Vocal Mastering or Mixing

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I Wanna Know the Effects needed by a RAW vocal to make it sound good to the listeners..
 
DJ_Skull said:
Vocal Mastering or Mixing
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Mixing. And tracking for that matter.

"Vocal mastering...?"

Seafroggys said:
Singing lessons
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Word to that. A quality voice (singing quality material) followed by a quality mic that works well with that voice in the context of the mix going into a quality preamp and (etc., etc., etc., yada, yada) followed by whatever effects you need on that track to make it the way you want it to fit into the mix.

You might compress it, you might EQ it (both quite minimally if everything above is covered or more aggressively depending on how you want it to fit), you might add spatial, modulative or time-based effects... It's really up to you.
 
Massive Master said:
Mixing. And tracking for that matter.

"Vocal mastering...?"


Word to that. A quality voice (singing quality material) followed by a quality mic that works well with that voice in the context of the mix going into a quality preamp and (etc., etc., etc., yada, yada) followed by whatever effects you need on that track to make it the way you want it to fit into the mix.

You might compress it, you might EQ it (both quite minimally if everything above is covered or more aggressively depending on how you want it to fit), you might add spatial, modulative or time-based effects... It's really up to you.
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Then go back to square one, and realize you need to perfect the performance, before any 'Effects' are 'needed', to make a 'RAW' vocal sound good. :)

It all comes back to the performance...Always.
 
DJ_Skull said:
I Wanna Know the Effects needed by a RAW vocal to make it sound good to the listeners..
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It would help to be a little more specific with your question. Some genres run a little more 'natural and less effected than others for example.

'good to the listener, might that mean 'expected for a style?
 
I'm gonna have to guess -- Rap.

Not trying to be provocative - Just seems to be the only genre where questions as obscure as this are raised with any regularity.
 
Vocal Mastering....

Massive Master said:
Mixing. And tracking for that matter.

"Vocal mastering...?"


Word to that. A quality voice (singing quality material) followed by a quality mic that works well with that voice in the context of the mix going into a quality preamp and (etc., etc., etc., yada, yada) followed by whatever effects you need on that track to make it the way you want it to fit into the mix.

You might compress it, you might EQ it (both quite minimally if everything above is covered or more aggressively depending on how you want it to fit), you might add spatial, modulative or time-based effects... It's really up to you.
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All that is kinda freeky...All usually mean none....and more to that wtf using effects u dont even know their uses?... -_-"...Let's Just Say I'm use to: using a compresor and EQ Wif a lil bit of delay and Reverb...But after applying all that..I still find the vocals very Dumy...Especially the chorus part....I read an article too...About Natural vocal...doubling...i.e recording the verse or part two times to bring out more presence in the mix..But really did'nt understood..As doing that route the vocal out of it natural sound..Please some one help...Ideas are just mix up in ma head...
 
mixsit said:
It would help to be a little more specific with your question. Some genres run a little more 'natural and less effected than others for example.

'good to the listener, might that mean 'expected for a style?
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Let's say hip hop
 
mixsit said:
Still.. you need to pare this down. You can't go 'i need 2 kook a dinner and mixed up on when to boil' or fry..?
Start with what you know (so others will know what the heck..), and focus on one thing at a time.
Have you tried ths?
For example I googled double tracking vs delay and the very first two things...
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well understand my question first before milking or criticizing it..Eumm i will like to know the effects applied on the vocals of this latest Lil wayne Track: No worries ft details....would really love posting the link here...But I'm not yet allowed to do that
 
Well the singing part has autotune set very hard to get that t-pain effect.
The verse has a delay.
I can almost guarantee eq and compression is being used too.
 
yo man dnt even try to go no further with these guys on getting help

they ant gne do nun but talk bad about yu and eventually it will turn into a race thing and end up in the cave forum

yu wont recieve any help man...try other forums like futureproducers.com or raproyalty.com they are more helpful man

trust me stop while you're ahead
 
Why would you say that
We finally got a specific question and guess what; a specific answer ..in less than an hour no less
 
Why is it whenever I see these posts I can't help but think that our collective chains are being yanked? It must take a lot of effort to type in gangstah.
 
mixsit said:
Why would you say that
We finally got a specific question and guess what; a specific answer ..in less than an hour no less
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Yeah, everyone here gets treated the same as far as I am concerned. Unless they pull the race card themselves, it does not come up.

I work with some 'Hip Hop' genres sometimes. I find that any type of spoken 'rap' type verses, do not usually lend themselves to the double tracking thing. Though, there are times where a bridge seems to need something different. It is all about what the song needs.

Also, doubling a vocal track does not necessarily mean that you use both tracks at the same volume level. Placing one track, at a much lower volume than the main one, can help to define the part. You can also manipulate the second track, with distortion, heavy compression, pitch modulation, etc.. This is where it comes down to what you, as a producer, feel any particular song needs. Hell, that is part of the fun of it all. Experiment, and come up with something original.

Most music genres need some type of transition between sections of a song. What that is, and what is needed, is exactly what the term 'producer' is meant to describe. If you are doing it yourself, experiment, and find what works for you and the song. There is no wrong or right. Experience in finding exactly what works, is not a plugin, or any particular setup. It is the same as writing the tune to begin with. Create/experiment/learn....
 
1jay1111 said:
yo man dnt even try to go no further with these guys on getting help

they ant gne do nun but talk bad about yu and eventually it will turn into a race thing and end up in the cave forum

yu wont recieve any help man...try other forums like futureproducers.com or raproyalty.com they are more helpful man

trust me stop while you're ahead
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Well I'm speechless to such statements: it's obvious that u dnt know me that why you judge me so poorly...anyways let's just say thanks man...
 
jimmys69 said:
Yeah, everyone here gets treated the same as far as I am concerned. Unless they pull the race card themselves, it does not come up.

I work with some 'Hip Hop' genres sometimes. I find that any type of spoken 'rap' type verses, do not usually lend themselves to the double tracking thing. Though, there are times where a bridge seems to need something different. It is all about what the song needs.

Also, doubling a vocal track does not necessarily mean that you use both tracks at the same volume level. Placing one track, at a much lower volume than the main one, can help to define the part. You can also manipulate the second track, with distortion, heavy compression, pitch modulation, etc.. This is where it comes down to what you, as a producer, feel any particular song needs. Hell, that is part of the fun of it all. Experiment, and come up with something original.

Most music genres need some type of transition between sections of a song. What that is, and what is needed, is exactly what the term 'producer' is meant to describe. If you are doing it yourself, experiment, and find what works for you and the song. There is no wrong or right. Experience in finding exactly what works, is not a plugin, or any particular setup. It is the same as writing the tune to begin with. Create/experiment/learn....
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Nice one...thanks Plenty...Is it advisable to pan left and right some of the tracks in vocal doubling???..I usually record 4 vocal tracks...of which I do pan 2 of them then auto tune 1..and keep one as the Main vocal lead to keep it natural sound...
 
1jay1111 said:
yo man dnt even try to go no further with these guys on getting help

they ant gne do nun but talk bad about yu and eventually it will turn into a race thing and end up in the cave forum

yu wont recieve any help man...try other forums like futureproducers.com or raproyalty.com they are more helpful man

trust me stop while you're ahead
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This is what happens when first cousins marry. Frickin' sad.
 
DJ_Skull said:
Is it advisable to pan left and right some of the tracks in vocal doubling???
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Myself - I think it sounds better when you pan all doubled vocal tracks to the same spot. Other people like to pan them to opposite sides. You hear both ways in commercial mixes all the time.

That's a long way of saying, "It's your choice." Try it each way and see which one you like best. Then go with that.
 
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