What do yall think of "Eminem" and those racial slurs he spitted?

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Re: Damn and to think this dude actually made points about me before

illacov said:
A: Russell Simmons wife is ASIAN

B: The only reason that im adamant about not selling my interests outside of my race or IDEAOLOGY, is because i dont usually see anybody in the entertainment industry who is WHITE or represented by WHITE people...SELLING their company to the black community.

IF you did a little research you would know that the Black community is full of enterprising business people, with HUGE amounts of capitol, but who cannot buy their way into industry

I think the stinging reality of it all entails this one idea


NBC is supposed to be BET right now

Bill Cosby(multi millionaire), Oprah Winfrey (Billionaire), Michael Jordan (Multi millionaire), Magic Johnson (multi millioinaire) and many other Black celebrities and business people, try to buy NBC or at least have partial ownership of it

They wouldnt sell to them and they came to the table with BIG BIG BIG money and NBC just said no and found a way not to sell to them.

AND yet HERES THE BEST PART

When BET was for sale...did you know that not a single one of those people Magic, Jordan, Winfrey...NONE OF THEM got called....thats right the owner went straight to VIACOM...They even had a fuckin conference about that shit downsouth that my uncle went to...he belongs to this charter that represents black and hispanic business men...The whole affair was type fucked up when you think about it.

How come we cant buy MTV???,,,,but BET is now run by white people...its an OBVIOUS conflict of interest. How would you feel if a channel like OXYGEN was run by MEN??? wouldnt that strike you as odd??

Im not gonna go into details but simply put there is a recurring theme especially in the minds of black men that unless someone white is involved with your business its not legitimate.

By the same gesture this very board which is full of bigoted fuckwads...took it upon themselves when i said im the CEO of a record label...to make this point about isnt it funny that most of the ceos of hip hop labels arent CEOs and they take pictures with escalades blah blah blah...I own a Saturn...haha thats funny unto itself...but why didnt they talk about all the fake ass rock and roll label heads?? These so called indy labels where the STUDIO is just a four track with dynamic microphones??? Naw they wont go there....only black people since thats the actual meaning of HIP HOP is on this forum...if you say you do rap music AUTOMATICALLY ITS ASSUMED YOUR BLACK....TELL ME IM LYIN...
and YES IM HISPANIC BITE ME......so when Hip hop is mentioned everybody shits on you...hmm everybody white that is...hmmm...and yet HIP HOP is whats keeping rock and roll ALIVE right now

the money we generate is what allows these distributors to back the very albums that all of you guys wish you could release...rock and roll groups dont even hustle half as hard as hip hop acts do..

rock groups come out every 3 years or so...go on tour once in a blue moon...and get paid DOUGH...rap acts come out EVERY 8 months sometimes...tour FOREVER...Make the labels MILLIONS and get paid pennies and yet they still keep doing it..
i dont want a pat on the back...but watch your fuckin mouth cuz you disrespecting the hand that feeds you and god knows what you would do if the labels couldnt eat off us no more in rap music.

Plain and simple it wouldnt be no more big name rock groups all over the place...

and heres a quick reality check the plantation owners were in the same situation as the industry is with black folk...once we broke our shackles and set loose the only thing they could do was make it legal...otherwise it would have eventually been another Haiti up here...i wish it was sometimes...show motherfuckas we wont take shit no more....

Hence we started our own business and left the scraps where they belong in the fuckin garbage
and slowly over time we takin this bitch OVER
SO
and eventually it WILL be our channels on tv that have the opportunity to hire you or portray you in a positive light..so in the meantime dont be a bitch about what we been through..people tend not to forget when theyve been downplayed by someone and we wouldnt want that to spill over into business the way it did with white america and slavery

Heres a quick add on though..

you ever think that the reason why blacks are last hired first fired is because of slavery??? Maybe its simple embitterment...

we had the choice of leaving the plantations behind once we were emancipated...and so most of us left by choice...but we turned our backs on the southern whites because of it...maybe they felt that hmmm well if the blacks wont work for me anymore i wont let him work at all...that'll show him...this obviously made the plantations FAIL thus bankrupting ALOT of white business men...the plantation owners may have diversifiied their interests in other companies or businesses WHICH IS HISTORICALLY PROVEN...and survived but not FORGOT that WE fucked them over by wanting to be FREE...over time those people (plantation bosses) had children and their children had children...its far from impossible that this didnt trickle down through the generations

and this is part of the machinery that Black people face currently

Illumination
CEO, Founder
Mt Olympus Records
Man,you remind me of all the black muslims I met in the pen. Everything is a scam,perpetrated by the blue eyed devils.
The problem with ass-holes like you is that you are so caught up
in playing the victom,you dont even realize that you perpetuating
racism.From what you have written here it looks like you would prefer supremacy to equality.
 
