Vocals with no pop filter

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I using a Rode NT1-A mic with a ART Tube MP preamp, for record the vocals, and no pop filter, for some reason the nilon pop filter kill the highs and the vocal tone changes and get more mud
what I did was lower the microphone so that my mouth be not aligned with the center but with the top of the capsul
has anyone had a similar problem?

if someone wants to offer me a better mic or preamp for Christmas I will be grateful for life XD
 
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I can't personally say I've experienced a pop filter cause any depletion of highs, the decent ones have the mesh size tuned to facilitate the passage of higher frequencies, whereas the real lows cause the mesh to vibrate thus using up some of the sound energy which causes the pop.
Singing over the mic's pattern will reduce the energy hitting it full face which is fine if you don't have reflected sound coming at it from other angles.
I can probably find you a preamp if you swim here from Portugal and have the entire journey captured on tape, to entertain me on the festive day.

all the best

Tim
 
If I were to go with no pop filter ..... I would turn the microphone upside down and place it above my mouth. ;)
 
Phrasemaker said:
I can probably find you a preamp if you swim here from Portugal and have the entire journey captured on tape, to entertain me on the festive day.
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I'll do you one better: I'll give ya a preamp for free, BUT you must perform the "Gangnam Style" dance (& the singing) with no mistakes, in Times Square (in your skivvies). :D
 
moresound said:
If I were to go with no pop filter ..... I would turn the microphone upside down and place it above my mouth. ;)
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+1. You can exchange the words "pop" and "spit" here if you like. If it's above the breath blast, same effect.
 
DrumRookie said:
I'll do you one better: I'll give ya a preamp for free, BUT you must perform the "Gangnam Style" dance (& the singing) with no mistakes, in Times Square (in your skivvies). :D
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I'll do it!

Been practicing for weeks now. :o
 
moresound said:
If I were to go with no pop filter ..... I would turn the microphone upside down and place it above my mouth. ;)
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Agreed, or off to the side to avoid air blasts. I have never used a pop filter in my entire 40+ years as a recording engineer. Also, microphones don't need to be 2 inches from the singer's mouth!

--Ethan
 
I kind of wonder about this as well sometimes. Some mics (Shure LDC's for example?) have extra screen layers to help with wind noise- are they then compensated for the diff in highs?
Then there's for example a M Jolly's LDC that touts the virtues of a wide open or non-interfering head basket.. Presumably that approach for a mic would need more protection for a given use or placement.. Does that mean it puts you back again to the same set of compromises?
 
mixsit said:
I kind of wonder about this as well sometimes. Some mics (Shure LDC's for example?) have extra screen layers to help with wind noise- are they then compensated for the diff in highs?
Then there's for example a M Jolly's LDC that touts the virtues of a wide open or non-interfering head basket.. Presumably that approach for a mic would need more protection for a given use or placement.. Does that mean it puts you back again to the same set of compromises?
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I have several of Michael Joly's LDC/SDC modded microphones and I usually only worry about spit. :p
 
I always use a pop filter - it's a good way to keep a consistent distance from the mic! I have to wonder why the OP's EQ changed so much when adding a pop filter, though. Sounds like the mic got turned around and he was singing into the wrong side. (Done that :spank: )
 
I will create some samples with and without pop filter and post it here tomorrow, to see if the problem is in my ears or not. but i really think that in my case,the pop filter kill the voice tone and add mud.
 
Carlos Quintas said:
I will create some samples with and without pop filter and post it here tomorrow, to see if the problem is in my ears or not. but i really think that in my case,the pop filter kill the voice tone and add mud.
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What kind of filter are you using?
 
Ethan Winer said:
Also, microphones don't need to be 2 inches from the singer's mouth !
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Very true. By setting the preamp high enough but without hiss and distortion, I can sing or record other singers from 6~10 feet away and get good levels.
 
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the filter have two nillon layers with space between the two layers, is a professional filter not a home made
 
I do not hear an appreciable difference. I have never had a problem with "reduced high's" when using a pop filter.
 
I use pop filters and never had that issue. Personally, I don't want some of these guys slobbering all over my mics! I can lysol the filters. When you introduce the pop filter do you effectively push the distance between the vocal and the mic further away? Maybe this is what is causing your perceived issue? Maybe you need to bring up the attenuation to compensate.
 
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