Virgin To Analog Recording (some1 pop it)

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marathonman said:
well guys i've come to my last question for you guys, 424mkIII or the Tascam 414MKII 4-Track Recorder, this is the only thing i would like to hear good discussion on. WHICH WOULD WORK FOR ME BEST?

How about a nice 1/4" 2 track? Like the Tascam 32? Fatter tracks and faster tape speed than either of the machines you mention. All you have to do is plug in your favourite mic (if it's a dynamic. Mic plus pre or phantom power bix if it's a condensor) and press GO! Then just record two tracks of vocals, dump to the PC and record two more tracks.

If you have some kind of four part harmony thing going on then this might better suit your needs.
 
Okay!

I think the 424mkIII is preferrable to the 414mkII, because the 424mkIII has 4-XLR inputs and BETTER EQ, plus more usable full channel strips, (6). At not much more cost than the 414mkII, (in the USA), the 424mkIII gives you a big boost in features, and by inferrence better hifi capability. The specs also read that way, with the 424mkIII slightly edging out the 414mkII.

The 388 is indeed better than either the 414mkII or 424mkIII, any way you slice it. Being reel-reel 1/4" tape, it will be better than any other cassette based model, period. It also has a way-better mixer, and is a full 8-tracks too, while fitting that classic Portastudio format. 'Nuff said.

(Q: So, does the above post imply that cjacek got a 388 recently?)

As well, I agree with Mark7's example, that for premium standalone capability in 4-tracks, you can hardly do better than the Tascam 34B. It gives you a standalone, plug compatible 4-track capability on reel-reel tape, which will ultimately give you a huge boost in hifi over cassette,... but is less all the fancy mixer-stuff you'd get with a true Portastudio, such as the 424mkIII.
 
Doesn't the 34B have pre amps already? So really all he'd need is something to provide phantom power to his mics. Which you can get fairly cheaply.

I'm curious as to how many vocalists he records simultaneously.
 
Yes,...

the Tascam 34B has [4] mic preamps on 1/4" input jacks, & also [4] standard RCA/line level inputs/outputs,... plus self-contained Mono [4x1] Cue Monitor/headphone amp.

That's why I said it was a self contained 4-track reel/reel like no other,... based on handy set of features that make it useable by itself w/mic, or with a mixer,... your choice.;)

However, it doesn't have all the fancy mixer features of a Portastudio.

The basic matched mixer for the 34B would be the Tascam M-30, M-35 or M-308.;)
 
For the money, I would cast my vote for the 488. I also have an MSR16 that I like a lot and a prota two back in the closet that I recorded an album on in 1989. With the 488 you get a standalone unit and don't have to buy a mixer, cables, etc. Use DBX noise redux and I think that the sound is better than any mid to low priced digital setup. (Dave's $.02) :D
 
That's reasonable thinking.

I'd recommed the 488mkII, specifically, because it gives several nice upgrades to the 488(std). That's especially nice if you're on a tight budget.

If you have a bit more to kick in, there's certainly nothing wrong with the 388 or 34B, FWIW!

So much analog, and so little time!... eh,... MONEY!!! :eek:
 
cjacek said:
As you would like to record vocals (nothing more) then it's pretty much a coin flip between the 2 machines. Pick one which is less expensive and that would be the 414. Note that neither has inserts for your compressor so you'd just run it direct mic - preamp - compressor to the XLR mic input. You'd then, when you have finished recording your vocal, use either the L or R RCA outs to go to your computer's soundcard. Really, the only feauture you'd find beneficial on the 424mkIII is the automatic punch in and punch out with rehearsal. That is if you wish to do a lot of "inserts" to make the vocal "flawless". ;) Now, what I just thought of is that the 424mkIII also has 4 RCA tape outs that you can run into 4 RCA's of your soundcard (if you have that option). That could be beneficial too. But I'm kinda confused .... Do you wish only to do your vocals on one of the tracks or would you take up all 4 ? Sorry to be writing in a chaotic type of manner but I'm just writing as things "come to me". Another thing you may try on the 414mkII is record your vocal on 4 tracks and then dump them to one track (via the L or R RCA outs) but this time ride the faders to come up with one "perfect" take taken from all four. This may take some practice but it's an old recording school type of trick that works good. That way you may not need to spend more on the 424's automatic punch in feature. Seriously, I think you could do pretty much similar things with both machines. Again, it's a coin flip .... Tho I wonder why you don't want to pick up one of those stereo consumer open reel decks ... Can be found locally too and if in good condition will suffice for what you wanna use it for but will sound much better than teh 424 or 414. They run at 7 1/2 ips and have 2x the track width and are arguably much easier to use than the cassette portas for your purposes.

With regards to your last question: Usually open reel tape means that the machine that it is being used with is operating at a much faster speed (tape speed) and/or has wider tracks than a cassette (recorder). This means more space is being given to frequencies and they become more and more defined and truer to life as the speed and track width increase. Generally cassette is Low Fi and open reel is Hi - Fi. In your example, the Tascam 388 open reel will sound more Hi-Fi than your cassette porta because it dedicates TWICE the amount of tape to the source sound but even more so, electronics of the 388 are HUGELY superior to the 414 or 424 making the sound even better.