illacov:
why didn't bill cosby, oprah, et al. start their own TV channel? if nbc doesn't want to play ball, start your own. FOX has only been around for like 20 years. UPN and WB have only been around for like 10 years. if what you say is true, then they dropped the ball.

showing re-runs of the cosby show, a different world, fat albert, and the oprah winfrey show would have me and the wife watching.

sheppardb:
didn't Illacov already mention that he's hispanic and not black.

slavery was real. racism is real. not to say that negative attitudes and stereotypes can't be overcome, but jumping a hurdle takes effort and not everyone can jump. i can.

it amazing to me when white people tell black people that the effects of slavery and racism aren't that bad. how do you know? when have you every been denied something that you deserve?
 
Re: Damn and to think this dude actually made points about me before

illacov said:
Bill Cosby(multi millionaire), Oprah Winfrey (Billionaire), Michael Jordan (Multi millionaire), Magic Johnson (multi millioinaire) and many other Black celebrities and business people, try to buy NBC or at least have partial ownership of it

They wouldnt sell to them and they came to the table with BIG BIG BIG money and NBC just said no and found a way not to sell to them.



Well I was unaware that they ever tried to buy any part of NBC, but I guaranty there was more to it than that.


NBC is owed by GE. If you know who GE is then you know that anything that has to do with Oprah is no going to go down. She might be a Billionaire, but she isn't that rich. Do you have any idea hpw much NBC is worth. I would bank on it being somewhere in the $70-100 billion range. Oprah has 1 billion. And she isn't going to give all of it.

Beside, why would GE sell something to people with a political agenda. Oprah is a black womanist Nazi.


NBC, ABC, CBS are nowhere near as "white" as some may thing. Look at all the TV show. Every show on television today has a minority character and a homo. WHY? Because stupid "oppressed" fucks shout racist every other minute. Plus there is another reason........are you ready for this?


Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, and all other minority groups, especially the gays have a strong hold on the entertainment industry. You know how many gay producers there are in Hollywood? A SHIT LOAD! And who is more open to liberalism and "equality" than the gays. No one. That is why NBC and the others have so many PC shows on the TV. That and people are not as racist and homophoic as you might think. Though I do think the gay agenda is being pushed way to fucking hard on everyone.
 
crosstudio said:
it amazing to me when white people tell black people that the effects of slavery and racism aren't that bad. how do you know? when have you every been denied something that you deserve?


You don't know me! So fuck off. You ain't a slave. You don't even know what slavery is. You never lived it. You might be black but the world is wide open for anything you want to do. Look at Colin Powell. There is no excuse in the world why the black man is being "held down". ...other than some want to believe it so much it becomes a self-fullfilling prophacy.

Every single race has been oppressed in history. You have no excuse.


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Colin Powell - Military
Michael Jordan and 90% of the NBA - Sports
Oprah - Business


There are no excuses. The black man has completely fair shot in all aspects of life.
 
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crosstudio said:
how do you know? when have you every been denied something that you deserve?

Same questions to you Cross or anyone else for that matter. And give some factual examples.

I think the 10,000 blacks in elected offices around the country and the CEOs and people in position of power at the following link would severely disagree with you.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/blackpower/0,15274,,00.html
 
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crosstudio said:
it amazing to me when white people tell black people that the effects of slavery and racism aren't that bad. how do you know? when have you every been denied something that you deserve?
I have been denied many things that I felt I deserved,just like
every other human on this planet.GET OVER IT!cause shit aint always gonna go yer way.
Refresh my memory Cross,but didnt you move back home with mom because you are building a home?Yo massa mus be mighty
genrus ta gib you an yos dat land ta buill yo place on.Or could it
be that you are more fortunate than some,black and white?
Times is hard !
 
Outlaws said:

Colin Powell - Military
Michael Jordan and 90% of the NBA - Sports

So are you saying that the BLACKMAN has a choice between playing basketball or joining the military? Why does that sound so familiar?:confused:
 
BEATMAKERS said:
So are you saying that the BLACKMAN has a choice between playing basketball or joining the military? Why does that sound so familiar?:confused:


Shut up and live with it.


