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foreverain4
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fenix said:
i think protools (001, 002) have one of the worst sounding summing algoriths. it is very brittle imo. the "big dogs" using protools mix and HD typically run there stuff through SSL or the likes for summing.
LemonTree
Suck 'em and see!
Allen & Heath SaberPlus 24/16/16/2 to Delta 1010 to Cubase back out to A&H > L/R to MiniDisc. MiniDisc via S/PDIF into Wavelab > burn to CD.
I'm doing some grouping within cubase and sending the 4 stereo groups back out via the Delta1010. I'm gonna invest in another 1010 soon. I thought about buying a Delta 410 (maybe even 2)for a fraction of the cost, still giving me 16 (24 with 2 410s) returns to the desk on mixdown but I'm not to sure about going unbalanced RCA to balanced male XLR tape return. Would that work?
I like having the best of both worlds. Software gates and compression are a lot cheaper than outboard, and hands on knob fiddling EQ is much easier than point n drag with a mouse.
Any advice on the unbalanced RCA to balanced xlr tape returns?
I'd love to be able to pull 16 or even 24 tracks back through the desk at mixdown.
Alec.
I'm doing some grouping within cubase and sending the 4 stereo groups back out via the Delta1010. I'm gonna invest in another 1010 soon. I thought about buying a Delta 410 (maybe even 2)for a fraction of the cost, still giving me 16 (24 with 2 410s) returns to the desk on mixdown but I'm not to sure about going unbalanced RCA to balanced male XLR tape return. Would that work?
I like having the best of both worlds. Software gates and compression are a lot cheaper than outboard, and hands on knob fiddling EQ is much easier than point n drag with a mouse.
Any advice on the unbalanced RCA to balanced xlr tape returns?
I'd love to be able to pull 16 or even 24 tracks back through the desk at mixdown.
Alec.
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Chibi Nappa
New member
I do everything right in a Roland 2480. I would love to have a full size analoge mixer and outboard gear, but there's no way I can afford that right now. I've learned the Roland well enough that I get some great results anyway.
regebro
Insane Genious!
I mix THROUGH speakers. I mix WITH an analog console.
Toki987
Rock Steady
I feel really small and snaily around you pro big guys, with my little antiquated M30 and ART preamps for tracking.
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Greykitkat36
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I mix with an Analog console, and then MIXDOWN to a Sony CD Recorder.
cominginsecond
Decentralized Media Mogul
Preamp (Focusrite Penta, M-Audio DMP3, Joe Meek MQ3) ---> Delta 44 ---> Sonar 2.2 ---> 24 bit 44.1 WAV.
One thing that no one's brought up in the whole "computer vs. console" debate is that only computers can give you complete recall of mixes. I would die without that.
One thing that no one's brought up in the whole "computer vs. console" debate is that only computers can give you complete recall of mixes. I would die without that.
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Vim
New member
not quite - there are some digital mixers around that do dynamic mixes that can be stored. No doubt they use midi implementation for that so u could still probably send a sysex dump to 'save' ur mixes with ur song projects.
I normally track thru the 896 or Mackie / Yamaha boards straight into Logic Audio Platinum and the mixes i get sound good. Have decent monitors as well so this helps and i have a mackie control universal to help mix and avoid the mouse.
would really love to be able 2 buy a good sounding analog board such as a Ghost orone of the other high end boards but i just can not justify the cost - yet.
There are some really good plug-ins that are available for mixing and mastering and can be purchased easily and are more transportable than an entire room full of outboard efx. The UAD-1 and TC powercore s/w emulations give really good bang for the buck and can be automated and made to sound as good as the real thing.
Having said that, i suppose it is all about the work flow and sound. If you are happy with your sound and cannot afford expensive semi-pro/pro gear then u have no recourse but to learn your tools the best u can and hope for the best.
personally, i'd love to bounce or mixdown to a 2 track otari/oram etc but just cannot do so out here in the middle of the Pacific.
I normally track thru the 896 or Mackie / Yamaha boards straight into Logic Audio Platinum and the mixes i get sound good. Have decent monitors as well so this helps and i have a mackie control universal to help mix and avoid the mouse.
would really love to be able 2 buy a good sounding analog board such as a Ghost orone of the other high end boards but i just can not justify the cost - yet.
There are some really good plug-ins that are available for mixing and mastering and can be purchased easily and are more transportable than an entire room full of outboard efx. The UAD-1 and TC powercore s/w emulations give really good bang for the buck and can be automated and made to sound as good as the real thing.
Having said that, i suppose it is all about the work flow and sound. If you are happy with your sound and cannot afford expensive semi-pro/pro gear then u have no recourse but to learn your tools the best u can and hope for the best.
personally, i'd love to bounce or mixdown to a 2 track otari/oram etc but just cannot do so out here in the middle of the Pacific.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
A Yamaha 02R96 digital analogue mixing desk and Pro Tools.
