Using a single JBL EON612 for both kick bass and vocals.

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Any idea what's going to happen? Distortion? Muddled effect? I have no idea.

I made recordings with a Zoom H5 (I don't record direct) and realized the bass drum was too quiet. I'm planning to mic it.

Does the fact that the drum and mic are at substantially different frequencies help?
 
You mean you want to use it as a recording monitor? Well, i have 2 similar units and they are rotten for studio monitors. They dont distort, and are loud but they have a very peaky and bumpy frequency response that changes as volume changes. Best advice is to simply try it with a pice of music you know well, and see if you can adjust to the kind of sound they have. As a stop gap, in my video studio, i used two similar plastic boxes and hated the,.
 
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You mean you want to use it as a recording monitor? Well, i have 2 similar units and they are rotten for studio monitors. They dont distort, and are loud but they have a very peaky and bumpy frequency response that changes as volume changes. Best advice is to simply try it with a pice of music you know well, and see if you can adjust to the kind of sound they have. As a stop gap, in my video studio, i used two similar plastic boxes and hated the,.
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The singer's mic goes into the EON612. The mic'd kick drum also goes into the EON. So I'm asking what effect the drum will have on the vocals, as both are using the EON simultaneously. Ignore my mentioning the recording.
 
You could try changing the placement of the h5. When I used to record rehearsals with a stereo mic into a cassette deck, I would place it about 6 inches in front of the kick drum, about snare height. I ended up with a pretty good mix of the drums, guitars, bass and the vocals that were coming through the pa.

What you are thinking of doing could work, but the kick won't sound good without eq, and could overpower the vocals sometimes.
 
Ah so it’s PA? Well to be honest kick drums really sound poor through the majority of plastic box speaker designs as they don’t go quite low enough. They’re usually ok for vocals but excess kick will colour the vocals if they are lower, as in deeper make voices but you might get away with female. If you are after the click of the bass rather than the thud it could work, but I’ve never heard anyone use one of these for vocals and miked up kick? What I’m confused about is as you have them, plugging them up would be first call and you’d already know if that sound works for your application? What are you actually doing?
 
Our recording is fine, but upon playback I noticed the kick was very quiet. I'm just trying to make it heard.

I prefer not to re-locate the recording mic. If I move the recording mic to the kick drum, or elsewhere, who knows how disruptive that would be. Because all the instruments are perfectly balanced right now. Except for the kick. Mic'ing the drum was my first, and only idea. I don't own any more equipment, which I might have used solely for the drum. So the EON612 ends up doing double duty. Wait a minute why don't I just buy a used speaker at Guitar Center or ask my bassist to bring a second amp/speaker? Then the drum could be mic'd by itself.

Re-stating my point - I'm concerned the output quality of vocals and kick coming from the same speaker may sound funny. Luckily the vocalist is female. The problem is I have very little time to get things right. Recording is tomorrow. The band cant stay all day. Hence why I'm trying to figure this out ahead of time.
 
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Have the drummer hit the kick harder.

Give micing the kick and running it through the vocal speaker a shot. You might not need much kick in there to make it more apparent in the mix. It might not be volume you are lacking, just definition. Getting a bit if slap out of the speaker might make it work.
 
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Have the drummer hit the kick harder.

Give micing the kick and running it through the vocal speaker a shot. You might not need much kick in there to make it more apparent in the mix. It might not be volume you are lacking, just definition. Getting a bit if slap out of the speaker might make it work.
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I think you're probably right. The volume at the speaker for the kick doesn't have to turned up as loud as the vocalist mic to make an improvement.

But, if I were to buy a spkr to be dedicated to the kick what would it be, by general description?

Also should I be concerned I'm not using a kick mic? Mine is Shure SM58 .
 
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The 58 will be fine if you just need definition.

The speaker would just need to be as full range as possible.

How happy you are with the results will depend a lot on the genre and your expectations of the final product.
 
So yesterday's recording went fine. We didn't mic the bass drum after all. Our regular drummer couldn't make it and the sub's kick was much louder. Thanx for the help and good luck to you all.
 
I have to wonder how 'king loud the rest of the band are if the kick drum is too quiet!
Usually everybody else struggles to be heard above the drummer.

Dave.
 
pmarc said:
I think you're probably right. The volume at the speaker for the kick doesn't have to turned up as loud as the vocalist mic to make an improvement.

But, if I were to buy a spkr to be dedicated to the kick what would it be, by general description?

Also should I be concerned I'm not using a kick mic? Mine is Shure SM58 .
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Not the best Choice - but the SM58 will work - but why put a kick in the mix?
 
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