Besides...You left out being a fat black woman...who happens to be a BILLIONAIRE!


That is why you get no sympathy. You try to turn everything around. What are you? Deaf? You only hear what you want? Thats why you are a bum trying to hock some shitty ass computer beats you didn't even make. You just pushed buttons.
 
FUCK MAN

u's guys are fuked, anyone that tries to rationalise slavery is wrong and any point that is trying to be made is then made insignificant.

anyone thats tryina say that slavery is worse then the jewish holocaust is dumb too......like it fukin matters u cant make something as big as that seem insignificant.

saying all this, do any of you guys know which race was the lost the second most amount of lives due to hitler?, the serbs, 1/3 of our population was slaughtered and another 1/3 fled the country!!

wats my point - it aint about race - its about the rich and the poor, people in power and those underneath

but this argument proves how racist alot of you guys are (even the black people)

and outlaws ur a fukin fool.....colin powel....the dude is a goofer for bush - a coke head dumb fuk him and his dad together couldn't come up with a half a clue - oprah winfrey - jordon ur naming fukin entertainers and thats the biggest problem, black people dont earn there own money.....they are employees who get paid.....if there was no nba jordon would be a bum, if oprah never got hired for a tv show she'ld be a bum and until black people are given the same oportunity as whites and jewish people in big business then it is unequal.

as for the isralies getting sucide bombed on the regular... a) lets remeber who's country that actually is and b) a country that has the world 3rd biggest military should not be whining, plaestinians own rocks the isralies on the other hand have nukes....the same nukes that iraq are not alowed to own and anyone other country that israel america and britain dont think should.

the biggest problem in the world is that as much as everyone tries to denie most aliances are made through racial or religious divides - not only in world politics but big business and small day to day living
 
Outlaws said:

Besides...You left out being a fat black woman...who happens to be a BILLIONAIRE!

actually she is not fat that must be your distorted image of her or is that black women in general. My questions were concerning the black MAN. which is why she was omitted. They were only questions? no need to get hostile unless thats your frame of thinking. But thats between you and your god.
 
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ^^^^^^^^Please!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Judge said:
anyone thats tryina say that slavery is worse then the jewish holocaust is dumb too......like it fukin matters u cant make something as big as that seem insignificant.
Agreed.
Judge said:
saying all this, do any of you guys know which race was the lost the second most amount of lives due to hitler?, the serbs, 1/3 of our population was slaughtered and another 1/3 fled the country!!.
I didn't bring up the Holocaust, I was trying to show how it was pointless to compare the two. Plenty of people in this world have been oppressed and persecuted. This isn't a fucking competition of who got it worse. But if it was, the Jewish people would win hands down.
Judge said:
wats my point - it aint about race - its about the rich and the poor, people in power and those underneath

but this argument proves how racist alot of you guys are (even the black people)!!.
Any facts on this? You can think I'm a racist, that's just fine with me.
Judge said:
and outlaws ur a fukin fool.....colin powel....the dude is a goofer for bush - a coke head dumb fuk him and his dad together couldn't come up with a half a clue - oprah winfrey - jordon ur naming fukin entertainers and thats the biggest problem, black people dont earn there own money.....they are employees who get paid.....if there was no nba jordon would be a bum, if oprah never got hired for a tv show she'ld be a bum and until black people are given the same oportunity as whites and jewish people in big business then it is unequal.).
Explain how there are 10,000 of them in public office and explain the list of the executives I posted up there. If black people don't have the same opportunities as whites how in the hell are they running Fortune 500 companies? FYI, Fortune 500 are the 500 largest businesses in the states. Take a look at that link.
Judge said:
as for the isralies getting sucide bombed on the regular... a) lets remeber who's country that actually is and b) a country that has the world 3rd biggest military should not be whining, plaestinians own rocks the isralies on the other hand have nukes....the same nukes that iraq are not alowed to own and anyone other country that israel america and britain dont think should. .
A. How does that make a difference?
B. Our country has the largest, most advanced military in the world and even we are powerless to suicide bombers. You must have missed the whole 9/11 incident.
Judge said:
the biggest problem in the world is that as much as everyone tries to denie most aliances are made through racial or religious divides - not only in world politics but big business and small day to day living
Why is that a problem?

I'm only taking issue with this thread because everyone is just throwing up opinions and showing their biases. I would just like to see some FACTS from that side of the discussion.

