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jeffree
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Just read a stellar review of the BM5As in some mag this month... was it in SOS?
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Nick The Man
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surprised deepwater has'nt pounced on this thread yet
oh dont you worry he'll be here!!!!
oh dont you worry he'll be here!!!!
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wilkee
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xstatic said:
Bloody hell we agree on something
I have a pair of floorstanding Dynaudio's which I find sound amazing. Still prefer my ATC's but most of the Dynaudio's are about as good as you can get in their respective price catagories.
I had a pair of M1's for about 2 years and the sound that they produce out of two 5" woofers is incredible. Shame about the price!!
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bruuen
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i can't comment on the wharfedales as i've never heard them. but i have auditioned the krk's and the event tr6's which i now own, so obviously favoured them more then the krk's. the bad thing i've heard about wharfedales is they sound to hi-fi and not flat enough. but cant' confirm this. jsut something to look into...it really sucks if you can't hear them b4 purchasing them, thats why i stayed away from wharfedale, i didn't want to put my money into something i couldn't hear b4 buying.
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fernandoesmaron
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you should add the samson rubicon´s to your list.
i own the wharfedales and am not really happy with them.
They had to be more analytical. you should buy the wharfedales only as a second pair of monitors. That´s my opinion now and i want to buy a second more analytical pair of monitors, if i have the money, if not i will sell my wharfedales. and buy ( my favorites are the rubicons until now - same pricerange ) also an sub.
The differences between krk rp and vII are too much. A friend of me use V8 II and did compare them with RP models, was vey limited with his budged but the differences between both series was so much that he buy the v8 II´s with an credit.
He told me today in another forum that he would change them if he could do this with the new genelecs !! He is blown away after a listening test.
Hear the rubicon R6a before you buy anything under 500 and buy later an sub ( the new fostex 0.5 sub could be a opportunity - 250 $ ).
i own the wharfedales and am not really happy with them.
They had to be more analytical. you should buy the wharfedales only as a second pair of monitors. That´s my opinion now and i want to buy a second more analytical pair of monitors, if i have the money, if not i will sell my wharfedales. and buy ( my favorites are the rubicons until now - same pricerange ) also an sub.
The differences between krk rp and vII are too much. A friend of me use V8 II and did compare them with RP models, was vey limited with his budged but the differences between both series was so much that he buy the v8 II´s with an credit.
He told me today in another forum that he would change them if he could do this with the new genelecs !! He is blown away after a listening test.
Hear the rubicon R6a before you buy anything under 500 and buy later an sub ( the new fostex 0.5 sub could be a opportunity - 250 $ ).
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xstatic
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Wilkee, I am glad that there is something we finally agree on
Although, if I remember right, it is really only opne thing that we disagree on
Although, if I remember right, it is really only opne thing that we disagree on
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the tortoise
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I just did an intense direct comparison between the Mackie HR624s, Dynaudio BM5As and Genelec 8030As.
The Genelecs sounded a bit 'flappy' round the bass and generally not very under control, but nice enough. I know them quite well and was just listening as a reference, I didn't want to get them.
The Dynaudios were underwhelming. I was expecting big things from what I had heard, but there was no 'sparkle' for me.
The Mackies easily sounded the best; crisp, deep and detailed. They were my original choice and I thought I was sold.
Then I went to another store and tried out the KRK V6 series II.
Bam.
I can't tell you how good they sounded. So much detail and tightly controlled over the entire spectrum. I was stunned. Up until two weeks ago I had never even heard of KRK! I had to rethink things through.
Just to make sure, I went home and slept on it, then went back the next day and got the guy there to set up the Mackies and the KRKs right next to each other in the booth. I took my singer/songwriter girlfriend along and we sat and did a direct comparison bewteen the two for about an hour and a half with a selection of material both commercial and from our own setups.
The Mackies sounded fuller and warmer at first compared with a pronounced top end on the KRKs, but we quickly heard the subtleties between the two. The Mackies had less detail, were 'muggier' around the low-mid area, and it generally felt like every range was arriving at once, all together, with no clarity or distinction. This may be down to Mackie's obsessive need to boast a 'flat' frequency response, which didn't seem to flatter the sound at all to us.
The KRKs gave us everything; tight, clear, rich bass - clean, crisp highs - astonishing detail for each instrument and a more pronounced, definate stereo image, with the lead vocal being more 'there', in your face.