Simman
Well-known member
Blue Bear Sound said:
The line voltage...
Carter
Total gear slut
Simman said:The line voltage...
Now that aint even right!
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solaris0031
New member
in thru delta 1010 via yamaha mg pres 
, mixing and mixdown via cubase sx...monitored on computer speakers , burned to cdrw, and checked in car stereo....over...and over...and over. 
.now this gets me worried because i always thought mixing down in the program would be the best way since you eliminate cable runs, ad/da conversions, etc..........i guess the good news is now i finally understand how people can record and edit tracks onto a computer, and mix on a big analog console. now i see why everyone thinks things like the tascam us-2400 are kinda silly. lol
, mixing and mixdown via cubase sx...monitored on computer speakers , burned to cdrw, and checked in car stereo....over...and over...and over. .now this gets me worried because i always thought mixing down in the program would be the best way since you eliminate cable runs, ad/da conversions, etc..........i guess the good news is now i finally understand how people can record and edit tracks onto a computer, and mix on a big analog console. now i see why everyone thinks things like the tascam us-2400 are kinda silly. lol
junplugged
Taking the slow road
Now why'd you all have to get me thinking about digital summing vs. analog? I never considered the issue, now I'm trying to visualize how a digital algorithm combines many data streams from many tracks into 2... rather than analog audio streams combining the old fasioned way and what the difference might be.
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LRosario
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Interesting topic-Very good insight.
You know it's funny because mixing "inside the box" vs analog mixing has become somewhat of a double edge sword. To a certain extent, I could say that analog boards wipe the floor with DAWs, but if you get to see the really high end systems, then you slowly realize that the earth is full of great and wonderful things.
However, I tend to think that analog and digital go hand in hand these days. Both with advantages and disavantages. However, no matter how much I appreciate what Pro tools TDM brings to present day recording, you'd probably find me more on the SSL anyway.
You know it's funny because mixing "inside the box" vs analog mixing has become somewhat of a double edge sword. To a certain extent, I could say that analog boards wipe the floor with DAWs, but if you get to see the really high end systems, then you slowly realize that the earth is full of great and wonderful things.
However, I tend to think that analog and digital go hand in hand these days. Both with advantages and disavantages. However, no matter how much I appreciate what Pro tools TDM brings to present day recording, you'd probably find me more on the SSL anyway.
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d(-_-)b-Phones
New member
SSL. Drools, MAn i would kill for an SSL, But my TAC Magnum is not so bad, its aged but in great shape, and i agree with you on the digital aspects, Digital Audio Workstations can really smoke, and get some great quality from them, AS LONG AS you use an analog board to capture that warm sound. I dont much like the sound of a direct in Digital guitar trying to sound distorted, I am sure with the right equip you could or anyone could make it sound good, but opinions are just that.
Treeline
New member
Just took delivery of a Mackie Onyx 1604 / fw setup. Mostly I track live stuff and use the mixer for live sound as well as an audio feed. In the past I've tracked up to eight lines simultaneously from a Mackie CFX mixer to an AKAI DPS16 and then played with the tracks. But now I'm starting to do more sound - like live drumkits as well as the rest of the band, and I kept running out of channels and fooling with multiple mixers while trying to control the live show at the same time. Made me crazy.
So anyway, this weekend I get to take this thing for a spin - 16 preamps... I'm pumped. Once I figure the thing out, I should be able to track 16 lines and a live stereo mix at once. We'll see if that is more better or more chaos...
So anyway, this weekend I get to take this thing for a spin - 16 preamps... I'm pumped. Once I figure the thing out, I should be able to track 16 lines and a live stereo mix at once. We'll see if that is more better or more chaos...
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
Let me know what you think of the pre's.
Treeline
New member
I'm kinda banking on the pres myself; I blew enough on this and building the computer so it's gonna be the setup for the forseeable future one way or another. Hope I like 'em. 
Except for Steve's amp. That somehow appeared in the queue ahead of the mortgage payment. Wonder how that happened. Damn accounting programs, I guess. Must be a computer thing. Oh well.
And the guitar.
And the Soundcraftsmen amp.
And the BOSE stage monitors.
and the effects pedal.
Man, is my goose cooked or what.
Except for Steve's amp. That somehow appeared in the queue ahead of the mortgage payment. Wonder how that happened. Damn accounting programs, I guess. Must be a computer thing. Oh well.
And the guitar.
And the Soundcraftsmen amp.
And the BOSE stage monitors.
and the effects pedal.
Man, is my goose cooked or what.