I figure if the situation of blacks in this country is so bad it should be easy to bring one example. I'm not trying to argue, just bring clarity to the matter.
 
Outlaws said:
Bla bla bla......


This isn't a hundred years ago and no one alive today had ANYTHING to do with the past. So don't act like we should have done something.


And don't try justifing one wrong with another.

If you don't like the US or its history then GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY. And don't give me this free speech bullshit because you are only alloted free speech because of America. America is the SOLE reason the world does not speak German. I am pround of my past and I am proud of my countries past. Sure there were mistakes All countries have mistakes. Ours was no larger than that of any other country.

Why is it americans believe that they were the only reason that WW2 ended with an ally win?? Read a book and realize that it was a single mistake in Russia that cost the germans dearly. One that they never regrouped from.

Interesting points in here but this dude strikes me as someone who is pretending to know history...
 
Stray411 i never said it was indentered servitude i said it was similar because at the end you get your freedom...which wasn't the case with European slavery if you didn't have the dollars...how could you have the dollars if you didn't get paid?

i never said what happened in the ancient world was right, but when it happened it was out of necessity not sheer laziness like european slavery

gosh could you white guys please school me some more on how it feels to be a black man in america...:rolleyes:
 
Posted by stray411I'm only taking issue with this thread because everyone is just throwing up opinions and showing their biases. I would just like to see some FACTS from that side of the discussion.

The tricky thing about proving what some of what's being said is that it's not like a bank robbery, you know, once the bank's robbed, it's robbed. No ifs ands or buts, it's history, it's done, case closed. With (allegations of) racism, more often than not, things are not so cut & dry, particularly when the country we live in has "outlawed" such behavior & it's generally frowned upon *in public.*

It's never been documented that when I ride up next to people in my car, sometimes they suddenly lock their car doors. Nor has it been "documented" that even today when I go into certain stores I got some fool sales clerk stuck so deep up my ass I can feel their eyes blinking in my belly. It's also never been documented that at job interviews I sometimes get the most incredulous looks & comments ("YOU really did that?"). Last year, I inquired about a job & the HR bitch must've asked me 6-7 times was I "aware" that their company has a strict drug-testing policy, "including random testing up to 4 times a year." Finally, I told her that I heard her the first time she drove up, that English really was my first language, and if she'd like I could repeat what she said to me verbatim in 3 other languages ("That won't be necessary, Mr. Harris, thank you"). Needless to say, I kept my resume & walked out the door. Still, that shit is real. People have driven past me (while I was walking, while driving, and even while standing in front of my own store) and yelled epithets at me. Sometimes, when I meet (white) people, they try to talk & act how they think I'm gonna (or should) talk & act. I've been blown off by cabbies, harassed by the cops for being in the "wrong" neighborhoods, driving "too-nice" of a car, and even fucking the "wrong" woman (yeah, a cop actually DID make a comment about this - Native American, at that). I've lived in neighborhoods where many of its' residents had a SERIOUS problem with (people who look like) me, and it could only have been due to race. We were strangers, all they knew about me was my peoples could afford a house there & the same kinda of cars they drove. Oh yeah, & my pops was chief of staff at the hospital many of them worked at & all of them went for treatment. Still, we got mailboxes smashed, cars vandalized, slurs spray-painted on the driveway, and our house skipped over on halloween. I was taunted on school buses, threatened in school, and even chased by an angry daddy who said "no nigger is good enough for my (his) daughter." :rolleyes: Being black, and thusly genetically inclined to be an excellent athelete, I hopped four fences before his eyes could even focus on where I was.:rolleyes:

I could go on. Many of us have these same stories to tell. Funny thing is, when you grow up in an environment where people are often times pre-judging you based on anything, particularly something you can't hide or change, you become acutely aware of these situations. As far as proven/documented "FACTS," well that's a horse of a different color. I can't exactly report to the police that the lady in 7eleven dusted in the same spot for 4 minutes as I chose between grape or peach Nehi to go with my salt & vinegar chips. I can't report that the car salesman at a local dealership had the nerve to ask my then fiancee, "are you guys REALLY here to buy a car, or are you just wishful thinking? If you just wanna look, then you should look somewhere else." Maybe he didn't like our clothes or something, but most of the people I know who've got loot DON'T wear ugly-assed suits from The Men's Wearhouse, or Dockers, hush puppies, and JCPenney ties - like that salesdick did. And no, that doesn't mean they're entertainers, drug dealers, pimps, hoes, or athletes. I COULD'VE reported two dudes talking (racist) shit & 1 dude pulling his blade on me at a bar not long ago. I squelched that shit with them with the quickfast (suffice it to say one can find A LOT of empowerment standing up to two yokels in a yokel bar in a yokel town with yokel cops), probably perpetuating the rumor that black folks are some kind of physical "super" fighting specimen at best, and at worst, just plain "crazy." I'm not "super" anything, except super fed-up. Most times & situations, there's nobody to "report" shit to. And if so, to what avail? We don't have any "Race Police," and if our country's role as World Police is any indication of how my situation would be handled, I'd prefer most of the time to take my chances on my own.

