What are the pro's and con's about the Vs2000

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Thanks for the offer, but I'll wait until mine drops dead first!

:D
 
sutoman said:
Nice recording. Why didn't you use the on board preamps for the bass drum?
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Honestly, I had rented a Klark Teknik preamp to do bass guitar with. Our drummer wanted to come in and do a couple of re-takes with some things he didn't like, so I pluged the bass drum mic into the preamp and it blew my head off. I made him redo every track! I wasn't disappointed in the bassdrum sound I was getting with the Roland pre, but man, the Klark pre made a big difference. I think the parametric eq on the pre is what actually made the difference. Yes I know, Roland has a prarametric eq......................I don't know, that bass drum was just slammin once I hooked up the Klark pre. Hard to explain.
 
How exactly do you insert or loop?

Im asking because when i place my order im getting the Universal Audio Plugins. Ive heard them sound so good that i know im gonna end up using the La 2A on lead vocals all the time! But i want to use it in the beginning when i record. So wat i plan on doing is testing out the machine and finding that perfect spot (using vurtual tracks of course) and then using it as a default when i record vocals. Now unfortunately for me the manual dosen't elaborate on how to do this. and since thats all i have right now can you guys walk me through it, trust me i read the manual 3 times already. Every time i found something new, but when it came to inserts for some reason the manual didn't walk me through it like all the previous advances in the workstation.

thanks ya'll

p.s.- whoever explains ythis to me i'll definitley give you a shout out on the groups next cd! heck when i get the work station i'll put up a quality test and say it then too!

by the way, i printed out the manual so i can read it without being on the computer, i might rap, but i wasn't a straight A student for nothing (thank God mom made me love reading, now i do!)
 
I had trouble with the effect thing too.... even after reading the manual AND using the machine.

You kind of just got to play with it and get used to it..... OR..... get your self a copy of the "Turbo Start" VS2000 DVD. It's shows you visually how to do it, and de-mystifies all kinds of functions.

If you a US citizen, you should be able to snag one for free.

(Us Canadian guys are supposed to buy them for like, $35, but I finally got one sent to me from a guy from the USA).

Get one from your local Roland dealer, and you will be all set.

(By the way, I also want the LA-2A.... Badly. Maybe for Christmas)



rnb259 said:
Im asking because when i place my order im getting the Universal Audio Plugins. Ive heard them sound so good that i know im gonna end up using the La 2A on lead vocals all the time! But i want to use it in the beginning when i record. So wat i plan on doing is testing out the machine and finding that perfect spot (using vurtual tracks of course) and then using it as a default when i record vocals. Now unfortunately for me the manual dosen't elaborate on how to do this. and since thats all i have right now can you guys walk me through it, trust me i read the manual 3 times already. Every time i found something new, but when it came to inserts for some reason the manual didn't walk me through it like all the previous advances in the workstation.

thanks ya'll

p.s.- whoever explains ythis to me i'll definitley give you a shout out on the groups next cd! heck when i get the work station i'll put up a quality test and say it then too!

by the way, i printed out the manual so i can read it without being on the computer, i might rap, but i wasn't a straight A student for nothing (thank God mom made me love reading, now i do!)
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Wow, of all the luck !

I have always said in this fourm, that if I were rich I would own both the Vs-2000 and the Br1600...

....well, last night my brother bought the very Br1600 that I had traded in. (Still had my songs on it and everything).

What luck ! Now I have access to both great machines !
 
Its Coming next Week!

im excited as hell, i can't wait to put all this knowledge to good use.

Another quick question is is the Vs-2000 good with mastering?! Just wondering, i was going to try my hand at it. And yes i do mean "try", i know im not qualifyedbut i did want to give it a try. i already have a mastering place to go to but i was going to do a A/B comparison when im done with all my tracks compared to the mastering house.
 
It "masters" good enough for my stuff.

At the end you do your stereo track mixdown, and then you can try out several different Mastering Tool Kit Pre-sets.