We tried a number of the monitoring options around the back of the Mackies (pads and passes and whatnot), but nothing gave them the 'zing' of the KRKs. They just sounded muffled and indistinct.
So that was our definite conclusion; the KRK V6 series II monitors are simply awesome. Clear, punchy, detailed, full and they look lush into the bargain. (and I mean bargain. Although it didn't factor in to the test, they're around £100 cheaper. Result!)
I'm sold, and as of tomorrow, so will the pair in the shop!
Peace
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The Genelecs sounded a bit 'flappy' round the bass and generally not very under control, but nice enough. I know them quite well and was just listening as a reference, I didn't want to get them.
The Dynaudios were underwhelming. I was expecting big things from what I had heard, but there was no 'sparkle' for me.
The Mackies easily sounded the best; crisp, deep and detailed. They were my original choice and I thought I was sold.
Then I went to another store and tried out the KRK V6 series II.
Bam.
I can't tell you how good they sounded. So much detail and tightly controlled over the entire spectrum. I was stunned. Up until two weeks ago I had never even heard of KRK! I had to rethink things through.
Just to make sure, I went home and slept on it, then went back the next day and got the guy there to set up the Mackies and the KRKs right next to each other in the booth. I took my singer/songwriter girlfriend along and we sat and did a direct comparison bewteen the two for about an hour and a half with a selection of material both commercial and from our own setups.
The Mackies sounded fuller and warmer at first compared with a pronounced top end on the KRKs, but we quickly heard the subtleties between the two. The Mackies had less detail, were 'muggier' around the low-mid area, and it generally felt like every range was arriving at once, all together, with no clarity or distinction. This may be down to Mackie's obsessive need to boast a 'flat' frequency response, which didn't seem to flatter the sound at all to us.
The KRKs gave us everything; tight, clear, rich bass - clean, crisp highs - astonishing detail for each instrument and a more pronounced, definate stereo image, with the lead vocal being more 'there', in your face.
We tried a number of the monitoring options around the back of the Mackies (pads and passes and whatnot), but nothing gave them the 'zing' of the KRKs. They just sounded muffled and indistinct.
So that was our definite conclusion; the KRK V6 series II monitors are simply awesome. Clear, punchy, detailed, full and they look lush into the bargain. (and I mean bargain. Although it didn't factor in to the test, they're around £100 cheaper. Result!)
I'm sold, and as of tomorrow, so will the pair in the shop!
Peace
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Good review!!
CoolCat
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yeah i liked it too.
damn nice group to test. the V6. & its interesting you mentioned the Dyn's...expectation is soooo high. i'm there, with that. they get so much good press, expectations are very high.
what about the control knobs and eq pads.,..ergonomics?
anything to add?
yeah i liked it too.
damn nice group to test. the V6. & its interesting you mentioned the Dyn's...expectation is soooo high. i'm there, with that. they get so much good press, expectations are very high.
what about the control knobs and eq pads.,..ergonomics?
anything to add?
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xstatic
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The Dynaudio's get good press for a reason. However, we all hear things differently and like different things. If there was one truly incredible speaker, than it would be the only one left on the market
I do know this. I don't reference CD's in my car nearly as often as I did before I got my first set of Dynaudio's. Car reference used to be one of the first things in the mix process to establish a baseline for mix balances and tones. Now it is one of the last things I check, and even then it is just to be reassured. That said, I have always thought that the V6's were pretty decent little monitors. I would actually love to have a set of V88's for in your face non sub/sattelite reference checks. I have also always preffered the 624's over the 824's by a long shot. One big difference I have noticed between the Dynaudio's, the Mackie's, and the KRK's is fatigue. The Mackies really wear you out very fast, the KRK's were certainly better for that. However, the Dynaudio's are far and above both for how long I can listen to them without feeling tweaked. I have also noticed that the Dynaudio's seem a little smoother at varying volumes, whereas the KRK's seemed to really change a lot in tonality as you raised and lowered the volume. The Mackie 624's actually seemed to not change a lot either, but the 824's are pretty bad about that. In the end though all three monitors are still pretty decent choices in my opinion.
It may be important to consider that Dynaudio just released a version of the BM5a that comes in a much smaller cabinet. It seems that a lot of the chain stores have been stocking those ones and I personally have not heard the newer ones (mk2's I believe? ) so I can't really comment on those.