Of the things that are reported, how often is serious action, if any, taken? And Stray, don't you think that during the 50s & 60s there was a lot of racial drama in America? It's even in your history books, but only because it was an overt, legal-national issue. I'll bet that actual police reports of racist-fueled crimes against people are slim-to-none. And, i'll bet that of those filed, 99% were, uh, "handled appropriately."

Were it not for DNA testing, there'd STILL be an additional 117 or so Black men on death row for crimes THEY DID NOT COMMIT. In many cases, these men weren't even in the vicinity when the crime occured, but legally lynched, anyway. Many of the men & women who wrongly put those men behind bars are still active politicians, judges, mothers, grandfathers, aunts, uncles, teachers, union reps, pilots, doctors, and lawyers today. Anytime there's a sketch of a "black male" suspect on TV, I turn my head to look, if only to make sure it doesn't look just like me, like so many do. Tall, black male, shaved head, goatee or beard, deep voice, gray hooded sweatshirt, and black baseball cap. Suspect last seen bobbing his head as he cruised down the street with his system on crunk (ruining any chances of him becoming an engineer with a truly critical ear), and cherry root in his mouth. Suspect reported to be armed & dangerous as eyewitnesses say he kept muttering something about being "all about the BEATS, man." We believe, based on that report, that the suspect may be trained in the martial arts or some other hand-to-hand combative techniques. If you see this man, do not approach, do not try to apprehend, call 911 immediately. I've got some interesting litigation goings-on right now. It's Federal, it's race-related, and in this case, the judge had long ago developed a reputation for treating minorities far differently than those of his ethnicity in his courtroom. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on (since I gotta have "proof" to make my allegations legit, otherwise I'm making unsubstantiated claims & therefore I'm full of shit). I don't know that my actions will make an immediate difference in the world, but I chose this particular battle because somebody had to, and it may as well be me, and intend to live my words through & through. At least it'll be on-the-record for the next person who gets hanged in his courtroom. And no, I didn't get fired from a job, refused service at Denny's, or harrassed by 5-0 (in this case)...

The shit spewed by people on BBSs & websites clearly illustrates that these problems exist (and no, I don't think any race is exempt from commiting these atrocities). Even in jest, some think it's ok to say really stupid shit. You want more proof? Check the Anti-Defamation League or Southern Poverty Law Center Websites (some good work there, but some questionable hiring practices there, too, as late as 1994). You can peep "white pride" groups," "kkk," etc. online, too. Check the amount of MUSIC being created with anti-everything-unless-it's-just-like-me sentiments in mind.

I figure if the situation of blacks in this country is so bad it should be easy to bring one example. I'm not trying to argue, just bring clarity to the matter.

There are several high profile cases durrently in litigation, both between individuals and individuals & companies/corporations. Latest I heard of is with Abercrombie & Fitch - last week. Denny's is currently trying to settle yet another case out-of-court, Cracker Barrel is still reeling from the effects of its' well-publicized losing efforts as defendant, and not long ago, Starbucks (unsuccessfully) tried to hide the fact that in its' "marketing & outreach" plan they chose not to advertise on urban radio because the demographic they were trying to reach wasn't "at" those types of stations & they didn't want to attract 'that kind of" clientele. Any business that dosen't want the money either of my parents makes is fucking stupid because they got loot nowadays. I don't, but they do, and they listen to a different urban station than I would. In the 90s, Shell settled a HUGE case brought against them by an upper-tier black executive who, despite a wall full of awards of recognition and such (many granted by Shell), this guy was consistently passed over for the promotion that would've made him head of his division - even his white colleagues testified that "something was out-of-whack" as dude was by far the most experienced, qualified, and battle-tested for the job.

