to be a little of every thing could you imagine if a DJ’s rotation was say. mad lib/Jedi mind tricks/dr octagon/little bother /Dan the automater/blackalicious/cee-lo. I could go on forever all the good underground out there but most people don’t even know who half these artist are I think it is up to use the recording/DJ’s/rap artist/engineers/producers. on this and other sits like this to work hard and get our feet in the doors of universal and other big corporations like it. And make a change show them we can move units without selling out our music.
 
but being a DJ..its their job to break a new artist in to see how the club reacts..yeah, you gotta play to the crowd..but with like any new song the DJ is the one that breaks the artist..if they have them in their rotation more people will hear and ask who was that you just played..i dont blame anyone... music is changing everyday..but the PD have a lot to say what get put in rotation on the stations. So just create good music and place it where it need to be..dont knock the next many hustle..
 
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