I do know this. I don't reference CD's in my car nearly as often as I did before I got my first set of Dynaudio's. Car reference used to be one of the first things in the mix process to establish a baseline for mix balances and tones. Now it is one of the last things I check, and even then it is just to be reassured. That said, I have always thought that the V6's were pretty decent little monitors. I would actually love to have a set of V88's for in your face non sub/sattelite reference checks. I have also always preffered the 624's over the 824's by a long shot. One big difference I have noticed between the Dynaudio's, the Mackie's, and the KRK's is fatigue. The Mackies really wear you out very fast, the KRK's were certainly better for that. However, the Dynaudio's are far and above both for how long I can listen to them without feeling tweaked. I have also noticed that the Dynaudio's seem a little smoother at varying volumes, whereas the KRK's seemed to really change a lot in tonality as you raised and lowered the volume. The Mackie 624's actually seemed to not change a lot either, but the 824's are pretty bad about that. In the end though all three monitors are still pretty decent choices in my opinion.
It may be important to consider that Dynaudio just released a version of the BM5a that comes in a much smaller cabinet. It seems that a lot of the chain stores have been stocking those ones and I personally have not heard the newer ones (mk2's I believe? ) so I can't really comment on those.
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the tortoise
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I guess one thing that I should add is; these were all very, very good speakers. I gave them an intense test on identicle material I knew well and was getting into the subtleties for the benefit of my own music.
Each speaker, like mikes, have their own unique tone. Each does different things well for different types of music and, most importantly, NONE WERE PERFECT.
Each had something about them that was a slight compromise on quality, but this is due to the price range. Were I to pay £2000+ for a pair or monitors then I'd be looking at a fantastic speaker set with true accurate representation.
As it is, I think that any of them would have been a good investment in the long run. I chose the KRKs because they just felt 'right' for me, with my music - I know I'm going to be happy with what I have because I did the research and found out for myself through using my ears.
Just like buying any pro audio gear, I would recommend anyone to do what I did; choose a budget, research like crazy (reviews, forums, word-of-mouth, industry 'standards'), choose the best contenders, test each in a uniform manner in a controlled environment and finally, trust your instincts.
Make your choice, pay the man, make music, be happy.
Love to all,
the tortoise
Each speaker, like mikes, have their own unique tone. Each does different things well for different types of music and, most importantly, NONE WERE PERFECT.
Each had something about them that was a slight compromise on quality, but this is due to the price range. Were I to pay £2000+ for a pair or monitors then I'd be looking at a fantastic speaker set with true accurate representation.
As it is, I think that any of them would have been a good investment in the long run. I chose the KRKs because they just felt 'right' for me, with my music - I know I'm going to be happy with what I have because I did the research and found out for myself through using my ears.
Just like buying any pro audio gear, I would recommend anyone to do what I did; choose a budget, research like crazy (reviews, forums, word-of-mouth, industry 'standards'), choose the best contenders, test each in a uniform manner in a controlled environment and finally, trust your instincts.
Make your choice, pay the man, make music, be happy.
Love to all,
the tortoise
qb2k5
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How do the Wharfe's 8.2a compare to the Behringer B2031A?
I do rap and R&B music so bass is very important. Could I get a sub-woofer to complement the 8.2as?
But first please answer my first question on the comparison. Thanks.
I do rap and R&B music so bass is very important. Could I get a sub-woofer to complement the 8.2as?
But first please answer my first question on the comparison. Thanks.
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jeffree
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Good review, Tort. Most surprising for me was your take on the Dynaudios. I read a lot of the trade mags, and I can't remember a monitor recently that has received such consistently glowing reviews. The SOS and TapeOp reviews, in particular, had me halfway out the door, checkbook in hand. Good to hear some other views from someone who spent time with all these models.
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TheDewd
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From what I listened to (Dyn BM5 and BM15a, Mackie HR824), the Mackies reproduce the signal in a much flatter/accurate version than the Dynaudios. But the Dyns have smoother highs and rounder mids with tighter bass, so they are easier on the ears. I would certainly go with the Mackies though, cause they are flatter/more accurate, have much betters specs and are better engineered than the Dyns. I wish I could hear the KRK V8, it gets my curiosity a lot. Having heard the RP8 which is good considering the price, I can only think the V8 is really nice. Really Dynaudios to me are like frequency enhanced NS-10Ms. Lots of huge mids with clarity, but NOT really that flat compared to the Mackies.