Smaller, but equally important shit, like my case, rarely makes it to the news, win, lose, or draw.

diendolo
 
::::::Flo, I did not read your post before I wrote this::::

^^^^^(Arrows are to Teacher's post)
My argument with you, has nothing to do with "how it feels to be a black man in America". I admit, I don't have any idea about that. I am disputing your recollection of historical events. And yes, you are in severe need of a history lesson.

I’m playing Devil’s advocate here. There are many valid points to be made for that side of the argument and plenty I agree with. You could have mentioned profiling by police officers, the condition of present day migrant workers, the residual impact of Jim Crow laws….shit even a simple socioeconomic breakdown would have sufficed.

Now, I don’t know “how it feels to be a black man in America”, but it seems I know more about the situation of the race, past and present, than most who posted here. The only exception being Flo Dolo. And I would wager Spin could have dropped some serious knowledge as well to school some of you.

I don’t know “how it feels to be a black man in America”, but I do know how it feels to be a Caucasian trying to be a rapper in America. Things may have changed now that Eminem is around, but I was doing it before he came on the scene. I was discriminated on and laughed at. All it did was make the successes even sweeter. Didn’t entitle me to shit though……didn’t need it to.

Alright I’m done now. It’s too weird for me to type “white” and “black” in reference to people. We’re all just people IMHO.

This job gives me way too much free time.

Peace.
 
I think the 10,000 blacks in elected offices around the country and the CEOs and people in position of power at the following link would severely disagree with you.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/blac...,15274,,00.html

I'd have to disagree. I'll bet all 10,000 of those people would agree. You can ask my (old) congressman. I did early last year, and "off-the-record," he gave me an earful. He's black, too, by the way...

Hell, some of these people on this list have already "spoken out" about racism in (corporate) America. Just 'cause you're black & succesful doesn't mean the cage has been opened, more than likely, it means the cage isn't steel bars, but "glass cubes" instead.

1 Stanley O'Neal COO Merrill Lynch
2 Ken Chenault CEO American Express
3 Richard Parsons CEO AOL Time Warner
4 Franklin Raines CEO Fannie Mae
5 Thomas Jones CEO of Global Investments, Private Banking, and Asset Management Citigroup
6 Bruce Gordon President of Retail Markets Verizon
7 Adebayo Ogunlesi Head of Investment Banking Credit Suisse First Boston
8 Calvin Darden SVP, U.S. Operations UPS
9 Vernon Jordan Senior Managing Director Lazard LLC
10 Oprah Winfrey Chairman and CEO Harpo Inc.
11 Lloyd Trotter President and CEO, GE Industrial Systems General Electric
12 John Thompson CEO Symantec
13 William Lewis Head of Banking Morgan Stanley
14 Ray Wilkins Group President, Marketing and Sales SBC Communications
15 Alfred Zollar GM, Lotus Software IBM
16 Eula Adams SEVP First Data Corp.
17 Arnold Donald CEO Merisant
18 Myrtle Potter COO Genentech
19 Rod Adkins GM, Pervasive Computing IBM
20 Brenda Gaines President Diners Club North America
21 Ron Williams President Aetna
22 Earl Graves Founder and Publisher Black Enterprise
23 Frank Clark President ComEd
24 Paula Sneed President of E-Commerce and Marketing Kraft
25 Robert Johnson Founder and CEO BET
26 Virgis Colbert EVP Miller Brewing
27 Pamela Thomas-Graham President and CEO CNBC
28 Ursula Burns SVP Xerox
29 Lawrence Jackson SVP for Supply Operations Safeway
30 Erroll Davis Jr. Chairman & CEO Alliant Energy
31 Al Edmonds President of Government Information Solutions Electronic Data Systems
32 Bradley Sheares President of U.S. Human Health Merck
33 Earvin "Magic" Johnson CEO Johnson Development Corp.
34 Cathy Hughes Chairman and Founder Radio One
35 Lana Corbi CEO Hallmark Channel
36 Marc Belton SVP General Mills
37 Brian Anderson CFO Baxter International
38 Christopher Williams Founder and CEO Williams Capital Group
39 Jacqueline Woods VP of Global Pricing and Licensing Oracle
40 Calvin Hudson EVP Hartford Financial Group
41 Russell Simmons Chairman and CEO Rush Communications
42 Bertram Scott President TIAA-CREF Life Insurance
43 Charles Tribbett Managing Director Russell Reynolds
44 Tony Brown VP of Global Purchasing Ford
45 Kim Crawford VP and GM of Networking Dell Computer
46 David Turner Senior VP, Sales and Marketing Gateway
47 Roger Gibson VP United Cargo
48 Carla Harris Head of Equity Private Placement Morgan Stanley
49 Keith Williamson President of Capital Services Pitney Bowes
50 Cecil Pickett President Schering-Plough Research Institute
From the July 22, 2002 Issue

respectfully,

diendolo
 
Who ever said Oprah is just an "entertainer," and not a business woman, needs to take another look.
 