~Daniel


are you saying i cant use my rnc compressor in tracking the vocals?

and thanks everyone else for helping, although now i'm getting confused about what to get, because people are saying a 488 or a 388 would be better than the 414 or the 424, but then i cant buy a NEW 488 or 388 because they're not being manufactured meaning its hard to get one that will actually work, its a risk ... what do you guys think bout that

and everyone asked how many vocalists i'll be recording, just one vocalist.

lookin forward to the next replies...

thnx guys
 
A Reel Person said:
(Q: So, does the above post imply that cjacek got a 388 recently?)

YES!!! :eek: :D :D :D :D

I didn't think I'd get the 388 for lack of space etc .... but ......... ;) More on that (and PICTS too!) soon! I was just getting all of that together. Look for my FULL report in the next few days .....

~Daniel
 
guys also, if you can link me up for any place i can buy these bad boys 388 488 specifically, i mean ebay i've seen but if anyone know anyone selling one or whatever...

thnx :D
 
marathonman said:
are you saying i cant use my rnc compressor in tracking the vocals?

and thanks everyone else for helping, although now i'm getting confused about what to get, because people are saying a 488 or a 388 would be better than the 414 or the 424, but then i cant buy a NEW 488 or 388 because they're not being manufactured meaning its hard to get one that will actually work, its a risk ... what do you guys think bout that

and everyone asked how many vocalists i'll be recording, just one vocalist.

lookin forward to the next replies...

thnx guys

You stated that you only wish to record vocals on that tape machine but I'm kinda confused about that ..... Can you at least explain from point A - B what is it that you wish to do ? That way it'll be easier to recommend somethin' .... :confused: Will you sing to music ? Will there be any other tracks on the tape machine you wish to use or just bare vocals ? Please explain ...

With regards to your RNC ..... Yes, you will be able to use you compressor but it'll depend on the machine how you'll hook it up and whether you'll need an external mic preamp or not. You really need to tell us a lot more about what is it that you wish to do ........

Daniel
 
marathonman said:
guys also, if you can link me up for any place i can buy these bad boys 388 488 specifically, i mean ebay i've seen but if anyone know anyone selling one or whatever...

thnx :D

Where about are you located ? I'm sure there's a local paper that you can get a 388 through if you're patient enough ...

Daniel
 
cjacek said:
You stated that you only wish to record vocals on that tape machine but I'm kinda confused about that ..... Can you at least explain from point A - B what is it that you wish to do ? That way it'll be easier to recommend somethin' .... :confused: Will you sing to music ? Will there be any other tracks on the tape machine you wish to use or just bare vocals ? Please explain ...

With regards to your RNC ..... Yes, you will be able to use you compressor but it'll depend on the machine how you'll hook it up and whether you'll need an external mic preamp or not. You really need to tell us a lot more about what is it that you wish to do ........

Daniel

sorry if i didnt make myself clear in all my posts but i'll try again to make it clear

i record underground hiphop(az,tribe called quest etc) type of music. i only want a tape machine to record vocals, my vocals only,

i have an RNC compressor, sonar 3 producer edition, maudio 410 firewire soundcard/preamp and an at4040 mic.

thats all i have right now, i would like to record vocals by tracking with a compressor to keep the peaks in control with the tape machine and then dump it all into sonar 3 to mix it.

is that clear? :confused:
 
marathonman said:
seattle, washington

If you can't find a 388, in checked good condition in your area, then there's California. A good number of 388's have been recently spotted there, via eBay. It WOULD be worth a drive to do a local pickup.

~Daniel
 
marathonman said:
sorry if i didnt make myself clear in all my posts but i'll try again to make it clear

i record underground hiphop(az,tribe called quest etc) type of music. i only want a tape machine to record vocals, my vocals only,

i have an RNC compressor, sonar 3 producer edition, maudio 410 firewire soundcard/preamp and an at4040 mic.

thats all i have right now, i would like to record vocals by tracking with a compressor to keep the peaks in control with the tape machine and then dump it all into sonar 3 to mix it.

is that clear? :confused:

That's exactly what I got from your last posts but thought there must be more to this ... but I guess there isn't .... A couple of options would be AT4040 mic into Maudio (XLR front with phantom "on") then out from the Maudio (via 1/4" line outputs) into the RNC 1/4" IN and then OUT from the RNC into the mic/line inputs of the 414mkII. When you're done recording, go from RCA outs (either L or R) of the 414mkII into Maudio Line Ins (you'll need a cable with RCA's on one end and 1/4" on the other). Then go into your soundcard via Firewire port. That's the quickest and hassle free way to do it. I personally think this is not the best way to record but it'll fit in with what you wish to do.

Daniel
 
Again. How many tracks of vocals do you typically record?

If you only record one or two tracks get the Tascam 32. It'll give you a much fatter, more detailed sound than any multi-multi-track.
 
Heck, since you're dumping to Sonar anyway you can just go back and record more tracks after you've dumped the first two. Unless you have four heads You'll have to track all the vocals one at a time anyway.
 
Mark7 said:
Again. How many tracks of vocals do you typically record?

If you only record one or two tracks get the Tascam 32. It'll give you a much fatter, more detailed sound than any multi-multi-track.

In much agreement but I kinda get the vibe that he feels better buying what's available still new and in the present from any music store and thus the 414 recommendation.

Daniel
 
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