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xstatic
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Interesting. You are the first person i have ever heard refer to the Mackie's as flat. Every time I have used them it has been pretty dissappointing. They have a huge low mid emphasis, strained highs, and are very fatiguing. Then again, the Dynaudios get consistently good reviews. Shows what i know I guess. The good news is that there are a ton of used Mackie monitors on the market (for a reason) so if you want the Mackies you should be able to get them for pretty cheap. The bad news is that there are not that many used Dynaudio's for sale (once again for a reason).
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TheDewd
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Well, once again, this proves out my point in another thread where I said "people don't like monitors that are too flat". Undoubtely, looking at the specs, the Mackies are flat as shit, whereas the Dynaudios, well, they are colored.xstatic said:
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xstatic
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I have definately come to believe that you just like to say stuff and create conflict or something. Have you ever used any of these? Let your ears tell you what the differences are. The Mackies are FAR from flat sounding. The Dynaudio's aren't ruler flat either. But then, what monitor is? If you want, take a look at the specs. The specs on the Mackie's and the Dynaudio's both look good, but are now where near sounding at all alike.
I have refrained from trying to get into too much of a personal disagreement here and in other of your posts, but the advice that you like to hand is often just wrong or plain old bad. Grow up, accept that other people have opinions, and understand that the world according to TheDewd really only exists in your own mind.
And have fun with your beloved Mackie monitors. You seem to deserve them
I have refrained from trying to get into too much of a personal disagreement here and in other of your posts, but the advice that you like to hand is often just wrong or plain old bad. Grow up, accept that other people have opinions, and understand that the world according to TheDewd really only exists in your own mind.
And have fun with your beloved Mackie monitors. You seem to deserve them
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TheDewd
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Well, if you choose to ignore science/specs and use your own ears, it's your choice. Mackie's specs are REALLY impressive. Of course, when I listened to them the first time, I heard a lot of treble and muddy bass. But this is only because I wasn't used to FLAT.xstatic said:I have definately come to believe that you just like to say stuff and create conflict or something. Have you ever used any of these? Let your ears tell you what the differences are. The Mackies are FAR from flat sounding. The Dynaudio's aren't ruler flat either. But then, what monitor is? If you want, take a look at the specs. The specs on the Mackie's and the Dynaudio's both look good, but are now where near sounding at all alike.
I have refrained from trying to get into too much of a personal disagreement here and in other of your posts, but the advice that you like to hand is often just wrong or plain old bad. Grow up, accept that other people have opinions, and understand that the world according to TheDewd really only exists in your own mind.
And have fun with your beloved Mackie monitors. You seem to deserve them
How do you know what's flat or not?
Your ears are about the WORST measurement device there is...
So I look at the specs of a bunch of gear and listen to this gear to TUNE my ears according to what is actually flat and what is not. The Mackies are flat indeed. No, they are NOT good sounding, but the specs SHOW AND PROVE they are flat. You can't argue with that, or you are lying to yourself.
Just trying to bring a little more science in here...lots of guys seem to use their ears only...which is about the most unscientific thing to do.
rayc
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You Blinded Me with Science,
But I Bacame Well Again!
Sience & quality control are important. Yet even science is based on initial observation, comparison, contrast & opinion - the opinion that established a unit of measure, a scale or range. Human intervention, preference and ego all play a part in that level of science. Selecting a preference by making an informed choice is the aim.
When shopping for sound repro you take a source that you are familiar with & compare, contrast & then select what suits budget & PREFERENCE.
I don't buy off the shelf often without TRYING & making an informed decision. Informed by science often but I end up making a choice on preference.
You say he can't decide if they're flat but YOU can say they aren't good sounding .
I think I hear a rectal trumpet somewhere.
Cheers
rayC
But I Bacame Well Again!
Sience & quality control are important. Yet even science is based on initial observation, comparison, contrast & opinion - the opinion that established a unit of measure, a scale or range. Human intervention, preference and ego all play a part in that level of science. Selecting a preference by making an informed choice is the aim.
When shopping for sound repro you take a source that you are familiar with & compare, contrast & then select what suits budget & PREFERENCE.
I don't buy off the shelf often without TRYING & making an informed decision. Informed by science often but I end up making a choice on preference.
You say he can't decide if they're flat but YOU can say they aren't good sounding .
I think I hear a rectal trumpet somewhere.
Cheers
rayC