DEEP 1 FELLAS

damn,i love this site.it seems to me that i can get better conversation(something to make you think)than i can with some people that i can actually see and touch!
 
oh yeah,I'm also a 1/2 black,1/2 puerto rican(100% nigga rican)that's newly married to a white chick...and yes i llooooooovvveeeee my black sistas but i got it bad for my wife..she just happens to be white.That's all good with me though.yeah ,i'm off the street and whatever but i just fell for her,so what if she's white....trust me when she shits .....it stinks!


just thought i'd throw that in cause i read earlier in the thread about russell simmons marrying a white girl....who's really asian anyway.




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I just want to point out, I am not getting angry about this. If anyone else is, please let me know. It is not my intention to offend anyone, this is just an interesting debate for me.

Alright, so I’m back from researching all this.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=412&scid=6#race
You make a lot of valid points. The one about Death Row inmates isn’t one though. There have only been a total of 111 exonerations, including 9 this year. Of those, 52 were black, 45 white, 12 Hispanic, 1 Native and 1 other. I don’t where the info you have came from.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2003/03/31/daily20.html
I couldn’t find any info on the Starbucks incident. Oddly enough, I found this. I wonder if the case you’re talking about had anything to do with the other party in this scenario. Either way, the way you outlined it sounds like an issue of socioeconomics, not racism. There are plenty of other races populating urban areas. My parents too.

http://www.afjustice.com/
Here’s the Abercrombie issue. That’s a valid point.

http://instruction.bus.wisc.edu/obdemo/suplmnts/dennysgbu.htm
Here’s the Denny’s issues. Definitely another valid point.

http://www.themilitant.com/1997/612/612_19.html
Here’s the Texaco/Shell situation. Another good one here. The company is straight racist.

Some of your first paragraph I did not agree with. I don’t know you or what you look like, but I would wager that since you’re a DJ into hip-hop culture you probably dress in hip-hop fashions. Rap is the voice of hip-hop and it talks about crime, violence and drugs. If you dress in hip-hop fashions (regardless of race) you are associated with this.

You think people don’t roll up windows and lock doors when a group of 16 – 19 year old wanna be thugs with hats on backwards, baggy clothes and Spice 1 blaring through 12s roll up next to them? I’ll tell you from first hand experience they do. Whether they be Caucasian, Asian, Indian, Hispanic, it doesn’t matter.

As far as the employment issue, maybe you look like you smoke weed. Maybe you slouched in your chair, maybe you were acting in an unprofessional manner. I don’t really know, but allow for those maybe’s, don’t make everything a racial issue (I’m not implying that you do). These examples you gave may have been racially fueled, but maybe not. If they were, they are inexcusable, but I could understand how that would be hard to prove (didn’t think about that before). Good point.

Profiling is a real problem, no doubt about it. But I think a person who looked like Colin Powel or Fonsworth Bentley would have less problems with it than say, DMX or Ja Rule or Eminem. It is in part racially motivated, but definitely exacerbated by a person’s appearance.

You brought up hate groups, the scum of the earth in my opinion. These people’s views do not echo that of an entire race or nation though. Peep this link:

http://www.amren.com/rap.htm

It is full of anti-white remarks. As you said, there are no “Race Police” and that works against everyone. Even though all these albums most likely passed through the hands of whites before hitting store shelves, they were still released. Reverse the roles in the situation and tell me that even one of those albums would have made it out of the studio.

I am not trying to justify anything, just trying to illustrate that racism happens to all sorts of people in all sorts of ways. Regardless of who/what/where/why/how/when racism is always wrong.

Lastly, I don’t understand your point about the politicians and executives I mentioned. It looks like you’re saying these people won’t be satisfied until they have total control, but I’m sure that’s not what you meant. Clarification?

Peace

(damn that was long)
 
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