I usually do "mixdown" which is the Mastering Tool Kit pre-set / patch for general use.

I have had stuff pro mastered, and I have used this.

I personally cannot tell the difference.

It all adds that 5% of icing on the cake that makes a mix sounds finished, ready for CD and ready for radio.
 
I've actually found that as far as the mastering presets go, you really need to listen to see which preset feels right for each song and then possibly tweak the preset. The only problem with this approach is each preset gives you a different level. (Jingle and Brightness seem to be the loudest to my ear); pre-mastering the softest). So you may need to adjust the levels afterward to get a smooth sounding CD.

I have the T-Racks plug-in anbd haven't noticed any bugs. I think it's really good. The dynamics presets IMVHO are better than the onboard mastering presets. I especially like Warm2.

I basically think the machine is pretty great. The VS8F3 card and the plug-ins are FANTASTIC. (I think, they're almost too good; you can get so caught up in production you don't produce anything. This is happening to me right now, but luckily I can blame my wife and kids). Three gripes:

(1) The LCD is tiny; Kinda of forces you to get the monitor, which I haven't bought yet.
(2) Can't bypass the Roland unless you go in through the digital inputs. That's what I'm doing. I track through my Grace 101's (AMAZING PIECE OF GEAR) into my Alesis Masterlink (ALSO AMAZING), and come into the roland through the digital outs of my Masterlink. The setup is more cumbersome than I'd like, but it's alright
(3) The machine is noisy. Compared to my Masterlink it makes quite a hum.
 
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I do second that Philanddon.

It is best to go through and try each patch on your mix, and adjust it to tasts.

Each song you record sounds better or worse, depending on the patch.
 
Yeah,

I do acoustic music and favor the pre-mastering mode cause it seems the least aggressive/least compressed. Problem is, of course, you don't get the hottest levels with that patch.
 
So you are doing like a acoustic and vocal type setup ?

(Like a Bob Dylan type setup ?)

Please give me some details, as some of my artists like this setup and I find this harder to record than a full rock band.

How do you pan ?

What mics ?

Any audio examples ?
 
Matt,

Everything is centered pan. I like a very old-fashioned mono sound. Good acoustic-music mics include the SM57, which I have. As for condenser mics, the AT 4040 is very good, and not too expensive, especially used. You might also look into the Rode NT1A or the Studio Projects B1, which are very inexpensive, especially the B1 (which sounds great with a bit of processing). It'd probably be good to also have one pencil condeser that you can point at the 12th fret of the guitar. For an even fuller sound simultaneously track the DI of the acoustic guitar and mix the sound with the sound of the guitar mic'd. You proabably know this stuff.

If you want some great mics that work well for acoustic music, and everything else look into the AKG 414B XLS and/or the AEA R84. Both are expensive, though.

How do I post an MP3?
 
PHILANDDON said:
Matt,

Everything is centered pan. I like a very old-fashioned mono sound. Good acoustic-music mics include the SM57, which I have. As for condenser mics, the AT 4040 is very good, and not too expensive, especially used. You might also look into the Rode NT1A or the Studio Projects B1, which are very inexpensive, especially the B1 (which sounds great with a bit of processing). It'd probably be good to also have one pencil condeser that you can point at the 12th fret of the guitar. For an even fuller sound simultaneously track the DI of the acoustic guitar and mix the sound with the sound of the guitar mic'd. You proabably know this stuff.

If you want some great mics that work well for acoustic music, and everything else look into the AKG 414B XLS and/or the AEA R84. Both are expensive, though.


How do I post an MP3?
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Thanks for the advice. It's funny you mention the AT 4040 cause I just seen one 20 mintues ago in a music store, and asked the sales guy about it.

I knew some of what you were saying (like DI + mic mix) but I do appreciate the mic suggetions.

How do you post an mp3 ?

You would have to have web space to do that. Alternately, you can get a "myspace" account at www.myspace.com and post your music there.

