Roel
That SMART guy.
Re: Re: Yes thats true
Let me tell you one thing. If you haven't heard any records that blow you away, you should stay away from the popular music market. Popular music is based on a marketing engine, based on marketing strategies, and the whole mess...
But there's a WHOLE WORLD of professionals doing about their thing. I know labels that bring out LOADS of records that only freaks listen too. The musicians on these records are professionals that have studied years to just be able to play that. They know the sound of their instruments, just as the composers that wrote that music. Their hearing is trained day in day out. Think they won't be able to find out a good engineer?
Then, the next point. I'm studying music at the moment. I'm an electronics engineer, I can make alot more money in informatics as in the music bizz. ALL the kids at school practice HOURS a day, and just a few of them will end up being famous enough to make a living just playing concerts and recording. The same goes for engineers. The guys that get lucky and can live because they have their name made are just a minority. The rest has to work their asses, doing the best they can or they'll loose their job to the next guy.
Studios are about money. They have to make sure they survive just as any other business. The guys working IN those studios have to deliver good work, or another guy will come in and take over.
Now, what's the difference between homereccers? Well, the musicians I know from school are practicing hours each day, with a decend schedule. They can outplay ANY unschooled musician I know. I can hear you saying that you know this trained classical guy that ain't worth shit playing blues/pop/... blahblah. That's because the trained dude IS NOT A BLUES/POP/... PLAYER. Why? Because this guy isn't all about money, this guy's passion is playing what he likes to play, and that's what he's good at. If he wanted to play blues, he'd be just as passionate about that, and deliver a mighty fine job at it too.
Professionals spend ALL their time on their job. Homereccers few hours a week. That's a MAJOR difference, and you'll hear that.
I'm a homereccer. I got quite some livemixing experience/engineering knowledge up to the point that a PA-company offered to hire me. I deliver a better job recording demo's than the local budget studio, from what I hear. My friends take me into a rather big studio because they trust me on their mixes. Well, I know a kid in the bizz. 2 Years ago he did one mix at a show I mixed the other bands; my mix was better. Last year, we met again at another gig. My band sounded ok. His band was the BEST mix I heard the whole frigging year.
What's the difference between that guy and me? That he had a rack with a 20 000 $ voicechannel in it? That doesn't make his mix. The guy has experience. And ALOT of it.
And after the show, I congratulated him with his mix. And he told me a few tricks he used, and what gear was in his rack.
As for looking down... Think I enjoy discussing musictheory with kids that hardly know how to read notes? It's not discussion at that point, it me teaching the kid. The same goes for professional engineers. If you can proof that you are very knowledgable, and worth discussing with, they'd be glad to discuss stuff. But teaching is pretty boring at times, I like to teach, but in my spare time, there's more fun stuff to do. I DO have respect for any player, but there's a difference in knowledge, I don't expect them to know everything, but you cannot deny the difference in background, and you can't expect me to act as if you're at the same level.
acorec said:
Let me tell you one thing. If you haven't heard any records that blow you away, you should stay away from the popular music market. Popular music is based on a marketing engine, based on marketing strategies, and the whole mess...
But there's a WHOLE WORLD of professionals doing about their thing. I know labels that bring out LOADS of records that only freaks listen too. The musicians on these records are professionals that have studied years to just be able to play that. They know the sound of their instruments, just as the composers that wrote that music. Their hearing is trained day in day out. Think they won't be able to find out a good engineer?
Then, the next point. I'm studying music at the moment. I'm an electronics engineer, I can make alot more money in informatics as in the music bizz. ALL the kids at school practice HOURS a day, and just a few of them will end up being famous enough to make a living just playing concerts and recording. The same goes for engineers. The guys that get lucky and can live because they have their name made are just a minority. The rest has to work their asses, doing the best they can or they'll loose their job to the next guy.
Studios are about money. They have to make sure they survive just as any other business. The guys working IN those studios have to deliver good work, or another guy will come in and take over.
Now, what's the difference between homereccers? Well, the musicians I know from school are practicing hours each day, with a decend schedule. They can outplay ANY unschooled musician I know. I can hear you saying that you know this trained classical guy that ain't worth shit playing blues/pop/... blahblah. That's because the trained dude IS NOT A BLUES/POP/... PLAYER. Why? Because this guy isn't all about money, this guy's passion is playing what he likes to play, and that's what he's good at. If he wanted to play blues, he'd be just as passionate about that, and deliver a mighty fine job at it too.
Professionals spend ALL their time on their job. Homereccers few hours a week. That's a MAJOR difference, and you'll hear that.
I'm a homereccer. I got quite some livemixing experience/engineering knowledge up to the point that a PA-company offered to hire me. I deliver a better job recording demo's than the local budget studio, from what I hear. My friends take me into a rather big studio because they trust me on their mixes. Well, I know a kid in the bizz. 2 Years ago he did one mix at a show I mixed the other bands; my mix was better. Last year, we met again at another gig. My band sounded ok. His band was the BEST mix I heard the whole frigging year.
What's the difference between that guy and me? That he had a rack with a 20 000 $ voicechannel in it? That doesn't make his mix. The guy has experience. And ALOT of it.
And after the show, I congratulated him with his mix. And he told me a few tricks he used, and what gear was in his rack.
As for looking down... Think I enjoy discussing musictheory with kids that hardly know how to read notes? It's not discussion at that point, it me teaching the kid. The same goes for professional engineers. If you can proof that you are very knowledgable, and worth discussing with, they'd be glad to discuss stuff. But teaching is pretty boring at times, I like to teach, but in my spare time, there's more fun stuff to do. I DO have respect for any player, but there's a difference in knowledge, I don't expect them to know everything, but you cannot deny the difference in background, and you can't expect me to act as if you're at the same level.