What would be really great is if you would email an mp3 at mattkw80@mnsi.net

Thanks,

Matt
 
Be Encouraged And Stay Dedicated Fellows

I JUST PURCHASED THE ROLAND VS 2480 DVD AT ZZOUNDS FOR 32OO.00
I AM PRETTY NEW TO USING THE VS SYSTEMS. I HAD A 880 BEFORE I JOINED THE ARMY IN 2OO2 BUT I SOLD IT.

NOW I AM BACK ON TRACK TRYING TO MASTER THIS NEW MACHINE.
I WAS TRYING TO MIDI MY KORG TRITON KEYBOARD TO THE 2480 SO I COULD HAVE MY MUSIC ON THE MACHINE TRACK BY TRACK AND HAVE ULTIMATE MIXING AND EDITING CONTROL.

I CAN NOT GET NO SOUND WHEN I CONNECT IT THROUGH MIDI.
SOMONE TOLD ME I CANT DO IT MIDI, IS THIS TRUE?

WHAT SEQUENCER OR DRUM MACHINE DO YOU HAVE HOOKED UP TO YOUR 2000 AND HOW DO YOU HAVE IT HOOKED UP?

IF ANY ONE COULD HELP ME I WOULD APPRECIATE OR EMAIL ME YOUR TELEPHONE # SO I CAN CALL YOU deon_smalley@yahoo.com deon.smalley@us.army.mil
 
I really want an VS-2000. I love the ROland track recorders but cant seem to find a VS-2000 for my price range. anybody have one for sale or no where i can get one b/w 1000-1200?

Thanks
 
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I see MF is offering the VS2000 for $1499. Their price on the BR1600 is $1395.
 
The money difference makes me not want to get the VS2000 but then you need the monitor and the material off my BR1180 can't be uploaded onto it...Then again would I or do I ever really use it(my old material that is)???


CDN quotes from Axemusic.com
BR1180, 1295$
BR1200, 1295$
BR1600, 1756$
VS 2000, 2479.86$
+ taxes of course...
 
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Most of this has been covered. I have demo'd the VS2000, but my real Roland experience is with VS1824-CD. It is fairly obvious to me that VS2000 is an attempt, a rather successful one, to fix the biggest problems with the VS1824CD, which was discontinued with the introduction of VS2000. Most (not all) of my main complaints with the 1824 have been addressed:

VS1824CD advantages- small and portable
absolutely silent with fan control engaged
rather good FX with both cards installed
excellent faders, a basic good mixer
reliable as hell
24 bit 96khz internal processing
A-D conversion is fairly good- not nearly as bad as some people claim, but could be better.

disadvantages-
preamps suck big time
can only bypass preamps on 2 simultaneous ins, by S/PDIF, optical or coaxial
will export only by proprietary format, or in real time, 2 tracks at a time, by S/PDIF. Will not export as WAV. files.
small screen
Only 8 simultaneous channels in
18 tracks, but only 10 channel faders (pain in the ass for mixing > 12 tracks)


Essentially, VS2000 is the same machine, with the following improvements:

preamps suck slightly less, but still suck
can use big screen with optional card
has a fader for every track
can export WAV. files by USB, still 2 at a time, but avoids complex maneuvers to synch exported tracks.
it is smaller and even more portable than the 1824.

So what does it need to really rock?
Line level inputs on every channel that totally bypass the pres
Optical ADAT input for 8 channels assignable to any track
Firewire output for all 18 tracks simultaneously in WAV. format
18 simultaneous track recording
A-D conversion upgrade by Lucid

Sooner or later, the SIAB/standalone will really come of age
Are you listening, Roland, Korg, Yamaha, Zoom?- Richie
 
It also has the advantage of using some really good plug-ins, like the TC3000 reverb, and the LA2A/1176 levelling amplifiers. Not to mention Autotune and a few others. Plus, you can back up to computer via USB 2.

Tracks 15/16 and 17/18 can't be unpaired;

It is only 44.1 kHz.

Given my method of recording, I don't need multiple digital ins at this point. What I do need is a decent AD converter on my front end that doesn't cost a bomb.
 
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